Pein versus Itachi

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Itachi loses high diff he doesn't have enough stamina to beat all 6

 

[ARGUS]

Pein wins this

 

[V h o]

Pein wins low-med difficulty.

 

[Rιver]

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The panel is clearly pointing at Sasuke's Rinnegan, as clear indication that only Rinnegan can do the job. People who have been affected by the Genjutsu are reflected with the Rinnegan. The burden of proof is on you to prove that Sharingan is immune; which in this case, you can't.

Sound Genjutsu has different workings than visual Genjutsu. The illusion is within the vibration waves of sound, which responds to the ear drum and is inside the Genjutsu. Besides...



Not really. [

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The shared vision between the bodies can see through Itachi's movements. Not to mention Asura path can overwhelm him.​

Of course, I am not denying that. But the Samsāra can only fight off another Rinnegan, hence why he was the only man for the job. Mangekyō and Sharingan are irrelevant, as they are separate Dōjutsu.

So...? Both control brains chakra system. That is the only thing that matters here, principle is more important in this case than technique execution.

That is in only due sound Genjutsu's not being avoidable, is 'invisible' and covers a great range. Tsukuyomi is far superior in terms of strength.

As in canon, that can be countered with Kage Bunshin (though, Itachi can use less than Naruto). Asura also shouldn't be faster than B, so Sharingan precognition does the trick.​

 

[Akasuna]

Of course, I am not denying that. But the Samsāra can only fight off another Rinnegan, hence why he was the only man for the job. Mangekyō and Sharingan are irrelevant, as they are separate Dōjutsu.

So...? Both control brains chakra system. That is the only thing that matters here, principle is more important in this case than technique execution.

That is in only due sound Genjutsu's not being avoidable, is 'invisible' and covers a great range. Tsukuyomi is far superior in terms of strength.

As in canon, that can be countered with Kage Bunshin (though, Itachi can use less than Naruto). Asura also shouldn't be faster than B, so Sharingan precognition does the trick.​

Isn't Tsukuyomi just a way of inflicting mental torture on the enemy? Wouldn't be all that useful.

 

[ARGUS]

Isn't Tsukuyomi just a way of inflicting mental torture on the enemy? Wouldn't be all that useful.

on top of the fact that the peins have chakra rods and shared vision, meaning that they are all linked and can be easily break each other out genjutsu similar to how bijuuus do it,
the only difference is that the bodies are dead and wont feel any pein at all,
and itachi would be left stationary whilst executing the genjutsu thereby leaving the other bodies to attack him,
genjutsu is useless against someone like pein

 

[Rιver]

Isn't Tsukuyomi just a way of inflicting mental torture on the enemy? Wouldn't be all that useful.

I was thinking the same thing, Ephemeral or regular Sharingan: Genjutsu is a better choice.​

on top of the fact that the peins have chakra rods and shared vision, meaning that they are all linked and can be easily break each other out genjutsu similar to how bijuuus do it,
the only difference is that the bodies are dead and wont feel any pein at all,
and itachi would be left stationary whilst executing the genjutsu thereby leaving the other bodies to attack him,
genjutsu is useless against someone like pein

I wonder why they didn't think of the same thing when paralyzed by Jiraiya's Genjutsu...

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[Bronze]

Of course, I am not denying that. But the Samsāra can only fight off another Rinnegan, hence why he was the only man for the job. Mangekyō and Sharingan are irrelevant, as they are separate Dōjutsu.
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Mangekyou and Sharingan are devolved version of the Rinnegan. A hypothesis made by Orochimaru and Kabuto, later confirmed by Madara's EMS evolving to the Rinnegan with the Senju DNA. Seen when Indra inherited a weak form of his father's eye. Black Zetsu already made it clear that Sasuke's eye (Rinnegan) is what's resisting the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Sasuke hypothesized is his Rinnegan is what's can counter the IT. I don't know why you're bringing Sharingan and Mangekyou.​

So...? Both control brains chakra system. That is the only thing that matters here, principle is more important in this case than technique execution.

Yes, but the workings of Jutsu is different; and that is what's matters. Sound effects through vibration of sound. Tsukuyomi is visual, and Rinnegan being visual eye, and canonically confirmed to be immune to the Infinite Tsukuyomi, a stronger Genjutsu is a counter.​

That is in only due sound Genjutsu's not being avoidable, is 'invisible' and covers a great range. Tsukuyomi is far superior in terms of strength.

Rinnegan canonically countered a stronger Tsukuyomi. Both in range, strength and versatility.​

As in canon, that can be countered with Kage Bunshin (though, Itachi can use less than Naruto). Asura also shouldn't be faster than B, so Sharingan precognition does the trick.

''Kage Bunshin? It didn't help Jiraiya, and Itachi can't execute any of his strongest Jutsu through them, so it's irrelevant. Asura blitzed through Sennin mode user. He even dodged Kakashi, who has shown to be on par with Itachi in Taijutsu.​

 

[ARGUS]

I wonder why they didn't think of the same thing when paralyzed by Jiraiya's Genjutsu...

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Because frog song, is a sound genjutsu not visual,
and it has a large range, along with being able to effectively counter their shared vision,
which sharingan genjutsu cannot do,

they are both completely different types of genjutsu,​

 

[Rufus ShinRa]

Pain neg diff for many reasons Itachi has no counters againts asura path preta path deva path

 

[Rιver]

Because frog song, is a sound genjutsu not visual,
and it has a large range, along with being able to effectively counter their shared vision,
which sharingan genjutsu cannot do,

they are both completely different types of genjutsu,[/INDENT]

That has nothing to do with breaking out Genjutsu. What you said was that Rinnegan cannot be affected by Genjutsu due, although they have been already affected before.​

Mangekyou and Sharingan are devolved version of the Rinnegan. A hypothesis made by Orochimaru and Kabuto, later confirmed by Madara's EMS evolving to the Rinnegan with the Senju DNA. Seen when Indra inherited a weak form of his father's eye. Black Zetsu already made it clear that Sasuke's eye (Rinnegan) is what's resisting the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Sasuke hypothesized is his Rinnegan is what's can counter the IT. I don't know why you're bringing Sharingan and Mangekyou.​

Nagato is not an Uchiha, Senju, original carrier of Rinnegan nor has the Samsāra eye that Sasuke wields. On top of that, Rinnegan has only been able to fight off another Rinnegan [

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]. Nothing said about Mangekyō or Sharingan. Whether the Genjutsu Rinnegan wields is the strongest or weakest is irrelevant. It's like saying because Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi, he can break off Magen: Gama Rinshō with ease. Mangekyō and Sharingan are not only irrelevant in this case, but also their ability to mutate to a new Dōjutsu is irrelevant, especially when Nagato wields 'fake' Rinnegan, has never awakened it, has no properties that of Sharingan and also can't use all it's jutsu's. Rinnegan only has advantage over Rinnegan only, as stated in the manga.​

Yes, but the workings of Jutsu is different; and that is what's matters. Sound effects through vibration of sound. Tsukuyomi is visual, and Rinnegan being visual eye, and canonically confirmed to be immune to the Infinite Tsukuyomi, a stronger Genjutsu is a counter.​

Rinnegan canonically countered a stronger Tsukuyomi. Both in range, strength and versatility.​

That's false. Tsukuyomi is a much stronger Genjutsu than Magen: Gama Rinshō. Kakashi with Sharingan stood no match for Mangekyō, while Sasuke only had advantage due to his blood heritage and maturity of his Sharingan. A>B>C logic is irrelevant, since Genjutsu works in terms of mostly skill, not with power itself.

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''Kage Bunshin? It didn't help Jiraiya, and Itachi can't execute any of his strongest Jutsu through them, so it's irrelevant. Asura blitzed through Sennin mode user. He even dodged Kakashi, who has shown to be on par with Itachi in Taijutsu.​

We've already seen that Itachi has knowledge on the shared vision, and he countered it by attacking the blind spots [

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]. This would only replicate.

Jiraiya's SM is imperfect, while Naruto from a considerable distance took it out with utmost ease [

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]. Itachi is much faster than SM Naruto, while kept up with B and KCM Naruto, who alone have much better speed feats than anyone from Pein.

Kakashi isn't as fast as Itachi, keeping up with 30% Itachi is ludicrous, especially when Itachi was alone and Kakashi had a whole team backing him up. 30% =/= 100%.​

 

[Beans2]

Asura spam forces Itachi to maintain a ribcage, slowly draining him of chakra. Linked vision and rinnegan bypasses genjutsu. If amaterasu is used on one of the paths, it gets absorbed off the body by preta path and revived by naraka path. Bansho tenin draws him in, preta absorbs susanoo, and asura missiles finish him off. Pain mid diff

 

[Blackdeath667]

Asura spam forces Itachi to maintain a ribcage, slowly draining him of chakra. Linked vision and rinnegan bypasses genjutsu. If amaterasu is used on one of the paths, it gets absorbed off the body by preta path and revived by naraka path. Bansho tenin draws him in, preta absorbs susanoo, and asura missiles finish him off. Pain mid diff

what if naraka path gets hit by it lol remember itachi has full knowledge, the only paths that can survive amatarasu is deva, preta paths

 

[Strict]

No counter for Totsuka. lel.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

No counter for Totsuka. lel.

You guys are a total joke .

 

[naruto7861]

Pain wins both.

KA and Tsukuyomi don't work on the Rinnegan or even the Pain bodies. The Rinnegan canonically is immune to the Infinite Tsukuyomi, the strongest Genjutsu. Tsukuyomi is useless here. Not to mention that Pain bodies are Chakra puppets with dead functioning brain; so that throws KA out of the window. Amatersu is countered by either Preta path, or Deva path. Pain overwhelms Itachi with their formation and surprise attacks.​

where in the manga does it say the renniegan isn't affected by Tsukuyomi let alone KA I want actual quote saying renniegan isn't affected by Tsukuyomi

 

[Demonic.]

Smh. Animal Path can solo here.

Itachi has no summons to cancel all of the Animal Paths summons. The summons exhaust Itachi alone.

Pain Mid Diff.

 

[wael reda]

not at all. minato is stupid and madara is manipulative but not smart in the way itachi is.

kakashi is smart but tactically is not on the level of sasuke and shikamaru/shikaku and itachi. these four are just too intelligent, especially itachi

in the manga ,naruto said that kakashi is smarter than shikamaru and kakashi himseldf said that he is as smart as shikamaru(he acts so humple)lol
gai said in the war that kakashi is the best in analyse
where it was said that sasuke is smarter than kakashi or as smart as shikamaru?

 

[Bronze]

where in the manga does it say the renniegan isn't affected by Tsukuyomi let alone KA I want actual quote saying renniegan isn't affected by Tsukuyomi

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[Braiyan]

Manga knowledge for Nagato on Itachi's abilities is pretty much the same thing as full knowledge.

With that said, Pain wins handily. Preta Path makes Itachi's entire offensive ninjutsu arsenal useless, whereas summons such as the Cerberus, Rhino, Ox and Panda are good meatshields for Itachi's shurikens/kunais. Engaging with the Paths in taijutsu would be suicide for Itachi due to chakra rods, genjutsu is countered easily by the Paths simply not looking in Itachi's eyes, or attacking him with another Path while he tries to put the other under genjutsu, and manga knowledge pretty much guarantees that Nagato will never let Itachi get a clear shot of Naraka Path during the match, especially not without having Preta Path nearby.

Pain forces Itachi to waste his bad stamina by keeping Susano'o up by bombarding him with missiles, chakra cannons and summons until Deva Path's powers return. Then he takes care of Itachi with a boss toad level Shinra Tensei/Chibaku Tensei.