Oh. :lol wrong time I was addressing. My bad, but this is also false for similar reasons.
-B's feat.
-Irrelevant to the discussion as it is Minato's mental reaction and Nagato's mental reaction we are talking about. Proving that Base B can outspeed Minato's physical reaction doesn't prove that Nagato can react faster than Minato can so please drop this nonsense argument.
Yes, it does slow him that much as he went from blitzing Obito to getting blocked by B from over 10 meters away. Minato has to pause before he strikes, while with Rasengan or a normal Kunai slash he strikes as soon as he appears.
"A little" :lol. The downplay is amazing with this one.
Irrelevant as it is instant. Nothing to do with Nagato's speed.
Irrelevant as that means Nagato can react to V2 B, doesn't mean he can react to KCM Naruto. Irrelevant as that shows Nagato reacting, it doesn't show B failing to react like you claimed.
Unless his tentacles are capable of overpowering Asura Path, no, it wouldn't have been helpful.
There is no claim to dispute. It's just pure wank at this point. Argument has been deflated over 5 times yet you still spam the same argument, for the simple fact that you have an irrational hate towards speed related argumentation. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
Your assumption with zero evidence behind it.
:lol Are you kidding me with this BS? Nagato's MOVEMENTS are physical. Reaction in the context of our argument is MENTAL. So that is an irrelevant point.
Nagato can't react to KCM Naruto from 10-15m period. Evidence has been provided and all you can do is list irrelevant occurrences that you think prove your point.
1. You claim that B failed to react to Nagato.
-Cited an example where Nagato reacted to B as evidence. :lol
-Cited an example where Shinra Tensei hit B, which is independent of Nagato's speed bar it's activation.
-Cited another example where Nagato reacted to B w/ Asura Path, not an example where B failed to react to Nagato like you claimed.
2. You claim that B reacting to Minato's attack makes his mental reaction>Minato's.
-Cited an example where Minato's following strike was purposely slowed down due to the nature of the attack.
-Cited an example that would prove (if you were even correct) that B's tentacle>Minato's physical slowed down Hiraishin attack. Has nothing to do with Minato's mental reactions.
Please stop. You make no sense.
Nagato doesn't react to Naruto from that range just because you say so. This is literally the same BS you pulled in the debate. Good thing about it here is that I'm not limited to 3 posts.
Except in the debate we were talking about his physical speed not his reactions.
I'm not arguing this though, you said yourself ST is instant.
Smh its a shame to see someone shit on because he never got the chance to showcase reactions :lol he's never been blitzed you're basically saying KCM naruto solos Nagato with a blitz.
Except in the debate we were talking about his physical speed not his reactions.
I'm not arguing this though, you said yourself ST is instant.
Smh its a shame to see someone shit on because he never got the chance to showcase reactions :lol he's never been blitzed you're basically saying KCM naruto solos Nagato with a blitz.
So? Still BS in the debate, not to mention this argument isn't about the debate.
I don't really know how many times I have to say it, but Shinra Tensei being instant literally means nothing because NAGATO'S REACTIONS ARE NOT INSTANT.
No one's getting shitted on. You are literally trying to invent feats for Nagato because you aren't content with his performance. That's like me saying EMS Sasuke solos EMS Madara or BSM Naruto, and then complain about him getting shitted on even though there's nothing in the Manga that'd lead me to that conclusion. :lol
Nagato never getting blitzed somehow means that he can't be blitzed? Oh Lord.
:lol Don't start putting words in people's mouths. I said that KCM Naruto blitzes from that range, never said that KCM Naruto beats Nagato, because he doesn't.
So? Still BS in the debate, not to mention this argument isn't about the debate.
I don't really know how many times I have to say it, but Shinra Tensei being instant literally means nothing because NAGATO'S REACTIONS ARE NOT INSTANT.
No one's getting shitted on. You are literally trying to invent feats for Nagato because you aren't content with his performance. That's like me saying EMS Sasuke solos EMS Madara or BSM Naruto, and then complain about him getting shitted on even though there's nothing in the Manga that'd lead me to that conclusion. :lol
Nagato never getting blitzed somehow means that he can't be blitzed? Oh Lord.
:lol Don't start putting words in people's mouths. I said that KCM Naruto blitzes from that range, never said that KCM Naruto beats Nagato, because he doesn't.
That range is decently far, and is a normal fighting range :lol
In the debate we argued if Minato could strike Nagato before ST is used, I said bee reacted with a slower technque unless you think Bee's reactions are that far greater to make up for the difference between firing a tentacle at like 10 meters and instantaneous activation Nagato can do the same, even without Minato cocking his arm back *which he probably did before he used FTG anyways)
No ones making up feats? I said Bee reacted to Minato and Nagato reacted to Bee :lol
That range is decently far, and is a normal fighting range :lol
In the debate we argued if Minato could strike Nagato before ST is used, I said bee reacted with a slower technque unless you think Bee's reactions are that far greater to make up for the difference between firing a tentacle at like 10 meters and instantaneous activation Nagato can do the same, even without Minato cocking his arm back *which he probably did before he used FTG anyways)
No ones making up feats? I said Bee reacted to Minato and Nagato reacted to Bee :lol
So? :lol. That doesn't mean Nagato loses to Naruto. Being able to blitz doesn't mean that he will be able to kill him before he does something. Even if it did, that doesn't matter in regards to the argument.
The debate? Again? Main focus is the argument here, not there. But Minato having to put momentum in his strike to pierce Ay's cloak (enough to make a crater with a Kunai Slash) ends your argument. Again. So why keep mentioning it? Your claim boils down to:
-B intercepted a slower attack, thus Nagato can react to the faster attack.
And no, he obviously didn't cock his arm back before Hiraishin as he wasn't even holding the Kunai before Hiraishin.
You are attempting to make Nagato faster than he has ever appeared to be, w/ bad logic to boot.
So? :lol. That doesn't mean Nagato loses to Naruto. Being able to blitz doesn't mean that he will be able to kill him before he does something. Even if it did, that doesn't matter in regards to the argument.
The debate? Again? Main focus is the argument here, not there. But Minato having to put momentum in his strike to pierce Ay's cloak (enough to make a crater with a Kunai Slash) ends your argument. Again. So why keep mentioning it? Your claim boils down to:
-B intercepted a slower attack, thus Nagato can react to the faster attack.
And no, he obviously didn't cock his arm back before Hiraishin as he wasn't even holding the Kunai before Hiraishin.
You are attempting to make Nagato faster than he has ever appeared to be, w/ bad logic to boot.
And what caused that Bijuu tentacle to hit the ground? The force from Minato's attack. The object itself has nothing to do with the power, just the result, or rather how the result looks.
Go ahead. Nagato's chances of victory aren't absolute anyway.
And what caused that Bijuu tentacle to hit the ground? The force from Minato's attack. The object itself has nothing to do with the power, just the result, or rather how the result looks.
Go ahead. Nagato's chances of victory aren't absolute anyway.
With knowledge of Naruto's KCM, Pain is likely to use CST (either from above like he did with Konoha, and considering that the location is the
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from the last time he used it in canon, he can focus the jutsu within that AOE. Or he could do it from the ground and hope Naruto's collision with all the ground from the crater's edge to the outskirts of Konoha kills him.) near the start of the fight. If he succeeds in getting off CST, then he could win. That's the only way he can win however.
The Paths on a whole have no way to trap and defeat KCM Naruto. A chameleon sneaking up and restraining KCM Naruto is hardly a dangerous scenario for him when a KCM/SM clone can break him out. Preta Path dies either to frog katas from a SM clone as before, or Food Cart Destroyer. All the other Paths can be blitzed or maneuvered into being hit with a chakra arm assisted Rasenshuriken, or outright crushed by those same chakra arms. Animal Path can be dispatched the same way she was in canon, Human Path is useless, as is Naraka, whereas Asura is only useful if he stays 30m away and tries to blast Naruto with his head laser.
Having the ability to create 10+ clones that can all throw Rasenshurikens/use chakra arms/enter SM/use summons gives Naruto a massive advantage that the weaker Paths can't adequately deal with. Thus Naruto wins more often than not.
Which doesn't change the fact that Minato's strike was still strong enough to slam said tentacle into the ground hard enough to make a crater when it's just a Kunai slash. :lol
Which doesn't change the fact that Minato's strike was still strong enough to slam said tentacle into the ground hard enough to make a crater when it's just a Kunai slash. :lol
