Pain vs KCM Naruto

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What makes you think Pain can make a condensed CST? He needed to shut off all his paths to use a huge one. If Pain tries to condense such an attack it'll require him to use more time to pull it off, which leaves him open for Naruto to interrupt him in the middle of prep.

What? He needed to shut down the paths to grant the power needed to create that much force, if anything it should take even less time as instead of gathering the force then laying it out over a wide area, he just has to gather enough force and use it like a normal ST on one person, even without hitting the ground it would basically crush you.
 

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Oh Jesus Christ...I don't think I've seen a post this bad before at least from anyone in the 1- 4 Tier section. Incoming post.

Pretty sure most of his points are right.

KCM is all chakra, has no way of taking down preta path, plus he's already been shown to be caught off guard via the chameleon.

You do realize that you are essentially saying that Preta Path solos KCM Naruto. :lol And the chameleon thing is a completely different scenario altogether.
 

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Pretty sure most of his points are right.

Just let him be :lol but goodlooks bro.


You do realize that you are essentially saying that Preta Path solos KCM Naruto. :lol And the chameleon thing is a completely different scenario altogether.

I dont think he can solo because I mean he can't keep it up forever obviously :lol I meant just during the whole dusk cloud scenario.

I don't see why in different circumstances he'd be able to sense it? With clones he could obviously react to it I was just stating for a temporary bind it may be useful.
 

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I dont think he can solo because I mean he can't keep it up forever obviously :lol I meant just during the whole dusk cloud scenario.

I don't see why in different circumstances he'd be able to sense it? With clones he could obviously react to it I was just stating for a temporary bind it may be useful.

Alright, I figured as much though.

Nah. That only worked because Naruto had no idea it was summoned in the first place, thus wasn't wary of it. And he wasn't aware because he was busy talking to Itachi. He'll see it be summoned and will either:

-Call the Elder Toads to locate it.
-Make a Sage Clone and have it locate the chameleon.


OT: Naruto can win, but CST is the only issue. If he manages to get Pain while he's shutting off the bodies then he can win, if not he gets flattened. CT can be obliterated by multiple FRS in their early stages, and taking out the paths bar Deva shouldn't be too challenging since they'd all have to rely on Deva Path or Preta Path to save them from Naruto's attacks, and Preta Path can be taken down via SM Taijutsu w/ an SM clone. Then there's the fact that if he gets close, none will react to his Shunshin.
 

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Alright, I figured as much though.

Nah. That only worked because Naruto had no idea it was summoned in the first place, thus wasn't wary of it. And he wasn't aware because he was busy talking to Itachi. He'll see it be summoned and will either:

-Call the Elder Toads to locate it.
-Make a Sage Clone and have it locate the chameleon.


OT: Naruto can win, but CST is the only issue. If he manages to get Pain while he's shutting off the bodies then he can win, if not he gets flattened. CT can be obliterated by multiple FRS in their early stages, and taking out the paths bar Deva shouldn't be too challenging since they'd all have to rely on Deva Path or Preta Path to save them from Naruto's attacks, and Preta Path can be taken down via SM Taijutsu w/ an SM clone. Then there's the fact that if he gets close, none will react to his Shunshin.

Was assuming it was pure KCM Naruto XD

But yeah basically this, although I thought he saw it was summoned here

Animal path could always move away from the fighting, but yeah its not very necesary.
 

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Was assuming it was pure KCM Naruto XD

But yeah basically this, although I thought he saw it was summoned here

Animal path could always move away from the fighting, but yeah its not very necesary.

:lol Point there, but he was still preoccupied.
 

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dude everyone knews zex wont debate me 1v1 on this exact topic (pain vs kcm naruto) i swear to shit z loser leaves nb i already been saying i got this shit in the bag if you decline we know you just a fufu ***** lame boy who jerks his friends off

oh shit bring the heat!

dude i would thrash him in this debate i debated his ass before and ill murk his lame wannabe 3 different dudes on a naruto forum ass over and over agaim lml

oh man sounds like the challenge was accepted im making the thread rn!!!!!




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What? He needed to shut down the paths to grant the power needed to create that much force, if anything it should take even less time as instead of gathering the force then laying it out over a wide area, he just has to gather enough force and use it like a normal ST on one person, even without hitting the ground it would basically crush you.
I'm confused. Are you trying to say that Pain only needs to condense a normal ST to hit Naruto with it, or Pain needs to condense a CST and hit Naruto with it? A condensed ST is going to do nothing to Naruto, and a condensed CST requires a greater amount of prep than a normal CST, which leaves Pain open to get interrupted.
 

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I'm confused. Are you trying to say that Pain only needs to condense a normal ST to hit Naruto with it, or Pain needs to condense a CST and hit Naruto with it? A condensed ST is going to do nothing to Naruto, and a condensed CST requires a greater amount of prep than a normal CST, which leaves Pain open to get interrupted.

CST, and why are you saying this? :lol its the same amount of power/force but with less range.

@DK what are you doing .-.
 

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CST, and why are you saying this? :lol its the same amount of power/force but with less range.

@DK what are you doing .-.
So you think Pain can use a condensed CST without prep>= to a normal cst? :lol
The only reason CST was that huge is because of its power. Its range comes with its power.
 

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So you think Pain can use a condensed CST without prep>= to a normal cst? :lol
The only reason CST was that huge is because of its power. Its range comes with its power.

Makes no sense

Apply a force over a greater area and its weakened on the individual targets it hits, its just striking MORE targets. Condense it so ALL the force is being applied in one single area and its the same power just applied on one thing. Its prep would be equal to it.
 

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:lol my man someone else must be using your account, you're usually not bad by any means but these points are ridiuclous.

Whatever.

-All preta has to do is leave the jutsu activated, he doesn't have to react :lol anything would be absorbed.

That's a constant waste of chakra. Besides if Pretta is such a case then Naruto gives him the Animal Path treatment when Dust cloud is up . Not to mention Ninjutsu isn't the only case since Naruto's physical strength is strong enough to shatter rocks .

-Why would KCM Naruto randomly summon the toads when he doesn't even know the chameleon is activated invisible means he can't see it :lol

He'll start with Ma and Pa especially with intel. Don't bother with the Chameleon point. Dealt with and a non factor...Not to mention he has full intel so he'll be wary of every thing Pain has in his arsenal. No reason why he they won't check to find it.

-He reacted to it because he saw Naruto's arm extending backwards :lol not to mention it wasn't going at a thrown speed as it was flying away from him still. He was preocupied with avoiding that one and wasn't aware Naruto would catch it and hit him with it, had nothing to do with blitzing.

So this is it? We're going to deny Naruto's feat of blitzing the Third despite it being clear. No problem..If you're going to act like FRS was the reason for the distraction then Naruto employs 2 clones to distract him and he gets blitzed. Not a case.

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If you still don't get it nothing more I can say.

Once again I'm going to ask you to read what I'm saying carefully...Naruto was already on the battlefield(The same exact one) . He summoned it while on the battlefield so I see no reason why he won't repeat the same thing. Databook here only states:

Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu (Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique)
Name: Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu, ๅฃๅฏ„ใ›ใƒปๅฑ‹ๅฐๅดฉใ—ใฎ่ก“, literally "Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique"
Type: B-rank, Offensive, All ranges
Users: Jiraiya
The user summons a huge toad to crash upon the target

He summoned it above the target. If you're saying he has to be on the head, then he'll just do exactly what he did there...Especially when he was previously right there with B.

-Multiple FRS from clones? Do you have proof that every clones jutsu wouldn't be weakened? If they all could pull it off I suppose it work, doubtful that they can.

With a Bijuu chakra and considering the fact that every clone has half his chakra. Considering that with even half the chakra his clone had the chakra to use a BD and the powerful Jutsus it showed while engaging Madara. What's your point?

Not even going to adress you using BM feats in a KCM mode debate :lol

Then he uses this . Doesn't give the orb the ability to tank it.

What? Its a jutsu that simulates a natural disaster Madara stated "That should have cleaned up a bit" as in get rid of the fodders :lol and was subsequently suprised when Naruto decided to bless them with chakra cloaks. The fact that the fodder were left standing with shitty cloaks is enough to prove the attack isn't that devestating, in relative terms.

And? It's destructive force > CST. Madara statement was in response to the technique wiping them which was why he was surprised when they got up. Hence why he instantly put on his V3 when it was about to start . Lol not sure what you're saying with him being surprised when the alliance previously had the cloak before that (Notice Kurama's emphasis on Tenpechii too) . Only reason they were fine was because of the cloak and I don't believe Katsuyu is more durable than that cloak.

Oh and one more thing...Deva isn't going to use CST when he has has Paths there. Last time they had to be summoned out of the battlefield

KCM Naruto was worried about Nukite if you think that the force capable of decimating a village condensed onto one person will be tanked by the KCM which was getting batterd by a mere Biju attack -

You're insane :lol

And so..? V3 >>Katusuyu and the Cloak in term of durability and Nukite would get right past it so what's your point. Hachibi was battered by some Bijuu attacks from what I recall but still survived a Bijuudama. What's your point? Not to mention I countered CST already.

Not saying Pain wins, just saying he has no counter to CST

I already provided one before and a new one.

Nagato wins mid diff though.

It's 6POP not him.

Pretty sure most of his points are right.
Like which one..?
 
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Pain wins. Although this distance isn't helpful for him.
 

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Like which one..?

The 3rd Raikage and CST points (though I guess I shouldn't say most though, just one, which is one of the most important ones :lol) are correct, especially the latter. The first is pointless to argue about anyway since Naruto would be capable of landing FRS w/ Shunshin on the 3rd w/o any distractions regardless of him doing so or not in the Manga.

But as for CST......

1. If CST isn't used in a widespread manner and he focuses it's power in one direction, it deals far more damage than what it did in canon. Naruto would get obliterated.

2. Tenpenchii is far stronger than CST, but far more widespread as well thus tanking it isn't even that great a feat in the grand scheme of things let alone when comparing it to a focused CST.
 

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The 3rd Raikage and CST points (though I guess I shouldn't say most though, just one, which is one of the most important ones :lol) are correct, especially the latter. The first is pointless to argue about anyway since Naruto would be capable of landing FRS w/ Shunshin on the 3rd w/o any distractions regardless of him doing so or not in the Manga.

Ok...Though I don't know if you saw what led to it which was the Preta being unable to react. Rest assured I dealt with the overall point as Preta was his standing argument.

Plus I believe we're pretty much on the same page with the bold.

But as for CST......

1. If CST isn't used in a widespread manner and he focuses it's power in one direction, it deals far more damage than what it did in canon. Naruto would get obliterated.

2. Tenpenchii is far stronger than CST, but far more widespread as well thus tanking it isn't even that great a feat in the grand scheme of things let alone when comparing it to a focused CST.

Alright this does make sense as I was imagining the way it was in canon which was why I mentioned Katsuyu. Though I believe I dropped a counter regarding the Paths: "Oh and one more thing...Deva isn't going to use CST when he has has Paths there. Last time they had to be summoned out of the battlefield meaning IC Deva won't be doing so in this scenario " Plus if he's consistently engaged by clones, you think he'll eventually be able to release it?
 

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Ok...Though I don't know if you saw what led to it which was the Preta being unable to react. Rest assured I dealt with the overall point as Preta was his standing argument.

Plus I believe we're pretty much on the same page with the bold.



Alright this does make sense as I was imagining the way it was in canon which was why I mentioned Katsuyu. Though I believe I dropped a counter regarding the Paths: "Oh and one more thing...Deva isn't going to use CST when he has has Paths there. Last time they had to be summoned out of the battlefield meaning IC Deva won't be so in this scenario " Plus if he's consistently engaged by clones, you think he'll eventually be able to release it?

Yeah, if it was the traditional way then you might have a point. As for the rest, I agree that Naruto can take him out due to what Nagato actually has to do before he releases CST.
 

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Yeah, if it was the traditional way then you might have a point. As for the rest, I agree that Naruto can take him out due to what Nagato actually has to do before he releases CST.

Agreed.
 

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What can Naruto do if Pain launches himself upwards with Asura and deactivates the paths.


He wouldn't have to remove the paths if he condenses the CST.....
 

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What can Naruto do if Pain launches himself upwards with Asura and deactivates the paths.

You think Naruto who has tons load of Kage level clones would just be there when Pain launches himself with Asura.

He wouldn't have to remove the paths if he condenses the CST.....

Which mean Naruto may necessarily not be affected in that case since he'll have to factor in his Paths who Naruto may be engaging.

Besides if one has the speed and is fast to attack, they can potentially bypass the speed in which Deva releases ST as he particularly comments on their speed here before he reacts with ST
 
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