Pein can't be effected by Genjutsu.

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icedonkey

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In many versus threads the Six Paths of Pain seems to have a supposed weakness.....
genjutsu,
many people seem to say that visual genjutsu should take down all paths at once including Nagato.

I have come to a conclusion that visual Genjutsu simply does not effect the six paths of Pain in that way.

This is what we know about genjutsu


What you basically need to know about genjutsu is that through "affecting" the senses of your target (visual, sound or any human sense) you can mess with the targets chakra flow to the brain.

This gives your target false emotions or senses according to the genjutsu.

As can be seen here, Jiraiya traps 3 of the 6 paths in a sound genjutsu

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It is possible to trap the paths in a genjutsu.

So if all the paths eyes are linked shouldn't that effect all of the paths at once including Nagato if you trap even one path in a visual genjutsu?

well...no.

The paths all share one mind (Nagato) as well .....right?

and since all genjutsu types effect the brain .
That would mean that when Jiraiya got the 3 paths in a genjutsu that should have affected all the paths including Nagato (all the paths are one mind)

So the fact that their eyes are all linked makes no difference as their minds are all linked.

In other words it doesn't matter what form of genjutsu you use (visual, sound, touch) they all ultimately effect the brain.

and since Jiraiya got 3 of the 6 paths in a genjutsu and only affected 3 of the paths as appose to all the paths including Nagato), visual genjutsu wont make any differance....in fact its worse as you can only effect 1 path at a time.

Im not sure I explained good enough
but if you got what Im trying to say that should clear that up.


Another thing to note: Nagato should be able to stop the chakra flow and restart it again If a path(s) are caught in a genjutsu. So the only way to get the six paths of pein (and Nagato) into a unbreakable genjutsu is to target Nagato himself.

and even then we don't know Nagato's resistance to genjutsu.
 
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Nice plus rep for effort and detail nice job man.
 

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the mind of the paths are linked with Nagato's mind. That works like a double edge sword. So when the paths get affected by genjutsu, Nagato gets affected as well. After Jiraiya killed the 3paths, the genjutsu effect naturally stopped and Nagato could use his outer path to revive every paths.

Another possible explanation would be- The sound genjutsu actually reached Nagato since the real Nagato was hiding somewhere close.
 

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the mind of the paths are linked with Nagato's mind. That works like a double edge sword. So when the paths get affected by genjutsu, Nagato gets affected as well. After Jiraiya killed the 3paths, the genjutsu effect naturally stopped and Nagato could use his outer path to revive every paths.

Another possible explanation would be- The sound genjutsu actually reached Nagato since the real Nagato was hiding somewhere close.

ahh, but you see it didn't affect Nagato. If it had affected Nagato then J-man would be alive today, My theory is that Genjutsu only effects the paths, not the mind they share (however that works)
 

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In many versus threads the Six Paths of Pain seems to have a supposed weakness.....
genjutsu,
many people seem to say that visual genjutsu should take down all paths at once including Nagato.

I have come to a conclusion that visual Genjutsu simply does not effect the six paths of Pain in that way.

This is what we know about genjutsu


What you basically need to know about genjutsu is that through "affecting" the senses of your target (visual, sound or any human sense) you can mess with the targets chakra flow to the brain.

This gives your target false emotions or senses according to the genjutsu.

As can be seen here, Jiraiya traps 3 of the 6 paths in a sound genjutsu

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It is possible to trap the paths in a genjutsu.

So if all the paths eyes are linked shouldn't that effect all of the paths at once including Nagato if you trap even one path in a visual genjutsu?

well...no.

The paths all share one mind (Nagato) as well .....right?

and since all genjutsu types effect the brain .
That would mean that when Jiraiya got the 3 paths in a genjutsu that should have affected all the paths including Nagato (all the paths are one mind)

So the fact that their eyes are all linked makes no difference as their minds are all linked.

In other words it doesn't matter what form of genjutsu you use (visual, sound, touch) they all ultimately effect the brain.

and since Jiraiya got 3 of the 6 paths in a genjutsu and only affected 3 of the paths9as appose to all the paths including Nagato), visual genjutsu wont make any differance....in fact its worse as you can only effect 1 path at a time.

Im not sure I explained good enough
but if you got what Im trying to say that should clear that up.


Another thing to note: Nagato should be able to stop the chakra flow and restart it again If a path(s) are caught in a genjutsu. So the only way to get the six paths of pein (and Nagato) into a unbreakable genjutsu is to target Nagato himself.

and even then we don't know Nagato's resistance to genjutsu.

:T_T: Finally! I'm not the only on who understands this. +rep
 

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Hmm I agree to an extent. Maybe Nagato did get trapped in genjutsu but didn't last long. :/
 

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Well i mean so pein can get caught right? I dunno i just would have went with a thread name like "Genjutsu doesn't work very well on Pein."

You know what i mean?
 

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Hmm I agree to an extent. Maybe Nagato did get trapped in genjutsu but didn't last long. :/

well if thats the case then he has a ridiculous resistance to genjutsu, frog song is extremely powerful

Well i mean so pein can get caught right? I dunno i just would have went with a thread name like "Genjutsu doesn't work very well on Pein."

You know what i mean?

yeah I suppose its a misleading title....but thats what brings em in ;)
 

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wow nice theory +rep
so if nagato fought jiraiya alone without using 6 bodies,would the genjutsu affect him?
 
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Hmm nice theory rep+
I agree xd

U obviously didn't read you jus wanted to be 1st

To the thread maker pay more attention the only reason all six weren't affected was they weren't present he summon them as he was being put under the jutsu three paths never got to hear the song other than dat it is pretty logical to say negato is vulnerable to genjutsu because he is jiraiya's student jiraiya himself stinks at genjutsu so he can't really teach his student in that department

Because all share the same field of vision if one path is trapped then all present paths are trapped as well
 

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wow nice theory +rep
so if nagato fought jiraiya alone with no 6 bodies,would the genjutsu affect him?

Well probably, we don't know how good Nagato is at resisting genjtsu

U obviously didn't read you jus wanted to be 1st

To the thread maker pay more attention the only reason all six weren't affected was they weren't present he summon them as he was being put under the jutsu three paths never got to hear the song other than dat it is pretty logical to say negato is vulnerable to genjutsu because he is jiraiya's student jiraiya himself stinks at genjutsu so he can't really teach his student in that department

Because all share the same field of vision if one path is trapped then all present paths are trapped as well

What im saying is that wont work because, all genjutsu affects the mind.
Visual genjutsu is just casting a genjutsu by what your target sees, which then allows you to mess with their mind
it doesn't matter how you do it all genjutsu ultimately messes with the mind.
and since Jiraiya's genjutsu only affected 3 paths that means that visual genjutsu will only affect the number of paths you trap in that genjutsu.

Do you see what Im saying?
 

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Well probably, we don't know how good Nagato is at resisting genjtsu



What im saying is that wont work because, all genjutsu affects the mind.
Visual genjutsu is just casting a genjutsu by what your target sees, which then allows you to mess with their mind
it doesn't matter how you do it all genjutsu ultimately messes with the mind.
and since Jiraiya's genjutsu only affected 3 paths that means that visual genjutsu will only affect the number of paths you trap in that genjutsu.

Do you see what Im saying?

Yes I do thats exactly y I said all that are present..
 

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+rep

Agree with this, glad someone figured it out
 

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paim is gone and nagato is dead...
i think they were efected by genjutsu...
 

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paim is gone and nagato is dead...
i think they were efected by genjutsu...

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no but really read the thread and you'll see what Im talking about.

but it is ironic Nagato got trapped in a eternal genjutus of drunken dreams and I wrote this thread.
 
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