Part 1 Kakashi vs Zabuza (Going in depth with this battle)

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This battle didn't officially happen 1 on 1 yet. What I mean is, Kakashi and Zabuza never faced off alone the first time they met. They faced off 1 on 1 the second time after analyzing each other's abilities; something they wouldn't be able to do their first battle.

Kakashi only won the second battle because he summoned his Ninken to smell out Zabuza. His Ninken were able to smell out Zabuza because Kakashi allowed himself to get cut to get his blood on Zabuza's Kubikiribocho.

Remember the first battle when Zabuza used Water Clones first to attack? He didn't use them against Kakashi 1 on 1 the second battle. This is because Kakashi told him, "The same technique doesn't work on me twice". Zabuza, knowing that, didn't even try to use them the second time against Kakashi.

The first time Zabuza used the Water Clones, regardless if Team 7 was there or not, worked. Many people say if Team 7 wasn't there, Kakashi would have never gotten distracted and gotten caught in the Water Prison Jutsu. This possibly being true, we saw when Kakashi and Zabuza faced off one on one, what Kakashi would have done (which is using his Ninken).

As I was saying about the Water Clones, Zabuza didn't use them against Kakashi one on one due to Kakashi noting they wouldn't work on him again. Kakashi's plan to beat Zabuza was letting himself get cut to get blood on the real Zabuza's weapon to smell him out right? If they fought for the first time (being the first time they met) one on one, Zabuza would have used Water Clones against Kakashi.

What would happen if Zabuza made a Water Clone? Kakashi, not being able to tell the difference between the real Zabuza and a Water Clone (not one of the Sharingan's powers), would allow the Water Clone to cut him! Thus, the blood of Kakashi will be on the fake Kubikiribochi. This means that the Ninken would smell out the Water Clone and hold the Water Clone down!

When the Ninken smell out the fake, Water Clone Zabuza, Kakashi will move in with his Lightning Cutter to kill Zabuza. But as Kakashi will find out, it'll actually be a Water Clone! This will give Zabuza the chance to move behind Kakashi with an opening. And just how he did this before, he will swing his sword, forcing Kakashi to duck to avoid it, then kick Kakashi into the water and capture him in his Water Prison.

At that point when Kakashi's caught in his Water Prison, the battle's over, as Kakashi already said this before when he got caught.



This is a very complicated battle that requires you to think through it clearly. If you have read through my whole argument, you will understand what I'm trying to say.

Basically, Water Clones are a counter to Kakashi's Ninken plan and if they fought for the first time, Zabuza would have used them, countered Kakashi's plan, and killed Kakashi.

Note: Remember this is Part 1 Kakashi
 

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Haku helped Zabuza... Otherwise, he was a goner in their 1st battle...
He only needed Haku at the end after Naruto and Sasuke interfered. You can't use that against my argument because it wasn't just Kakashi and Zabuza

Part 1 Kakashi was able to distinguish Itachi's water clones. You argument is invalid.
Itachi never even used Water Clones. Your argument is invalid.
 

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The fact that Zabuza didn't use water clones in his 2nd fight with Kakashi because Kakashi told him that those are useless goes to show that Zabuza is not very bright and can be tricked very easily by someone as smart as Kakashi.

Zabuza would most likely win without plot on Kakashi's side. They are evenly matched but due to Kakashi's horrid stamina in part one, Zabuza could easily out last him. This will come down to a battle of attrition since they both are on the same level and it would be difficult for either one to take the other out.
 
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The fact that Zabuza didn't use water clones in his 2nd fight with Kakashi because Kakashi told him that those are useless goes to show that Zabuza is not very bright and can be tricked very easily by someone as smart as Kakashi.

Zabuza would most likely win without plot on Kakashi's side. They are evenly matched but due to Kakashi's horrid stamina in part one, Zabuza could easily out last him. This will come down to a battle of attrition since they both are on the same level and it would be difficult for either one to take the other out.
Also, don't forget Zabuza was very cocky their second fight and thought it would be easy to take out Kakashi. He probably thought Water Clones weren't even necessary, something he wouldn't have thought the first fight,

If it comes down to a battle of attrition like you said, then the battle is Zabuza's because as you also said, Kakashi has horrible stamina
 

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Also, don't forget Zabuza was very cocky their second fight and thought it would be easy to take out Kakashi. He probably thought Water Clones weren't even necessary, something he wouldn't have thought the first fight,

If it comes down to a battle of attrition like you said, then the battle is Zabuza's because as you also said, Kakashi has horrible stamina
True, ignorance seemed to be Zabuza's downfall although that is an excuse that authors use to try and make the villain lose through plot. Did Kakashi use any clones in their second fight? If he didn't it wouldn't have mattered since Zabuza has more stamina to use more of them and would still be able to fight effectively whereas Kakashi would start to feel the effects of chakra drain.

I give it to Zabuza high difficulty.
 

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True, ignorance seemed to be Zabuza's downfall although that is an excuse that authors use to try and make the villain lose through plot. Did Kakashi use any clones in their second fight? If he didn't it wouldn't have mattered since Zabuza has more stamina to use more of them and would still be able to fight effectively whereas Kakashi would start to feel the effects of chakra drain.

I give it to Zabuza high difficulty.
I don't really understand how Kakashi did this, but he used A LOT of shadow clones

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How did Kakashi do that? Shadow Clones r supposed to take up a lot of chakra but Kakashi made like over 50

Oh and look how sick this is, i cant believe Zabuza decapitated Gaito with a kunai in his mouth. That's pretty sick haha

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no way not a chance kakashi said himself that he only let the first battle to take sometime so he can force zabuza to use his water vortex jutsu so kakashi can copy it
 

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Kakashi mid dif Kakashi can win he did in 2nd fight 1v1 we can say it was no interference of sasuke cous he fighted against Haku and Sakura saved Bridge builder naruto arived and Saved Sasuke and Haku sucrifised herself for Zabuza so Kakashi>Zabuza in 2nd fight.....
 

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Kakashi mid dif Kakashi can win he did in 2nd fight 1v1 we can say it was no interference of sasuke cous he fighted against Haku and Sakura saved Bridge builder naruto arived and Saved Sasuke and Haku sucrifised herself for Zabuza so Kakashi>Zabuza in 2nd fight.....
You really aren't that smart.... I already countered this in the thread
 

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I don't really understand how Kakashi did this, but he used A LOT of shadow clones

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How did Kakashi do that? Shadow Clones r supposed to take up a lot of chakra but Kakashi made like over 50

Oh and look how sick this is, i cant believe Zabuza decapitated Gaito with a kunai in his mouth. That's pretty sick haha

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1. Those clones are fodder so Zabuza would have no problem defeating them. Also apparently it is believed that those were just illusions disguised as kage bunshins to trick those lowlife thugs. I think it has been said that Kakashi can only use two clones per battle although I'm not sure if this is true.
 

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1. Those clones are fodder so Zabuza would have no problem defeating them. Also apparently it is believed that those were just illusions disguised as kage bunshins to trick those lowlife thugs. I think it has been said that Kakashi can only use two clones per battle although I'm not sure if this is true.
They had to be illusuions there's absolutely no way Kakashi could do that
 
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