Pain vs KCM Naruto

[Zexion~]

You think Naruto who has tons load of Kage level clones would just be there when Pain launches himself with Asura.



Which mean Naruto may necessarily not be affected in that case since he'll have to factor in his Paths who Naruto may be engaging.

Besides if one has the speed and is fast to attack, they can potentially bypass the speed in which Deva releases ST as he particularly comments on their speed here before he reacts with ST

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Because they couldn't react within the 5 second interval...

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How long do you think this takes? What if he's doing this when most of the paths are destroyed?

 

[Haizaki]

Because they couldn't react within the 5 second interval...

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Doesn't matter since my point still stands....If he cannot react, ST is pointless since it requires him being able to react. For example are you going to tell me Deva can react to Amaterasu with ST despite its sheer speed ? :lol. Of course not because he'll only blast it off after it hit him. Neither does he have the reactions that suggest he can repel Naruto at full speed comparable to V2.

How long do you think this takes? What if he's doing this when most of the paths are destroyed?

Unrealistic because this ignores the fact that the Paths would be occupied with Multiple clones that can completely wreck them. If Pain launches himself upwards, Naruto catches up with his jumping which is faster

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. Besides Pain is having time to do so.

He'll be going down if they are too...Doesn't necessarily have to go last.

 

[Bronze]

Naruto's attacks are basically useless with Preta Path absorbing all of them, and especially at close combat where his entire cloak is a Chakra fuel for Pain to absorb, disturb with his Chakra rod or Human Path ripping his soul out. Let's not forget that Naruto's trouble with Animal Path summons alone. Pain wins mid-high diff.

 

[Zexion~]

Doesn't matter since my point still stands....If he cannot react, ST is pointless since it requires him being able to react. For example are you going to tell me Deva can react to Amaterasu with ST despite its sheer speed ? :lol. Of course not because he'll only blast it off after it hit him. Neither does he have the reactions that suggest he can repel Naruto at full speed comparable to V2.

He's been shown to time it perfectly using it immediately after the 5 second interval is over, less then a second. :lol and it was used against a V2 cloaked Naruto perfectly fine, its near instant and his reactions with it are great enough to react to mostly anything. Its a mental reaction only which is what makes it so fast.

 

[Haizaki]

He's been shown to time it perfectly using it immediately after the 5 second interval is over, less then a second. :lol and it was used against a V2 cloaked Naruto perfectly fine, its near instant and his reactions with it are great enough to react to mostly anything. Its a mental reaction only which is what makes it so fast.

Oh Lord like are you even serious? None of this even matter. V2 KN Naruto is much more inferior to KCM Naruto who matched or probably bested V2 Ay and was compared to the Yellow flash.

"He's been shown to time it perfectly" only goes to inferior speedsters and those on that level. Not the one's that are on par and could out speed V2 Ay at top speed. Just stop with this.

That feat of him using ST as a reaction only applies to inferior opponents in terms of speed since that's all he has shown. Zero proof that he can react to KCM Naruto or the likes of those with ST. Also I'm guessing the bold answers my question? So you are going to give him no limits and suggest he can react to Amaterasu's sheer speed with Shinra Tensei before he's hit? Pathetic. You need solid proof that he can react to KCM Naruto's full speed with ST. None of this "Makes it so fast" "Mental reaction" or what you're saying matters with 0 proof of him to use it against Shinobi's with that category of speed. Get the fk out of here if you're not showing me feats.

 

[Zexion~]

Oh Lord like are you even serious? None of this even matter. V2 KN Naruto is much more inferior to KCM Naruto who matched or probably bested V2 Ay and was compared to the Yellow flash.

"He's been shown to time it perfectly" only goes to inferior speedsters and those on that level. Not the one's that are on par and could outspend V2 Ay at top speed. Just stop with this.

That feat of him using ST as a reaction only applies to inferior opponents in terms of speed since that's all he has shown. Zero proof that he can react to KCM Naruto or the likes of those with ST. Also I'm guessing the bold answers my question? So you are going to give him no limits and suggest he can react to Amaterasu's sheer speed with Shinra Tensei before he's hit? Pathetic. You need solid proof that he can react to KCM Naruto's full speed with ST. None of this "Makes it so fast" "Mental reaction" or what you're saying matters with 0 proof of him to use it against Shinobi's with that category of speed. Get the fk out of here if you're not showing me feats.

I'm not arguing this :lol He obviously can't react to Amertarsu but he would ST it before it did any serious damage .-.

You'll just pick anything to argue with honestly, find me a time when anyone was succesful in blitzing Pain while his 5 second interval was still active then we'll talk :lol Why do you think Kishi nedeed to add the 5 second interval .-. and why everyone aims for it, lightened ay could blitz him, normal V2 Ay probably couldn't and neither could Minato with just Shunsin .-.

Only argument you can make is if Pains reactions < Nagato's

 

[KidGamer65]

^ lol not this "Pain can react to anything" BS argument again. You do realize that in a nutshell, all your post really says is that:

-Shinra Tensei is fast, and Pain was able to react to KN6, so he reacts to someone faster than V2 Ay.

Right? :lol

And now you are saying "because no one blitzed him during the 5 second time limit, no one can"? "5 second limit was added because he's unbiltzable"?

:lol Please stop with this BS. You give the same response everytime speed is brought up against Nagato because we both know that you can't produce a legit argument for why Pain can react to people like KCM Naruto.

 

[Zexion~]

^ lol not this "Pain can react to anything" BS argument again. You do realize that in a nutshell, all your post really says is that:

-Shinra Tensei is fast, and Pain was able to react to KN6, so he reacts to someone faster than V2 Ay.

Right? :lol

I'm saying that no ones blitzed him including the same person despite going at it with him .-.

ST is instant from when its activated to when its used, its a mental reaction.

But whatever if you think Naruto is blitzing Nagato/Pain with ST is active from anywhere but under 5-7 meters you're insane.

 

[Haizaki]

I'm not arguing this :lol He obviously can't react to Amertarsu but he would ST it before it did any serious damage .-.

Yes? Because you know you make no sense. He can't react to Amaterasu because of the sheer speed and he'll ST it because it takes time to damage while on him. Main point is he cannot react to its speed. Hence he cannot react to everything but the things he has shown within its category canonically.

You'll just pick anything to argue with honestly, find me a time when anyone was succesful in blitzing Pain while his 5 second interval was still active then we'll talk :lol Why do you think Kishi nedeed to add the 5 second interval .-. and why everyone aims for it, lightened ay could blitz him, normal V2 Ay probably couldn't and neither could Minato with just Shunsin .-.

How silly is this post? Especially with the V2 Ay and Minato bit smh. Not to mention as usual, you make yourself look funny by trying to suggest no one can but then suggesting Amaterasu obviously can even though we know there are characters faster than the Jutsu since V2 Ay could evade it. No limits is what you're suggesting but this is what I'm going to ask "Fine me a time where it successfully repelled characters faster than SM Naruto or rather, characters that are within the range of V2 Ay in speed?" None.
The underline is way too dumb..Kishi adding the 5 second interval doesn't mean the Jutsu speed cannot be bypassed nor does it mean the user can react without the interval. It only shows characters that aren't on such a level of speed can take advantage of this or it just shows every Jutsu has a weakness...This in no way even helps your argument since it doesn't have to do with the Jutsu but the reaction of the user.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm saying that no ones blitzed him including the same person despite going at it with him .-.

ST is instant from when its activated to when its used, its a mental reaction.

But whatever if you think Naruto is blitzing Nagato/Pain with ST is active from anywhere but under 5-7 meters you're insane.

Which is irrelevant since he's fought:

-Hinata
-Choji and Choza
-SM Naruto
-KN6

So how is that evidence he reacts to someone faster than V2 Ay? :lol. It being a mental reaction doesn't mean he can react to everyone using it so why do you keep mentioning it? It's not like this point hasn't been addressed before.

V2 Ay almost blitzed Minato from 10-20m. (Probably closer to 10) Pain gets blitzed from the same exact range as Nagato's reactions are nowhere near Minato's.

 

[Zexion~]

Which is irrelevant since he's fought:

-Hinata
-Choji and Choza
-SM Naruto
-KN6

So how is that evidence he reacts to someone faster than V2 Ay? :lol. It being a mental reaction doesn't mean he can react to everyone using it so why do you keep mentioning it? It's not like this point hasn't been addressed before.

V2 Ay almost blitzed Minato from 10-20m. (Probably closer to 10) Pain gets blitzed from the same exact range as Nagato's reactions are nowhere near Minato's.

-Kakashi
-KCM Naruto
-Itachi

Last two weren't really his reactions though.

V2 Ay wouldn't get within ten meters though as he could simply use ST whenver he tried.

The jutsu's range/reaction/activation time makes it near impossible to blitz through :lol.

Can't downplay his reactions because he's got trolled.

When we've seen a sick dead Itachi react to a lightning bolt with mental reactions.

Minato's were shown to be countered by ****ing base bee's who couldn't react to Nagato twice :lol

 

[Haizaki]

This guy has to be ridiculous..Using Itachi's activation of Susanoo as a reason for why Pain can activate ST and repel these speedsters. Not to mention this should mean Itachi can activate Susanoo before hit by Amaterasu? Since Ay dodge it? Not sure about Itachi's but that has 0 relevance here.


Minato was countered by Base B who was scared for Naruto when a slower V2 Ay activated Top speed or rather who was surprised when Naruto evaded it. So called Base Bee.

Not to mention let's assume Base B reacted, how does that apply to Nagato? Lol This suggest Nagato is superior to Minato...Reason why we have to constantly pray for our brethren.

 

[Zexion~]

This guy has to be ridiculous..Using Itachi's activation of Susanoo as a reason for why Pain can activate ST and repel these speedsters. Not to mention this should mean Itachi can activate Susanoo before hit by Amaterasu? Since Ay dodge it? Not sure about Itachi's but that has 0 relevance here.


Minato was countered by Base B who was scared for Naruto when a slower V2 Ay activated Top speed or rather who was surprised when Naruto evaded it. So called Base Bee.

Not to mention let's assume Base B reacted, how does that apply to Nagato? Lol This suggest Nagato is superior to Minato...Reason why we have to constantly pray for our brethren.

Since when has emotions been a top argument?

Bruh you need to stop trying to ruin my career and get one of your own, you're honestly ass.

Did I say Nagato reacted to Bee?

I said that Bee reacted to FTG but not ST , and that Nagato reacted to V2 Bee with preta.

#Hatersgetthegasmask

Please put me on the ignore list like you said, :lol honestly the effort you're putting in to get on my **** is astounding sorry bro my persona's a one person only thing :lol

 

[Haizaki]

Since when has emotions been a top argument?

Bruh you need to stop trying to ruin my career and get one of your own, you're honestly ass.

Did I say Nagato reacted to Bee?

I said that Bee reacted to FTG but not ST , and that Nagato reacted to V2 Bee with preta.

#Hatersgetthegasmask

Please put me on the ignore list like you said, :lol honestly the effort you're putting in to get on my **** is astounding sorry bro my persona's a one person only thing :lol

Back to the manga: 1. So..? Nagato was practically hit before he used Preta to weaken the technique, not applicable since he was hit already before he activated it. 2. Bee reacting to FTG that I already shat on? Read again what I said: Minato was countered by Base B who was scared for Naruto when a slower V2 Ay activated Top speed or rather who was surprised when Naruto evaded it. So called Base Bee shouldn't feel the same if it was something he could pull off easily. Besides this implies that Base B has better or equal reactions to KCM since he only evaded V2 Ay while the Base B according to you evaded a faster Minato. Bulltrash.


The underline even answers your bold. Then again I never even actually said you said so: "Not to mention let's assume Base B reacted, how does that apply to Nagato? Lol This suggest Nagato is superior to Minato...Reason why we have to constantly pray for our brethren." I debunked your comparison between Nagato and Minato because in any aspect of speed, they shouldn't be compared ever. Stupid claim to try and suggest B and Itachi did this so Nagato can when it's not his feat.

 

[Zexion~]

Back to the manga: 1. So..? Nagato was practically hit before he used Preta to weaken the technique, not applicable since he was hit already before he activated it. 2. Bee reacting to FTG that I already shat on? Read again what I said: Minato was countered by Base B who was scared for Naruto when a slower V2 Ay activated Top speed or rather who was surprised when Naruto evaded it. So called Base Bee shouldn't feel the same if it was something he could pull off easily. Besides this implies that Base B has better or equal reactions to KCM since he only evaded V2 Ay while the Base B according to you evaded a faster Minato. Bulltrash.


The underline even answers your bold. Then again I never even actually said you said so: "Not to mention let's assume Base B reacted, how does that apply to Nagato? Lol This suggest Nagato is superior to Minato...Reason why we have to constantly pray for our brethren." I debunked your comparison between Nagato and Minato because in any aspect of speed, they shouldn't be compared ever. Stupid claim to try and suggest B and Itachi did this so Nagato can when it's not his feat.

Again, being scared for someone else is probably the weakest argument you've ever had.

Re-read the manga and look what happened to kisame when he was hit by the same V2 Lariat :lol Then realize that Nagato wasn't actually hit with the force when he reacted.


The rest of your post makes no sense at all

I said Bee couldn't react to Nagato Twice (three times if you count the fall), Bee could react to Minato, Twice.

Just stay off my **** bro :lol you try so hard to come at me you make yourself seem stupid when you're really not. No good for you to try and insult me on things I never said.

 

[Haizaki]

Again, being scared for someone else is probably the weakest argument you've ever had.

Re-read the manga and look what happened to kisame when he was hit by the same V2 Lariat :lol Then realize that Nagato wasn't actually hit with the force when he reacted.


The rest of your post makes no sense at all

I said Bee couldn't react to Nagato Twice (three times if you count the fall), Bee could react to Minato, Twice.

Just stay off my **** bro :lol you try so hard to come at me you make yourself seem stupid when you're really not. No good for you to try and insult me on things I never said.

No clown. Base B witnessed what KCM Naruto did to Kisame and said the bottom emphasizing on his speed somewhat outright admitting inferiority

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and unlike Naruto, he couldn't stop a running Kisame afterwards. Hence him being scared for Naruto after he was fully aware of what he was capable of is something I can use to support my point..Just like how I talked about him being greatly surprised when Naruto evaded.. There's no need for me to explain why Base B is inferior by far in all category of speed.Unless I'm educating some who just started reading the Manga.

Stop making yourself look silly. Not to mention I'm not even saying Nagato cannot react to him, I'm responding to your speed claims and bad reasoning..When Kisame was hit with a lariat, this was supporting it making it much stronger

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. 2. Nagato already was hit but he was absorbing the cloak after lariat was used and whether he was hurt or not is unknown since Edo can regenerate anyways. Lariat said in the first panel with Nagato blasted off his feet and Preta being used in the next panel

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When did Base B not react to Nagato? That's nonsense if you're suggesting he could not react to Nagato but then react to Minato. The stupidity in this claim is beyond real.

 

[KidGamer65]

-Kakashi
-KCM Naruto
-Itachi

Last two weren't really his reactions though.

V2 Ay wouldn't get within ten meters though as he could simply use ST whenver he tried.

The jutsu's range/reaction/activation time makes it near impossible to blitz through :lol.

Can't downplay his reactions because he's got trolled.

When we've seen a sick dead Itachi react to a lightning bolt with mental reactions.

Minato's were shown to be countered by ****ing base bee's who couldn't react to Nagato twice :lol

Your post reeks of blatant wank for Nagato's reactions, and downplay of Minato again, and your little B, Minato, Nagato comparison literally makes zero sense.

1 and 3 are irrelevant as they are nowhere near V2 Ay in speed, and 2 never used Shunshin or even fought Nagato directly, so your point doesn't even stand. That's another thing I know I've addressed before, so you bringing it up again makes me chuckle to say the least.

As for the bold, Ay would get pushed back only if he was far away enough from the start. But then that leaves Nagato open for 5 seconds, giving Ay plenty of time for a counter attack if he's not pushed away far enough. Regardless, that's not a claim I'm here to argue or one I denied so I'm not going to drag it on.

That's Itachi, nor was he near death there. He was just fatigued. Either way, not Nagato's feat, not even close. Not to mention it's debatable whether or not he reacted to the bolt, or Sasuke's hand coming down considering lightning moves over 200,000 mph, and people who can blitz Itachi and, people faster than Itachi, don't move that fast.

And this statement:

Minato's were shown to be countered by ****ing base bee's who couldn't react to Nagato twice

Makes no sense and it's been addressed multiple times.

1. Stop this B reacted to Hiraishin BS. Minato teleported to him and held his Kunai above his head, he didn't go for the strike thus there was nothing to react to.

2. That is B, we are talking about Nagato.

3. Even if you had a point, that is B being mentally and physically fast enough to counter Minato's physical speed. Nothing to do with B being able to outspeed Minato's mental reaction, with his physical speed.

4. Nagato never blitzed B. Ever. :lol

Stop this Nagato overrating. He has no feat that'd let him react to KCM Naruto. I already know that you are arguing against this with these weak BS arguments because you have a hate for massive speed. I've already seen you try to downplay speed in the past.

 

[Zexion~]

Your post reeks of blatant wank for Nagato's reactions, and downplay of Minato again, and your little B, Minato, Nagato comparison literally makes zero sense.

1 and 3 are irrelevant as they are nowhere near V2 Ay in speed, and 2 never used Shunshin or even fought Nagato directly, so your point doesn't even stand. That's another thing I know I've addressed before, so you bringing it up again makes me chuckle to say the least.

As for the bold, Ay would get pushed back only if he was far away enough from the start. But then that leaves Nagato open for 5 seconds, giving Ay plenty of time for a counter attack if he's not pushed away far enough. Regardless, that's not a claim I'm here to argue or one I denied so I'm not going to drag it on.

That's Itachi, nor was he near death there. He was just fatigued. Either way, not Nagato's feat, not even close. Not to mention it's debatable whether or not he reacted to the bolt, or Sasuke's hand coming down considering lightning moves over 200,000 mph, and people who can blitz Itachi and, people faster than Itachi, don't move that fast.

And this statement:



Makes no sense and it's been addressed multiple times.

1. Stop this B reacted to Hiraishin BS. Minato teleported to him and held his Kunai above his head, he didn't go for the strike thus there was nothing to react to.

2. That is B, we are talking about Nagato.

3. Even if you had a point, that is B being mentally and physically fast enough to counter Minato's physical speed. Nothing to do with B being able to outspeed Minato's mental reaction, with his physical speed.

4. Nagato never blitzed B. Ever. :lol

Stop this Nagato overrating. He has no feat that'd let him react to KCM Naruto. I already know that you are arguing against this with these weak BS arguments because you have a hate for massive speed. I've already seen you try to downplay speed in the past.

What? When he reacted to save Ay even if it was a slower than normal FTG slash its still a feat and putting in a little extra force to pierce the shroud doesn't slow you that much.


-Couldn't react to ST

-Couldn't blitz Nagato quick enough to avoid absorption

-Couldn't use his Tentacles to stop Nagato from grabbing him (like he did against Minato) despite the fact that it would have been helpful

You couldn't dispute this claim in our debate and you can't here, why? BECAUSE ITS IN THE MANGA

Nagato can use ST on KCM Naruto :lol if you think he can Shunsin blitz Nagato/Pain without being hit by it from anywhere over 10 meters (even then....) which he'd never get that close anyways.

Especially when Naruto himself said that Nagato's MOVEMENTS (reactions) and strengths are alot better than Pain

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Nagato can't physically react to KCM but using an ST should be obviously available.

Show me proof of anything less then stellar mental reactions from Nagato :lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Since when is KM Naruto faster than v2 Ei?​

 

[KidGamer65]

What? When he reacted to save Ay even if it was a slower than normal FTG slash its still a feat and putting in a little extra force to pierce the shroud doesn't slow you that much.

Oh. :lol wrong time I was addressing. My bad, but this is also false for similar reasons.

-B's feat.
-Irrelevant to the discussion as it is Minato's mental reaction and Nagato's mental reaction we are talking about. Proving that Base B can outspeed Minato's physical reaction doesn't prove that Nagato can react faster than Minato can so please drop this nonsense argument.

Yes, it does slow him that much as he went from blitzing Obito to getting blocked by B from over 10 meters away. Minato has to pause before he strikes, while with Rasengan or a normal Kunai slash he strikes as soon as he appears.

"A little" :lol. The downplay is amazing with this one.

-Couldn't react to ST

Irrelevant as it is instant. Nothing to do with Nagato's speed.

-Couldn't blitz Nagato quick enough to avoid absorption

Irrelevant as that means Nagato can react to V2 B, doesn't mean he can react to KCM Naruto. Irrelevant as that shows Nagato reacting, it doesn't show B failing to react like you claimed.

-Couldn't use his Tentacles to stop Nagato from grabbing him (like he did against Minato) despite the fact that it would have been helpful

Unless his tentacles are capable of overpowering Asura Path, no, it wouldn't have been helpful.

You couldn't dispute this claim in our debate and you can't here, why? BECAUSE ITS IN THE MANGA

There is no claim to dispute. It's just pure wank at this point. Argument has been deflated over 5 times yet you still spam the same argument, for the simple fact that you have an irrational hate towards speed related argumentation. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Nagato can use ST on KCM Naruto :lol if you think he can Shunsin blitz Nagato/Pain without being hit by it from anywhere over 10 meters (even then....) which he'd never get that close anyways.

Your assumption with zero evidence behind it.

Especially when Naruto himself said that Nagato's MOVEMENTS (reactions) and strengths are alot better than Pain

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Nagato can't physically react to KCM but using an ST should be obviously available.

Show me proof of anything less then stellar mental reactions from Nagato :lol

:lol Are you kidding me with this BS? Nagato's MOVEMENTS are physical. Reaction in the context of our argument is MENTAL. So that is an irrelevant point.

Nagato can't react to KCM Naruto from 10-15m period. Evidence has been provided and all you can do is list irrelevant occurrences that you think prove your point.

Spoiler

1. You claim that B failed to react to Nagato.

-Cited an example where Nagato reacted to B as evidence. :lol
-Cited an example where Shinra Tensei hit B, which is independent of Nagato's speed bar it's activation.
-Cited another example where Nagato reacted to B w/ Asura Path, not an example where B failed to react to Nagato like you claimed.

2. You claim that B reacting to Minato's attack makes his mental reaction>Minato's.

-Cited an example where Minato's following strike was purposely slowed down due to the nature of the attack.
-Cited an example that would prove (if you were even correct) that B's tentacle>Minato's physical slowed down Hiraishin attack. Has nothing to do with Minato's mental reactions.

Please stop. You make no sense.

Nagato doesn't react to Naruto from that range just because you say so. This is literally the same BS you pulled in the debate. Good thing about it here is that I'm not limited to 3 posts.