Peak Madara compared to a theoretical Naruto-Sasuke fusion

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Opinions on both scenario's. And Ashura's Avatar+PS in the second scenario.

The feats of DC and durability of Ashura's avatar and Rikudou PS haven't shown to come close to that of the Juubi's.

Destructive Capacity - A TBB shot from V2 Juubi had this much output power, [

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] an attack that reached the atmosphere. And even a greater AOE when the Juubi is adapting its Chakra, the range of its TBB has even increased dramatically. [

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] It was easily crossing from more than 1km island to the battlefield, when Minato teleported. Neither Ashura's avatar and Rikudou had shown it can put on this much raw power.

Durability - Do I have to say much on here? Juubi was tanking its V2 TBB with minor damage. [

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] The same TBB that can reach the atmosphere. And it was shown to tank its V3 TBB, the same one that can be scaled to be highest DC attack on a map. [

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] Although it took major damage, but its own TBB couldn't put it down.

Add to the fact Madara's PS, enhanced by the Rikudou's Chakra and Juubi's Chakra (clearly stronger than Sasuke's) being covered all over the Juubi's body, in the fashion that Kurama was covered by, you have triple those feats the Juubi have shown, which were already higher than Naruto's and Sasuke's.

The duo aren't beating that.

 

[Priscilla negs]

Wood style is melted by any FRS variant. Juubi dama needs the tree to be used. Cut down via Perfect Susano'o or melted by Yoton: Rasenshuriken.

PS+Juubi fusion isn't breaking through a Bijuu Susano'o-Ashura Avatar Fusion once they blast Indra's Arrow+Rasenshuriken enhanced by Nature energy.

juubi enchanced wood style covered the entire naruto world, which is earth shown in the last. theres gonna be enough wood style to go around.

indra's arrow plus 2 BBRS clash only caused an explosion as big as vote. juubi bombs shown more power. so a juubi susano will tank it like nothing. limbo swap seal the fusion can't win. madara stomps.

 

[XxTayxX]

Limbo is enough to take them down.

I done read it all lmaoo

 

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The feats of DC and durability of Ashura's avatar and Rikudou PS haven't shown to come close to that of the Juubi's.

Destructive Capacity - A TBB shot from V2 Juubi had this much output power, [

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] an attack that reached the atmosphere. And even a greater AOE when the Juubi is adapting its Chakra, the range of its TBB has even increased dramatically. [

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] It was easily crossing from more than 1km island to the battlefield, when Minato teleported. Neither Ashura's avatar and Rikudou had shown it can put on this much raw power.

Durability - Do I have to say much on here? Juubi was tanking its V2 TBB with minor damage. [

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] The same TBB that can reach the atmosphere. And it was shown to tank its V3 TBB, the same one that can be scaled to be highest DC attack on a map. [

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] Although it took major damage, but its own TBB couldn't put it down.

Add to the fact Madara's PS, enhanced by the Rikudou's Chakra and Juubi's Chakra (clearly stronger than Sasuke's) being covered all over the Juubi's body, in the fashion that Kurama was covered by, you have triple those feats the Juubi have shown, which were already higher than Naruto's and Sasuke's.

The duo aren't beating that.

How is destructive capacity even a threat here? The fusion here (even individually as well) are faster and more mobile than Madara ever has been. In order to use the Juubi dama he needs to use the tree and then have it charge up. Going straight to PS and using Amenotejikara to blitz down the tree evidently ends the threat of Juubi dama's ever even being used. I agree he's more destructive, but it isn't ever working.

Durability isn't the same as regeneration. Although it seems we're debating about the fusion so that's nigh at this point. Juubi dama isn't anywhere near as strong or as expansive as the explosion caused by Indra's Arrow and the Rasenshuriken. This fusion can use both of those together and fire them right at Madara. An attack that was felt from countries away and completely enveloped the atmosphere would obliterate anything, including the fusion of PS+Juubi. Madara's PS would be gone, but the Juubi would regenerate. The fusion moves in for the seal and ends it, or uses Bijuu Rasenshuriken to resonate with the Bijuu within Madara and pull them out.

Rikudou's chakra and Juubi's chakra are the exact same thing, so you guys really have to stop using that argument. The Juubi grants Gudoudama in the same manner Rikudou's chakra does. Both Hamura and Rikudou had them because of the Kaguya which is directly from the Juubi. So the boost is the same. In this case, the fusion not only has a Perfect Susano'o the same as Sasuke's at VOTE2 but it has Naruto's Senjutsu boosting it, which is the Yang of Hagoromo, which is the same as the Senjutsu Madara has boosting his, albeit the databook stated Naruto's is superior, so your point here is moot.

 

[Soloist]

So basically naruto and sasuke fusion is madara

 

[Priscilla negs]

How is destructive capacity even a threat here? The fusion here (even individually as well) are faster and more mobile than Madara ever has been. In order to use the Juubi dama he needs to use the tree and then have it charge up. Going straight to PS and using Amenotejikara to blitz down the tree evidently ends the threat of Juubi dama's ever even being used. I agree he's more destructive, but it isn't ever working.

Durability isn't the same as regeneration. Although it seems we're debating about the fusion so that's nigh at this point. Juubi dama isn't anywhere near as strong or as expansive as the explosion caused by Indra's Arrow and the Rasenshuriken. This fusion can use both of those together and fire them right at Madara. An attack that was felt from countries away and completely enveloped the atmosphere would obliterate anything, including the fusion of PS+Juubi. Madara's PS would be gone, but the Juubi would regenerate. The fusion moves in for the seal and ends it, or uses Bijuu Rasenshuriken to resonate with the Bijuu within Madara and pull them out.

Rikudou's chakra and Juubi's chakra are the exact same thing, so you guys really have to stop using that argument. The Juubi grants Gudoudama in the same manner Rikudou's chakra does. Both Hamura and Rikudou had them because of the Kaguya which is directly from the Juubi. So the boost is the same. In this case, the fusion not only has a Perfect Susano'o the same as Sasuke's at VOTE2 but it has Naruto's Senjutsu boosting it, which is the Yang of Hagoromo, which is the same as the Senjutsu Madara has boosting his, albeit the databook stated Naruto's is superior, so your point here is moot.

No scans, just assumption, everything you said literally goes against what was shown in the manga.

you lose.

So basically naruto and sasuke fusion is madara

basically, but the actual madara has the juubi so he stomps.

 

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No scans, just assumption, everything you said literally goes against what was shown in the manga.

you lose.

Nope. You know, you should really try and conceal the way you post because it's obvious who's alt you are.

 

[Priscilla negs]

Nope. You know, you should really try and conceal the way you post because it's obvious who's alt you are.

im not hiding it. i have the same info all profiles.

you have no scans. theres really nothing much to say here.

madara stomps.

 

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im not hiding it. i have the same info all profiles.

you have no scans. theres really nothing much to say here.

madara stomps.

So Madara is stomping a faster opponent than him with superior Senjutsu and a better Rin'negan amplified by said Senjutsu? Amazing.

 

[The One Above All]

I personally think Naruto is stronger than Madara, and Sasuke being below Madara because of lack of not having a technique that can pull the bijuus out of Madara.
Fused and I see them stomping Madara.

Fail naruto is no where near madara


Juubi> bijuu

No amount of frs and bijuudamas can compete with juubidamas.


Also madara storm release: lightning fang cut through tsb from naruto already

Furthermorejuubi jin madara is immortal and rsm naruto is not.

All naruto's abilities are countered so how is he above Godara????

 

[Priscilla negs]

So Madara is stomping a faster opponent than him with superior Senjutsu and a better Rin'negan amplified by said Senjutsu? Amazing.

juubi dwarfs them they are literally bugs to it, that thing covered in susano is over kill, and the juubi simply has better feats shown in the manga. scans have already been provided for proof. or you could look back and read yourself.

madara is stomping.

 

[KidGamer65]

The fusion should win high diff at the very worst in Scenario 1. Naruto and Sasuke each carry half of Hagoromo's powers, so the a fusion of the two should be on par with Hagoromo, and Madara himself is also on par with Hagoromo. But give them the VotE 2 feats, and they shitstomp Madara. 2 people on his level fused together is way too much for him.

 

[Transcendence]

juubi dwarfs them they are literally bugs to it, that thing covered in susano is over kill, and the juubi simply has better feats shown in the manga. scans have already been provided for proof. or you could look back and read yourself.

madara is stomping.

Remind me again how that thing is tanking Indra's Arrow plus multiple Rasenshuriken that was felt from countries away again?

 

[Priscilla negs]

Remind me again how that thing is tanking Indra's Arrow plus multiple Rasenshuriken that was felt from countries away again?

juubi tanked a much stronger attack, its own bijuu dama. so that lil thing shouldn't be a problem.

they get stepped on.

 

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juubi tanked a much stronger attack, its own bijuu dama. so that lil thing shouldn't be a problem.

they get stepped on.

An attack that didn't even cover the battlefield is stronger than an attack that covered the entire upper atmosphere with no sight of the sky and felt countries away? Jesus man, come on. At least try to reason here.

 

[Bronze]

How is destructive capacity even a threat here? The fusion here (even individually as well) are faster and more mobile than Madara ever has been. In order to use the Juubi dama he needs to use the tree and then have it charge up. Going straight to PS and using Amenotejikara to blitz down the tree evidently ends the threat of Juubi dama's ever even being used. I agree he's more destructive, but it isn't ever working.

Where did you get that he needs to summon to use TBB? I clearly said he's letting the Juubi out [

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], like a Jinchuuriki uses BM. You don't see the Juubi going around summoning trees to TBB; it's shooting from its mouth.

Durability isn't the same as regeneration. Although it seems we're debating about the fusion so that's nigh at this point. Juubi dama isn't anywhere near as strong or as expansive as the explosion caused by Indra's Arrow and the Rasenshuriken. This fusion can use both of those together and fire them right at Madara. An attack that was felt from countries away and completely enveloped the atmosphere would obliterate anything, including the fusion of PS+Juubi. Madara's PS would be gone, but the Juubi would regenerate. The fusion moves in for the seal and ends it, or uses Bijuu Rasenshuriken to resonate with the Bijuu within Madara and pull them out.

The Juubi has both durability and regeneration. It didn't regenerate when surviving its attacks; it was taking them and wasn't hurt. Also, you seem to have the notion that attack being ''felt'' means it expand more in range. Edo Madara's meteor was felt by the HQ who were far as well. That means the combined attack have high kinetic energy. You still haven't proven they expand more than the Juubi's TBB, as I clearly shown a scaling on the map. The VOTE wasn't countries away from the battlefield; it was only multi-mountain ranges away. The Shinju's trunk can be seen, meaning it isn't as far you claimed it was:

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Rikudou's chakra and Juubi's chakra are the exact same thing, so you guys really have to stop using that argument. The Juubi grants Gudoudama in the same manner Rikudou's chakra does. Both Hamura and Rikudou had them because of the Kaguya which is directly from the Juubi. So the boost is the same. In this case, the fusion not only has a Perfect Susano'o the same as Sasuke's at VOTE2 but it has Naruto's Senjutsu boosting it, which is the Yang of Hagoromo, which is the same as the Senjutsu Madara has boosting his, albeit the databook stated Naruto's is superior, so your point here is moot.

That's plain fallacy. Hagoromo and Juubi share the same Chakra trait, but obviously not in quantity and quality. Hagoromo wasn't shown to have Gududama and 9 tomoe and Rinnegan symbol on his cloak before becoming Jinchuuriki. [

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] He showed them when he became Jinchuuriki. [

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] And then there is Naruto and Sasuke making a note of how Madara's Chakra, as Jinchuuriki, was vastly superior to theirs.

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If Kaguya was not there, whose Chakra would be the strongest and largest to the point where it surprised Naruto and Sasuke how Kaguya has greater volume of that than Madara's? Madara. More and stronger Chakra means stronger PS.

 

[The One Above All]

So Madara I


s stomping a faster opponent than him with superior Senjutsu and a better Rin'negan amplified by said Senjutsu? Amazing.

The speed argument is moot because naruto and sasuke were faster than him to begin with


Yet they still didn't beat him



Also senjutsu can't enhance the rinnegan it can only enhance the rinne jutsu much like juugo did to ems sasuke's susano. So this superior rinnegan shit fails.



The manga already confirmed 2 rinnegan>1 so clearly 3 > 1. Also juubi>bijuus so madara has more eye power and body power

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay let's amp this up a bit more.

Adult forms but fused. So this means Full Kurama as well on Naruto's part and stronger chakra for both of them.

Lol either Adult solos with low diff. Both of them fused together shitstomp with the lowest possibly difficulty.

 

[Priscilla negs]

Where did you get that he needs to summon to use TBB? I clearly said he's letting the Juubi out [

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], like a Jinchuuriki uses BM. You don't see the Juubi going around summoning trees to TBB; it's shooting from its mouth.



The Juubi has both durability and regeneration. It didn't regenerate when surviving its attacks; it was taking them and wasn't hurt. Also, you seem to have the notion that attack being ''felt'' means it expand more in range. Edo Madara's meteor was felt by the HQ who were far as well. That means the combined attack have high kinetic energy. You still haven't proven they expand more than the Juubi's TBB, as I clearly shown a scaling on the map. The VOTE wasn't countries away from the battlefield; it was only multi-mountain ranges away. The Shinju's trunk can be seen, meaning it isn't as far you claimed it was:

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That's plain fallacy. Hagoromo and Juubi share the same Chakra trait, but obviously not in quantity and quality. Hagoromo wasn't shown to have Gududama and 9 tomoe and Rinnegan symbol on his cloak before becoming Jinchuuriki. [

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] [

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] He showed them when he became Jinchuuriki. [

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] And then there is Naruto and Sasuke making a note of how Madara's Chakra, as Jinchuuriki, was vastly superior to theirs.

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If Kaguya was not there, whose Chakra would be the strongest and largest to the point where it surprised Naruto and Sasuke how Kaguya has greater volume of that than Madara's? Madara. More and stronger Chakra means stronger PS.

I wish i could debate like this guy.


+ rep if i had any rep power lol.

 

[Priscilla negs]

Where did you get that he needs to summon to use TBB? I clearly said he's letting the Juubi out [

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], like a Jinchuuriki uses BM. You don't see the Juubi going around summoning trees to TBB; it's shooting from its mouth.



The Juubi has both durability and regeneration. It didn't regenerate when surviving its attacks; it was taking them and wasn't hurt. Also, you seem to have the notion that attack being ''felt'' means it expand more in range. Edo Madara's meteor was felt by the HQ who were far as well. That means the combined attack have high kinetic energy. You still haven't proven they expand more than the Juubi's TBB, as I clearly shown a scaling on the map. The VOTE wasn't countries away from the battlefield; it was only multi-mountain ranges away. The Shinju's trunk can be seen, meaning it isn't as far you claimed it was:

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That's plain fallacy. Hagoromo and Juubi share the same Chakra trait, but obviously not in quantity and quality. Hagoromo wasn't shown to have Gududama and 9 tomoe and Rinnegan symbol on his cloak before becoming Jinchuuriki. [

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] [

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] He showed them when he became Jinchuuriki. [

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] And then there is Naruto and Sasuke making a note of how Madara's Chakra, as Jinchuuriki, was vastly superior to theirs.

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If Kaguya was not there, whose Chakra would be the strongest and largest to the point where it surprised Naruto and Sasuke how Kaguya has greater volume of that than Madara's? Madara. More and stronger Chakra means stronger PS.

Damn I wish i could debate like this guy.

+rep if i had rep power lol.