Pain is stronger than Hashirama and Madara in their first fight.

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-Genjutsu can't be absorbed. That makes no damn sense.

-No one ever mentioned Genjutsu nor is it a factor here.

You can moan and cry about how Rinnegan>EMS but the simple fact is, this kills Nagato with no effort at all. That is one of the only arguments Nagato fans have for him beating Alive Madara, Rinnegan>EMS even though feats say Madara>Nagato by far.

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Nagato gets destroyed. Mid diff is the highest it'll go.

I agree with you, but shinra tensei...?

 

[Sageof7Path]

-Genjutsu can't be absorbed. That makes no damn sense.

-No one ever mentioned Genjutsu nor is it a factor here.

You can moan and cry about how Rinnegan>EMS but the simple fact is, this kills Nagato with no effort at all. That is one of the only arguments Nagato fans have for him beating Alive Madara, Rinnegan>EMS even though feats say Madara>Nagato by far.

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Nagato gets destroyed. Mid diff is the highest it'll go.

Also if you wanna go by feats then Nagato owns Madara LOL Madara when he fought Hashirama had absolutely no feats at all besides controlling the 9 tailed fox and achieving EMS other than that all he's know for is getting owned by Hashirama every time they fought. Nagato destroyed the leaf village mastared his rinnegan controlled the akatsuki captured several tailed beast and defeated jiryaa and everyone in the leaf village in his 6 paths of pain form which isn't even his strongest.

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree with you, but shinra tensei...?

He can block the first but he can't block the second due to the 5 second interval, forget that. He'll need CST in order to block a swing with enough force that it destroys two distant Mountains.

 

[Aya San]

I agree with you, but shinra tensei...?

Good thing PS has 2 swords

 

[Sageof7Path]

this thread is still going on?

are you all stoned like me or something?

How does EMS madara +hashirama lose to pain or nagato?

Its overkill


EMS Madara is slowly starting to get underated and know i see hashirama is too


Team 2 low diff ^ above said it best mid at the very best for nagato

I didn't say EMS Madara Plus Hashirama you need to pay attention.

 

[KidGamer65]

Also if you wanna go by feats then Nagato owns Madara LOL Madara when he fought Hashirama had absolutely no feats at all besides controlling the 9 tailed fox and achieving EMS other than that all he's know for is getting owned by Hashirama every time they fought. Nagato destroyed the leaf village mastared his rinnegan controlled the akatsuki captured several tailed beast and defeated jiryaa and everyone in the leaf village in his 6 paths of pain form which isn't even his strongest.

That is PS, which is Madara's feat, which he used at the VoTE. [

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So no, going by feats Madara destroys Nagato, even worse if I factor in Kurama, which I'm not even going to bother doing. Without Kurama its mid at best, with Kurama its a god stomp.

The marked part of your post is completely irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that PS shits on him, end of story.

 

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He can block the first but he can't block the second due to the 5 second interval, forget that. He'll need CST in order to block a swing with enough force that it destroys two distant Mountains.

Well Nagato isn't just going to stand there and let him hit him. That would be a point in time where he summoned something to move him. In example; the chameleon. It has enough speed to evade Madara(Especially if Hashirama was evading this sword no difficulty).

 

[Sageof7Path]

The PS swords slashs speed is also pretty damn fast, I don't see how Nagato has enough physical durability to stand mountain busting shit (well sorta) ...since technically the sword slash is not ninjustsu so he isn't countering shit, nor does Nagato have the speed to outpace the slash.

Anyways dude ur being a fanboy if u think he takes both on and beats them, Madara is debatable if u restrict PS, otherwise he gets LOL raped. It's been done, and it's boring.

Actually it is ninjutsu techanacilly nothing it's ninjutsu just like every power that comes from EMS which can be ABSORBED not countered by the rinnegan. Did you see how fast Naruto's rasen shurikan came at Madara when Madara just absorbed it?

 

[KidGamer65]

Well Nagato isn't just going to stand there and let him hit him. That would be a point in time where he summoned something to move him. In example; the chameleon. It has enough speed to evade Madara(Especially if Hashirama was evading this sword no difficulty).

-Hashirama never evaded Madara's attack, he caught the blade with Hotei no Jutsu, it got cut, and then ran away from PS Kurama.

-The Chameleon has little to no speed feats, it is not evading PS's attack, which is executed quickly and has a large AoE that was capable of destroying that Mountain Range and those Mountains, Nagato has nowhere to run before it hits.

 

[Smd]

I agree with you, but shinra tensei...?

looking at your ava i thought you were ballerjordan

EMS madara can't beat rinnegan Nagato and Hashirama has a chance but it's highly unlikely.

I didn't say EMS Madara Plus Hashirama you need to pay attention.

above says otherwise.

you need to be more clear in your op

 

[Sageof7Path]

That is PS, which is Madara's feat, which he used at the VoTE. [

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So no, going by feats Madara destroys Nagato, even worse if I factor in Kurama, which I'm not even going to bother doing. Without Kurama its mid at best, with Kurama its a god stomp.

The marked part of your post is completely irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that PS shits on him, end of story.

Kurama isn't even Madara Uchihas power but don't even include tailed beast because now you're just becoming desperate because Madara doesn't have any feats prior to or during his fight with Hashirama that can compete with Nagatos. If you can give Madara the 9 tails you might as well give Nagato a bunch of others because he captured most of them.

 

[minatofan234]

who says nagato is going to let madara use PS it takes a while for him to bring an entire susanoo then he has to stabilize it, by that time nagato bansho tennins him and absorbs his soul

 

[Sageof7Path]

looking at your ava i thought you were ballerjordan





above says otherwise.

you need to be more clear in your op

Everyone understood except for you again please pay attention.

 

[Sageof7Path]

who says nagato is going to let madara use PS it takes a while for him to bring an entire susanoo then he has to stabilize it, by that time nagato bansho tennins him and absorbs his soul

They think Nagato is just going to sit and let Madara use every technique that can easily be absorbed by the rinnegan.

 

[Xlad]

Nagato has a seconds interval every time he uses Almighty Push. Within that interval, Madara or Hashirama can strike him down.

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[P3ĮÑ]

Actually it is ninjutsu techanacilly nothing it's ninjutsu just like every power that comes from EMS which can be ABSORBED not countered by the rinnegan.

No, no it's not, it was a shockwave created by the PS sword when swung, it was not ninjustsu, ur saying the shockwave was ninjustsu? Not making any sense here? So ur saying ichigo's sword swing which busted a hill with a shockwave is a technique? Or relates to his energy source? No it's not since it's made from sending out force. Nothing ninjustsu related happened.

Did you see how fast Naruto's rasen shurikan came at Madara when Madara just absorbed it?

And what does this have to do with anything. The PS sword slash seems way more faster anyway, u can cleary see the Tip of the sword being blurred and how quickly the shockwave hit the mountains in a short time frame, not one but two.

 

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Everyone understood except for you again please pay attention.

kids i cant read your busted mind.

you said this in op

"EMS madara can't beat rinnegan Nagato and Hashirama has a chance but it's highly unlikely."

makes it seem like this is a versu thread, makes it seem like its EMS madara+ hashirama versu nagato.


Once again you need to be more clearly in your op, people shouldnt have to decihper what you meant.

either way


Nagato doesnt beat either one.

 

[Sageof7Path]

Nagato has a seconds interval every time he uses Almighty Push. Within that interval, Madara or Hashirama can strike him down.

If they can get past some of Nagato's animals.

 

[Aya San]

who says nagato is going to let madara use PS it takes a while for him to bring an entire susanoo then he has to stabilize it, by that time nagato bansho tennins him and absorbs his soul

U r really dumb

 

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-Hashirama never evaded Madara's attack, he caught the blade with Hotei no Jutsu, it got cut, and then ran away from PS Kurama.

-The Chameleon has little to no speed feats, it is not evading PS's attack, which is executed quickly and has a large AoE that was capable of destroying that Mountain Range and those Mountains, Nagato has nowhere to run before it hits.

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Hashirama caught the first attack, then proceeded to run around as Kurama spun around slashing the sword at him while he summoned more and more mokuton.

If shinra tensei is still pushing Madara back he has a chance. Not even to mention if he summoned one of his dogs to catch the sword(if it's hit it just multiplies), that would give him time enough to escape. I'm not trying to defend Nagato but he does have a few counters to Madara.