[VS] Part 1 Kakashi vs Part 1 Gaara

[Exaar]

You got cornered so you highlighted one sentence to save your face? Poor lil kiddie ,how cute.

Lee doesn't have shunshin though

 

[Raykyryn]

Lee doesn't have shunshin though

Isnt shunshin gathering chakra in your feet then release it? The gates do this just with the entire body last i checked.

Not that it has anything to do with his claims thats why its funny that he highlighted this may false but irrelevant sentence but those that made his pretty arguments collapse he purposely ignored.

 

[Exaar]

Isnt shunshin gathering chakra in your feet then release it? The gates do this just with the entire body last i checked.

What makes you think he can use control such massive amounts of chakra released by opening gates and use it while focused on the toughest battle of his life when he can't even use some of the most basic ninjutsu techs?.

Lee's speed in Base and gated is purely physical it has nothing to do with chakra. Besides, The increase chakra flow is just a by product of removing limiters on the muscles, The increase chakra flow does literally nothing for lee since he cannot even control his normal chakra that well to begin with let alone the increase amount from the gates.

 

[Raykyryn]

What makes you think he can use control such massive amounts of chakra released by opening gates and use it while focused on the toughest battle of his life when he can't even use some of the most basic ninjutsu techs?.

Lee's speed in Base and gated is purely physical it has nothing to do with chakra. Besides, The increase chakra flow is just a by product of removing limiters on the muscles, The increase chakra flow does literally nothing for lee since he cannot even control his normal chakra that well to begin with let alone the increase amount from the gates.

Yeah, i rewatched and noticed that the aura what seemed to be chakra was in reality sweat. Originally, i was trying to imply that Lee was moving with his top speed all along which is true in this case bcoz as you said he cant über that speed as he cant use shunshin at that point. Case closed.

 

[Curse Mark]

Lee doesn't have shunshin though

Exactly lmao.

I said I'm not gonna waste my time with anymore dumb stuff and then he breaks out "Lee was constantly using his shunshin"

Obvious troll.

 

[Bogard]

Is this some kind of joke? Part1 Gaara was getting blitzed by Sasuke who himself was too slow for Kakashi. And his raikiri is more powerful, more chakra supply. Better clone feints. Far better ninjutsu power and versatility(suiton could turn his sand to mud). He even has no counters for genjutsu to boot, so he'd be daydreaming the entire time. Gaara stands no chance

 

[Simbv]

I think people are misunderstanding here. Opening the gates does increase Lee's power and speed dramatically. But Lee is not using shunshin, that is an entirely different technique. Besides that is classified as Ninjutsu and we all know that Lee can't use Ninjutsu.

 

[BLAZE]

Smh.

Unweighted Lee was moving so fast he was running

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and was tracked by gaara a genin at that moment

Once he opened the fourth and fifth gates he's moving so fast he's

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He was moving so fast in that same scan that the audience was being hurt by the resulting wind and debris.

He's moving so fast he's literally stepping off the air.

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Treating Gaara like a ping pong ball.

and that does prove he is fast no one denied it but how does that help gaara here on whom sasuke was landing hits

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Those r genins u know

Gaara thought his movements were inhuman and even the genius shikamaru said it was so fast he couldn't tell what was going on.

Both r genins

Please show me where pt 1. Kakashi has ever moved anywhere close to Gated Lee's speed.
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Neither has might gai,oro,Itachi
so according u lee is faster than them

 

[Raykyryn]

Exactly lmao.

I said I'm not gonna waste my time with anymore dumb stuff and then he breaks out "Lee was constantly using his shunshin"

Obvious troll.

you re irritating.
-confuses weightless Lee with gated Lee
-genin Lee is the fastest character in part 1 bcoz he is unable to use feats properly :kk:
-dumb kid thought Lee was kicking up the air like fkin 8th gated Gai did xd
-ignores arguments that he fails to counter and heroically sticks to the wrong ones
thats it.

 

[neosmith500]

[B]Yeah and Neji wouldn't have been able to keep up with that speed.[/B] I'm just saying as far as part 1 goes, Kakashi wasn't ever moving that fast.

In terms of unweighted lee tho , it then becomes a walk in the park for neji to physically react to that level of speed as lee would never be capable of even touching neji without goin gates and this was before he knew kaiten.

Lee's speed in Base and gated is purely physical it has nothing to do with chakra. .

Actually i would concur that he can use shunishin an does use chakra to boost his speed and attack , like here for instance.

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And also here when he seemingly used chakra to boost the speed of his kick.

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He can expel , control and maintain chakra in his hands/feet so i wouldn't say its much of a stretch to deduce that he can simply gather chakra in his feet then have it explode .

So i conclude that lee can and did in fact use shunshin.

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Like sakura before him.

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[Exaar]

And also here when he seemingly used chakra to boost the speed of his kick.

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He explained to sasuke after his attacks are simple Taijutsu.

I wouldn't call using chakra to enhance your attacks simple taijutsu, As for the sign he made, I'd assume the seal he used was to unlock a gate for the jolt of speed, since he did a similar seal while fighting sound nin while talking about using his Gates and after a flash back about when he can and cannot use them.

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He can expel , control and maintain chakra in his hands/feet so i wouldn't say its much of a stretch to deduce that he can simply gather chakra in his feet then have it explode .

Being able to gather/expel chakra into his feet is very different from gathering it into your feet, Keeping it there while fighting and releasing it at the right moment to propel yourself forward all in an instant.
As Kakashi said, sakura was above even sasuke in terms of chakra control, which allowed her to do such a feat.

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If sasuke, a person who can already use elemental Ninjutsu couldn't do such a feat, Lee sure as hell cannot.

So i conclude that lee can and did in fact use shunshin.

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Shunshin is a quick burst of movement, it is not a sustainable movement. Unlike physical movement such as what lee had shown here.

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Now if we agree that scan is lee's physical movement speed then there is very little difference in his physical speed and shunshin speed thus making shunshin a waste of time and chakra.

Also Gai stated here the Super speed taijutsu that both he and Lee use come froms their unlimited muscle power while in gated form not chakra.

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[neosmith500]

He explained to sasuke after his attacks are simple Taijutsu.

I wouldn't call using chakra to enhance your attacks simple taijutsu, As for the sign he made, I'd assume the seal he used was to unlock a gate for the jolt of speed, since he did a similar seal while fighting sound nin while talking about using his Gates and after a flash back about when he can and cannot use them.

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Being able to gather/expel chakra into his feet is very different from gathering it into your feet, Keeping it there while fighting and releasing it at the right moment to propel yourself forward all in an instant.
As Kakashi said, sakura was above even sasuke in terms of chakra control, which allowed her to do such a feat.

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Shunshin is a quick burst of movement, it is not a sustainable movement. Unlike physical movement such as what lee had shown here.

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Now if we agree that scan is lee's physical movement speed then there is very little difference in his physical speed and shunshin speed thus making shunshin a waste of time and chakra.

Also Gai stated here the Super speed taijutsu that both he and Lee use come froms their unlimited muscle power while in gated form not chakra.

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Beautiful , I concede and this is how debates should be.

If sasuke, a person who can already use elemental Ninjutsu couldn't do such a feat, Lee sure as hell cannot.

Thats the only part i disagree with since sasuke used shunshin with perfect timing against haku and also about the point of shunshin not bein able to be ultized for sustained movement as thats wat sasuke seemingly did against haku.

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[NarutoX28]

I think people are misunderstanding here. Opening the gates does increase Lee's power and speed dramatically. But Lee is not using shunshin, that is an entirely different technique. Besides that is classified as Ninjutsu and we all know that Lee can't use Ninjutsu.

And then suddenly Lee cannot use Shunshin even though he's seen traveling on top of trees which is something Team 7 could only do after the tree-climbing training.

Damn Kishimoto.

 

[neosmith500]

And then suddenly Lee cannot use Shunshin even though he's seen traveling on top of trees which is something Team 7 could only do after the tree-climbing training.

Damn Kishimoto.

And then the fact that shunshin is directly connected to tree climbing in concept.

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That kishi.

 

[NarutoX28]

And then the fact that shunshin is directly connected to tree climbing in concept.

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That kishi.

Pretty much. Lee can use Shunshin apparently, but can't use any ninjutsu.

That Kishi.

 

[neosmith500]

Pretty much. Lee can use Shunshin apparently, but can't use any ninjutsu.

That Kishi.

Then as if to add insult to injury , lee was shown having much better chakra control than Z-Arc Sasuke in the aspect of using it to augment his physicality.

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Which enabled him to pull feats like this , pun intended.

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but yet somehow cant pull off shunshin.


On a side note , how do u think lee and tenten were able to heal all their wounds without medical ninjutsu here as sasuke noted?

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[NarutoX28]

Then as if to add insult to injury , lee was shown having much better chakra control than Z-Arc Sasuke in the aspect of using it to augment his physicality.

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Which enabled him to pull feats like this , pun intended.

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but yet somehow cant pull off shunshin.


On a side note , how do u think lee and tenten were able to heal all their wounds without medical ninjutsu here as sasuke noted?

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I also remembered this as well. I think it's a pretty clear indication that Lee can use Chakra to augment his physical capabilities.

Not sure how they healed all of their physical wounds tbh. XD

 

[neosmith500]

I also remembered this as well. I think it's a pretty clear indication that Lee can use Chakra to augment his physical capabilities.

Not sure how they healed all of their physical wounds tbh. XD

Yep , i guess lee doesn't know how to time the release of his chakra or some other pis imo.

Yea , clearly wasn't genjutsu and if lee used the healing gate then how did tenten heal from the *****-slap she got lol.

I wonder if someone was meant to become a medical ninja back then (tenten) and already had some kind of remote healing jutsu , but kishi later dismisses it in favor of givin it to sakura.

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Seems highly legit , that kishi.

 

[Simbv]

Well im confused, can Lee use Shunshin or not.

 

[NarutoX28]

Well im confused, can Lee use Shunshin or not.

I think he can. Reason why he can't use ninjutsu or genjutsu is because both require higher levels of chakra control. Genjutsu was something Sakura was good at because she was naturally good at chakra control and Ninjutsu not only requires focusing your chakra at a specific point, but also manipulating its shape and element whereas Shunshin only requires building up chakra at a specific point. Ninjutsu (in general) requires higher levels of chakra control than Shunshin, so Lee should be able to do it even if he cannot use ninjutsu in general.