Part 2 base Kabuto VS Part 2 Base Tsunade

[KidGamer65]

BTW I meant Tsuande still has the yin seal, but she can't use it to make her punches on the same level as what Sakura/Tsunade used in the WA. Nor can she restore her stamina or use any type of markings across her body. She's not going to be nerfed in comparison to what Tsunade was when she fought Kabuto.

So Tsunade has the seal but none of the strength or stamina buffs from it?

Kabuto still wins, but mainly cause his scalpel can cut and his soldier pills.

 

[Tazzilla88]

That makes zero sense. Byakugo being active and simply having the seal in itself boosts her physical abilities and her chakra levels as seen by Sakura's chakra level and physical abilities increasing after forming the seal WITHOUT her actually releasing it. That is restricted here. So no, she doesn't have the stamina to fight 5 Susanoo clones without her Yin Seal. Only thing that doesn't change is her SKILL in Taijutsu, overall prowess is a combination of skill and physical ability and Tsunade w/ the seal>Tsunade w/o the seal in physical ability and it's not even close.

Given the fact that Sakura's seal formed mid battle that would imply that she was not directing all chakra into attacking and rather was diverting chakra into her seal formation. When the seal filled, it all normal chakra that had been diverted to the creation of the seal was again accessible. The unopened seal has nothing to do with Sakura or Tsunade's ability to attack. Generally why one must open a seal. To access what's inside it... So you're wrong, drarastically. Tsunade not being able to use her seal makes her more powerful as her tremendous base reserves can be used without diverting chakra whatsoever.
This isn't Tsunade without the seal this is Tsunade not using the seal, which is a notable difference. But her strength and overall chakra may increase with the seal. But, as Orochimaru noted in part 1, her base strength is great enough to kill. So that's a moot point. And in part 2 her chakra feats blow Kabuto's out of the water to the extent that talking about the chakra boost she gets from the seal is also unnecessary.

Also you misunderstand stamina in this context. There is chakra stamina to which I wasn't referring to, and there is physical energy. Which would be why I mentioned huffing and puffing... Tsunade has enough Stamina of the second variety to fight at that level. As compared to Part 1.

Further when Hashirama compares Sakura to Tsunade, there is no way in which he can be referencing the Byakugou technique. As Sakura wasn't using it, and he'd have 0 knowledge on it whatsoever.

That's all Tsunade with her seal. So Part 2 Tsunade w/ Yin Seal>>>Part 1 Tsunade w/ Yin Seal in terms of stamina. Doesn't mean that Tsunade without the added benefits of said seal has far more stamina than her Part 1 self w/o the seal. And Tsunade only said that when she had to heal wounds inflicted by Kabuto's chakra scalpel. Only Onoki would have injuries as bad as that due to the meteor. The rest just used up their chakra. The more severe the injury, the more chakra needed to heal.

Tsunade did not use her seal to replenish Oonoki and Gaara's chakra nor did she use her seal to heal Mei. So I'm a bit puzzled. We've seen Tsunade open her seal 4 times to use chakra directly from it. She has never been able to use chakra from her seal without opening it with the exception of Katsuyu, which isn't restricted but she doesn't need it to turn Kabuto into Pâté.

The meteor left such an impact that Madara regenerated from it. And he was further from the meteor than Gaara... just saying. Gaara likely received some injury. Though I don't care to spend time on that point, as she refilled both of their chakras while she was in base. And given the jutsus both Oonoki and Gaara were using that alone is impressive enough to say she won't have to resort to her seal. To outdo Kabuto with chakra. Then add in Mei, I'll let you decide if she was treating wounds or refilling her chakra. It doesn't really matter as it was still her base form.

It boosts physical ability, so using that as a feat for Tsunade w/o the seal makes no sense. That's like me saying "KCM doesn't boost Taijutsu itself, so KCM Naruto and Base Naruto would perform the same or roughly the same in a Taijutsu fight" even though KCM boosts Naruto's speed and strength. Sharingan also doesn't boost Taijutsu by itself, but due to the fact that the opponent's moves can be read Sasuke w/o Sharingan would be stomped by Sasuke w/ it in Taijutsu and they would perform drastically different against the same opponents.

And no, she herself was never shown pushing Madara in close quarters. All you see is her punching Madara's clone.

And finally no. KCM is not analogous to Byakugou. As KCM is another ability not at all in the same vein of enhancements. Neither is sharingan. The byakugou seal itself simply stores chakra and allows Katsuyu a way to telepathically use chakra to heal. Tsunade can use that extra chakra to add more power to her punches, to regenerate, perhaps shunshin, though she's shown no sign of using shunshin. But to say it boost physical ability is a over generalization that becomes your strawman because its easier to attack. So, I'm puzzled when you say you don't know how to interpret Tsunade's taijutsu when the seal was active. Her punches were stronger but that really has little to do with prowess. So again, that's just not valid.

 

[RedRobin]

That makes zero sense. Byakugo being active and simply having the seal in itself boosts her physical abilities and her chakra levels as seen by Sakura's chakra level and physical abilities increasing after forming the seal WITHOUT her actually releasing it. That is restricted here. So no, she doesn't have the stamina to fight 5 Susanoo clones without her Yin Seal. Only thing that doesn't change is her SKILL in Taijutsu, overall prowess is a combination of skill and physical ability and Tsunade w/ the seal>Tsunade w/o the seal in physical ability and it's not even close.

Thats not correct. The seal itself did not increase anything. You are completely wrong in your understanding of how the seal works.

The Byakugo seal doesnt boost anything when its in the inactive state. What you saw with Sakura was simply her true Base form. Something we hadnt seen up to that point because she was diverting chakra from her base reserve to make the seal. Everything you saw from that feat was base Sakura, she can summon Katsuyu in base.

Btw, are there any panels that actually say that Tsunade was rusty besides that Kabuto panel?

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Both Jiraiya and Kabuto state it.

 

[Unorthodox]

OK tsunade wins lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

If Kabuto lands the first hit he could end and her and if she lands the first hit she'll crush him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Given the fact that Sakura's seal formed mid battle that would imply that she was not directing all chakra into attacking and rather was diverting chakra into her seal formation. When the seal filled, it all normal chakra that had been diverted to the creation of the seal was again accessible. The unopened seal has nothing to do with Sakura or Tsunade's ability to attack. Generally why one must open a seal. To access what's inside it... So you're wrong, drarastically. Tsunade not being able to use her seal makes her more powerful as her tremendous base reserves can be used without diverting chakra whatsoever.
This isn't Tsunade without the seal this is Tsunade not using the seal, which is a notable difference. But her strength and overall chakra may increase with the seal. But, as Orochimaru noted in part 1, her base strength is great enough to kill. So that's a moot point. And in part 2 her chakra feats blow Kabuto's out of the water to the extent that talking about the chakra boost she gets from the seal is also unnecessary.

Also you misunderstand stamina in this context. There is chakra stamina to which I wasn't referring to, and there is physical energy. Which would be why I mentioned huffing and puffing... Tsunade has enough Stamina of the second variety to fight at that level. As compared to Part 1.

Further when Hashirama compares Sakura to Tsunade, there is no way in which he can be referencing the Byakugou technique. As Sakura wasn't using it, and he'd have 0 knowledge on it whatsoever.
Tsunade did not use her seal to replenish Oonoki and Gaara's chakra nor did she use her seal to heal Mei. So I'm a bit puzzled. We've seen Tsunade open her seal 4 times to use chakra directly from it. She has never been able to use chakra from her seal without opening it with the exception of Katsuyu, which isn't restricted but she doesn't need it to turn Kabuto into Pâté.

The meteor left such an impact that Madara regenerated from it. And he was further from the meteor than Gaara... just saying. Gaara likely received some injury. Though I don't care to spend time on that point, as she refilled both of their chakras while she was in base. And given the jutsus both Oonoki and Gaara were using that alone is impressive enough to say she won't have to resort to her seal. To outdo Kabuto with chakra. Then add in Mei, I'll let you decide if she was treating wounds or refilling her chakra. It doesn't really matter as it was still her base form.




And finally no. KCM is not analogous to Byakugou. As KCM is another ability not at all in the same vein of enhancements. Neither is sharingan. The byakugou seal itself simply stores chakra and allows Katsuyu a way to telepathically use chakra to heal. Tsunade can use that extra chakra to add more power to her punches, to regenerate, perhaps shunshin, though she's shown no sign of using shunshin. But to say it boost physical ability is a over generalization that becomes your strawman because its easier to attack. So, I'm puzzled when you say you don't know how to interpret Tsunade's taijutsu when the seal was active. Her punches were stronger but that really has little to do with prowess. So again, that's just not valid.

Thats not correct. The seal itself did not increase anything. You are completely wrong in your understanding of how the seal works.

The Byakugo seal doesnt boost anything when its in the inactive state. What you saw with Sakura was simply her true Base form. Something we hadnt seen up to that point because she was diverting chakra from her base reserve to make the seal. Everything you saw from that feat was base Sakura, she can summon Katsuyu in base.

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Both Jiraiya and Kabuto state it.

Then if this is basically Base Tsunade as we've seen her vs. Kabuto she'd win.