Peace requires fear. NOT just understanding.

[KingHashirama]

Even though i am with the "love is needed for peace" or "understanding is needed for peace"... There is still one thing Kishimoto didn't directly cover or say... but indirectly implied. And that was that fear is also required for peace to start or begin.


By "fear" is not a reference to being someone's b*tch or being deadly scared of them... But it is a reference to having a small fear in your heart , that if you do f*ck up something so and so is gonna put you in his place , so you might as well not try it (I can't really explain it through words , so i'll just use the manga to explain it.)

We know Hashirama brought together the Gokage and made a small period of peace after years of continuous war..

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^^^ See he wasn't just respected.. but FEARED also. It was that fear that made people listen to him.. Just like it will be partially due to fear that people will listen to Naruto.


And I'm sure there are a whole lot of people who will fear Naruto, but its the different kind of fear they will compared to Sasuke. People will respect Naruto, at the same time fearing him. Because there simply are some people in the world that require fear over them to live in a society, they require fear to be made to understand others.

So conclusion... FEAR IS NECESSARY FOR PEACE in Naruto-verse.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, IS FEAR REQUIRED FOR PEACE OR NO?

 

[RNITBmsage]

bravery negates fears
it wouldn't be useful seeing as humans grow more bold each day

 

[FleeOnSight]

It is, you're absolutely right.

 

[Gagster]

Shinobi are trained to be fearless, so that's kinda pointless.

 

[KingHashirama]

bravery negates fears
it wouldn't be useful seeing as humans grow more bold each day

bravery also causes ego and hence wars.

Shinobi are trained to be fearless, so that's kinda pointless.

manga disagrees.

 

[Umari Senju]

I think I understand the "fear" you are referring to which is true. A healthy dose of fear is not a bad thing when considering the state of a long lasting peace.

SO in this instance, yes I agree with your words.

 

[WalksInShadows]

using Hashirama is a bad example, because Madara is the one the world feared. Hashirama was respected, but nobody was scared of him like that. If that was the case, Kakazu wouldn't have been hired to assassinate him, nor would Hashirama have died during the war. Using fear to keep order goes against the very fabric of what it is to live in a peaceful society. Because in a peaceful society, there is no need for someone to use fear as a means of keeping things from happening.

 

[Anorien16]

That is kinda why Hashirama and Tobirama was a great pair together .... But when Hashirama was gone, we saw what happens without love and understanding.

 

[KingHashirama]

using Hashirama is a bad example, because Madara is the one the world feared. Hashirama was respected, but nobody was scared of him like that. If that was the case, Kakazu wouldn't have been hired to assassinate him, nor would Hashirama have died during the war.

I gave you a manga scan that says Hashirama was feared the most..

Kakuzu was hired to assassinate him due to that... some people saw him as a threat and sought to get rid of him..

Furthermore, we actually have 0 information on that past.... So i'm not going to bother going into things we have hardly any information on..

That is kinda why Hashirama and Tobirama was a great pair together .... But when Hashirama was gone, we saw what happens without love and understanding.

Don't think Tobirama mattered much when Hashirama was running things. Seeing how Onoki was happy to see Hashirama back.

Tobirama didn't really have the power that people would "fear". That was an issue. And Tobirama did love and understand, but i think it was just a different kind of a love and understanding.

But I do get your point. But with Hashirama's death i think even "fear" was lifted.. because there was noone to keep a country in check.

 

[WalksInShadows]

I gave you a manga scan that says Hashirama was feared the most..

Kakuzu was hired to assassinate him due to that... some people saw him as a threat and sought to get rid of him..

Furthermore, we actually have 0 information on that past.... So i'm not going to bother going into things we have hardly any information on..

yet absolutely nobody at that summit was sweating him like that. Like i said, nobody was scared of him like that. And there's no telling exactly why Kakazu was sent after him.

 

[KingHashirama]

yet absolutely nobody at that summit was sweating him like that. Like i said, nobody was scared of him like that. And there's no telling exactly why Kakazu was sent after him.

If you don't know why Kakuzu was sent ... why'd you bring it up?

And when Hashirama talked... THey listened... at the gokage meeting.. no one tried to argue against him. rofl. You think clans would join some weakling? lol.. MANGA STATES HE WAS FEARED... why are you trying to go against it?

 

[Xāvî1]

Even though i am with the "love is needed for peace" or "understanding is needed for peace"... There is still one thing Kishimoto didn't directly cover or say... but indirectly implied. And that was that fear is also required for peace to start or begin.


By "fear" is not a reference to being someone's b*tch or being deadly scared of them... But it is a reference to having a small fear in your heart , that if you do f*ck up something so and so is gonna put you in his place , so you might as well not try it (I can't really explain it through words , so i'll just use the manga to explain it.)

We know Hashirama brought together the Gokage and made a small period of peace after years of continuous war..

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

^^^ See he wasn't just respected.. but FEARED also. It was that fear that made people listen to him.. Just like it will be partially due to fear that people will listen to Naruto.


And I'm sure there are a whole lot of people who will fear Naruto, but its the different kind of fear they will compared to Sasuke. People will respect Naruto, at the same time fearing him. Because there simply are some people in the world that require fear over them to live in a society, they require fear to be made to understand others.

So conclusion... FEAR IS NECESSARY FOR PEACE in Naruto-verse.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, IS FEAR REQUIRED FOR PEACE OR NO?

I think this is the second or the third time i agree with you! Lol

 

[WalksInShadows]

If you don't know why Kakuzu was sent ... why'd you bring it up?

And when Hashirama talked... THey listened... at the gokage meeting.. no one tried to argue against him. rofl. You think clans would join some weakling? lol.. MANGA STATES HE WAS FEARED... why are you trying to go against it?

to help contradict this notion you have about Hashirama being scary. Hashirama not being sweated at the summit and him getting killed in the subsequent war completely contradicts this myth about Hashirama being such a scary figure.

More to the point, that scan you introduced to supposedly support your case was more than likely referring to the country, not the world. That scan clearly places that statement pointing towards the days where the clans in Fire Country warred against each other. There's absolutely no mention how it was that way around the entire world, despite what you're trying to make it out to be. Show where it says such a thing, and i'll gladly consider myself wrong.

 

[iKaras]

I think that logic is next in line to be retcon.

Nice thread btw.

 

[KingHashirama]

to help contradict this notion you have about Hashirama being scary. Hashirama not being sweated at the summit and him getting killed in the subsequent war completely contradicts this myth about Hashirama being such a scary figure.

More to the point, that scan you introduced to supposedly support your case was more than likely referring to the country, not the world. That scan clearly places that statement pointing towards the days where the clans in Fire Country warred against each other. There's absolutely no mention how it was that way around the entire world, despite what you're trying to make it out to be. Show where it says such a thing, and i'll gladly consider myself wrong.

Also seems like you don't know much about the warring states era either...


1. Warring states era had nothing to do with clans belonging to a country... No clan belonged to a country during that time.. Clans were mercenaries....

2. Manga states by "other shinobi clanS" <<<< All the gokage were from shinobi clans..

3. As I said, fearing someone doesn't = sweating all out wheny ou meet them...