OVERATED Kabuto

[Narutosixpaths]

Alright if you love Kabuto he's your favorite go ahead post, but don't post just

hating on the thread post reasons for him not being overated, and actual

points against it. Now people threads have sprouted up that Kabuto, Is the

most powerful, or Kabuto possess the power of the sage, but people need to

step back and think. Look Kabuto possess intelligence, yes not the smartest

tactician or thinker in Naruto by a long shot though, Shikaku and Shikamaru

have first and runner up filled. Next solid Medical Ninja, yes he is take that

even though it does nothing really to back up Kabuto being as amazing as so

many think. Next he has a broken IWR jutsu as others have mentioned. Also

if you look back his IWR isn't very powerful either, he has so many summons

that there not very effective opponents who raised hell and were incredibly

difficult to beat in the past are dropping like stones. Next you say he posses

the power of the Sage another wrong one.... While Controlling Itachi and

Nagato, you would at the most gain the Ocular Jutsu of the Sage not all of his

power, the sage not only had all his ocular powers, but ridiculous Chakra, the

6 paths which at the moment as far as I know theres only speculation not

confirmation of any paths accept I believe Nagatos rinnengan, and the Sage

had the Jubi the combination of all Bijus. Now Kabutos control of Itachi and

Nagato, pales very much so in comparison to that. Next we can say alright

he's infused his DNA/Chakra with Orochimarus, if we look at the level of

power the best are in the war thats a joke, while he might pose hell for the

standard soldiers or secondarys, a main character like Naruto, Sasuke,

Madara, maybe Kakashi, Gara would wipe his snake @SS. So really all we

have is that he's a good medic, and maybe the equivalent of Orochimaru

replacement. Everyones over hyping his 6th coffin as well. While it may pose

someone formidable, they still doubtfully will be as strong as they were when

they lived, as has been the trend with countless others, and he did not

obviously force Madara, or have him totally at his becking, as Madara was

totally prepared to Fight Kabuto if he didn't reveal the secrets behind IWR.

Thanks that's what I wanted to say let me know if theres anything I missed,

if you just agree, and if you disagree bring reasoning to back it up, I didn't

post any evidence at the moment with this, but if you feel I have totally

unbacked up points tell me and evidence will come with it. Oh yea and sorry

for the length. xd

 

[Gildarts Clive]

srry dude too lazy to read it but i agree 4 sure

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

He also outsmarted a whole squadron of people, managed to kidnap Yamato, and is still full of surprises plus an unnamed jutsu.

He is also (somewhat) planning to go up against the Rinnegan. Stating he had "plenty up his sleeve."

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He's also in control of the strongest undead army ever...

Orochimaru's summons didn't **** shit up either, they were also taken away fairly quickly.

 

[Narutosixpaths]

He also outsmarted a whole squadron of people, managed to kidnap Yamato, and is still full of surprises plus an unnamed jutsu.

He is also (somewhat) planning to go up against the Rinnegan. Stating he had "plenty up his sleeve."

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He's also in control of the strongest undead army ever...

Orochimaru's summons didn't **** shit up either, they were also taken away fairly quickly.

Well somewhat, we don't know any method he plans yet, his undead army is actually the first we've ever seen and there undead summons, are not near as powerful as they were during life, up his sleeve I wouldn't doubt it I don't say Kabuto isn't tricky or sneaky he's just not near the way people picture him to be threads that have popped up have over praised him riducoulously. Yamato, is a weaker version of the first barely a fraction of him, so that isn't very impressive to me, out smarting the squadron I will just give you, but honestly I gave him credit for intelligence and tactness, he's just not the best at it by a longshot as I said, and as for Orochimarus, they cost the third Hokage his life, and he only took those two down by using the Death Reaper Seal, so I'd say that's up there if he had to go that far to take them down.

 

[dwilson81]

Double spacing.......I wanted to read this cause it seems interested but my cataracts started acting up and I got a headache....

if you edit it so it's more eye friendly I'd love to read it and share some thoughts.

just break it into small paragraphs or something.

 

[enthaim]

I don't "love" Kabuto, but I must say that I am loving how he's come up since being oro's tool. That's a pretty big leap if you ask me. Plus, his father was renown in the medical field. He has gone a long way since being Kakashi's equal. He nearly defeated Tsunade. Then there's that diabolical streak that has even Madara on edge. He may be one of if not the highest villain in the series if this keeps up.

 

[MilleniumStorm4]

u cant expect him to control as many as he does and for them to be the strongest...kabuto is plenty strong and to keep madara from killing him and getting him to work with him is a pretty good accomplishment

 

[Revan]

well we have seen during ino-shika-choji+kakashi vs hidan and kakazu how much tactical thinking is worth and although i think that shikamaru might outsmart kaboro, i doubt that that's momentarily something many others could do. in addition to that and in difference to the other good tacticians in naruto, he is strong.

maybe he lacks the sheer brute force of madara, sasuke or naruto, but if he's half as persistent as oro was, that will be enough to hit with whatever he needs to hit with. he is patient and his abilities in researching give him the counter for whatever he fights.

I personally dont like him, but i think that he is one of the most dangerous villains so far because in difference to the other villains he is clever.

 

[BarBoBot]

name 1 living character that can beat Kabuto AND ALL HIS SUMMONS

The answer is no one, and Im not even a Kabuto fan...

Kabuto+pain+itachi+kakuzu+previous jinchuriki+previous Kages+ secret coffin+all his other random summons=OVERPOWERED

Kabuto with all his summons can pwn any other single character.......he is currently fighting THE ENTIRE SHINOBI ALLIANCE....

 

[Narutosixpaths]

name 1 living character that can beat Kabuto AND ALL HIS SUMMONS

The answer is no one, and Im not even a Kabuto fan...

Kabuto+pain+itachi+kakuzu+previous jinchuriki+previous Kages+ secret coffin+all his other random summons=OVERPOWERED

Kabuto with all his summons can pwn any other single character.......he is currently fighting THE ENTIRE SHINOBI ALLIANCE....

Well if your going to play like that.... Naruto with all of his toads including sage toads can make it atleast intersting spamming RS mode. Plus lots of these people are breaking hold of it and getting themselves killed. Also he's not fighting all the Shinobi alliance, you have to factor in the 100,000 zetsu clones......... and the fact that "HIS SUMMONS ARE FIGHTING IT" it'd be like the sage toads and gamabunta fighting for Naruto not the same...

 

[leafeater]

Well if your going to play like that.... Naruto with all of his toads including sage toads can make it atleast intersting spamming RS mode. Plus lots of these people are breaking hold of it and getting themselves killed. Also he's not fighting all the Shinobi alliance, you have to factor in the 100,000 zetsu clones......... and the fact that "HIS SUMMONS ARE FIGHTING IT" it'd be like the sage toads and gamabunta fighting for Naruto not the same...

I hate to say this, but Kabuto would counter, assuming he has the chakra, with his snakes like Manda v.2. Please do not mistake this for taking sides, I'm acting more as a fact checker, I want nothing to do with the debate. I've already spoken my mind in another thread.

 

[Escorpiius]

Well, if we see back the whole series, I prefer Oro as the main villain and Madara's character is getting a bit boring for me. I'm missing Oro's mannerisms and Kabuto seem to be having all of his creepiness in him. I prefer that Kabuto becomes the ultimate villain.

As for skills, I doubt that he's overrated. He seems to be havin' many plans to back-up his initial objective unlike Oro who just wanted the Sharingan. He's seeking the Sage's power and he's playing his cards relatively well. No one is really over hyping his powers or 6th coffin but that coffin is the only thing yet who made Madara scared...
His IWR is the evilest jutsu existing. It may be seen that it's not as powerful as the summons are slowly getting defeated but if he were to face Naruto or Kakashi or Sasuke, imagine that he brings out of all of his summoning next to him.

Given that surprisingly Naruto is able to defeat 2 great ninjas, even more some like Itachi, Nagato...since they are weaker than they were due to IWR, single-handedly. Imagine Naruto to after that face all Jinchuurikis, other great ninjas then, some other who Kabuto didn't summon yet and even the 6th Coffin and if needed, kabuto himself.
Agreed that Naruto is more powerful but this one jutsu (IWR) makes it really problematic if not impossible for him to win...

 

[McAfeezy]

Kabuto is pretty Bad-Ass

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

Kabuto's not over-rated, in the slightest. he's just interesting b/c we dont know his motives, or his power
Itachi: over-rated
btw, why did double space so many times?

 

[Avani]

Well, if we see back the whole series, I prefer Oro as the main villain and Madara's character is getting a bit boring for me. I'm missing Oro's mannerisms and Kabuto seem to be having all of his creepiness in him. I prefer that Kabuto becomes the ultimate villain.

As for skills, I doubt that he's overrated. He seems to be havin' many plans to back-up his initial objective unlike Oro who just wanted the Sharingan. He's seeking the Sage's power and he's playing his cards relatively well. No one is really over hyping his powers or 6th coffin but that coffin is the only thing yet who made Madara scared...
His IWR is the evilest jutsu existing. It may be seen that it's not as powerful as the summons are slowly getting defeated but if he were to face Naruto or Kakashi or Sasuke, imagine that he brings out of all of his summoning next to him.

Given that surprisingly Naruto is able to defeat 2 great ninjas, even more some like Itachi, Nagato...since they are weaker than they were due to IWR, single-handedly. Imagine Naruto to after that face all Jinchuurikis, other great ninjas then, some other who Kabuto didn't summon yet and even the 6th Coffin and if needed, kabuto himself.
Agreed that Naruto is more powerful but this one jutsu (IWR) makes it really problematic if not impossible for him to win...

I agree for the most part against a single person it will be too much. But, he needs a human sacrifice etc first to start Edo tensie and he is using Anko at the moment.. I'm not sure about this particular tech. Off course, One on one too he was never a weak opponant either. He managed to survive direct impact of rasengan. So, Kabuto's fight will be interesting. None but, Sasuke, Naruto or Madara himself would be facing him finally I think...

 

[BarBoBot]

Well if your going to play like that.... Naruto with all of his toads including sage toads can make it atleast intersting spamming RS mode. Plus lots of these people are breaking hold of it and getting themselves killed. Also he's not fighting all the Shinobi alliance, you have to factor in the 100,000 zetsu clones......... and the fact that "HIS SUMMONS ARE FIGHTING IT" it'd be like the sage toads and gamabunta fighting for Naruto not the same...

so what "his summons are fighting it"???

Are you saying we have to ignore all the summons that kabuto has shown he can summon?

Is that not HIS ability?

and your naruto scenario is flawed. Naruto has never summoned ALL of the toads at one time, let alone all at the same time. We dont even know if he knows how....but you take issue with summons that kabuto has already summened AT ONE TIME....

did i mention Kabuto is able to do all that safely in his hidden little hideout?

By the time you find Kabuto, you have faced ALL his summons....

like I said before, No single living character can beat Kabuto with all his summons.

I dont even like Kabuto, but the fact is that he is completly overpowered.

 

[Inch]

He's more powerful then Orochimaru.. And he has access to the most powerful shinobi ever to die. Not overrated.

 

[CasualMisfit]

To say that the summons are weaker than when they were alive is unfounded assumption... Do you forget that the numbers they face are far greater than when they were alive? And we can't assume that all nameless ninja are weak or low ranked... just because they weren't given a mention... You can't count Zabuza or Haku as they have not grown in strength since they died and Kakashi has... being alive and all... So it makes sense that they would be taken out easily

In the case of Sasori... he was brought back without all his tools... including his own puppet body... If he was... then all manner of hell would be let lose on the ambush party...

I AM a Kabuto fan and I will admit... that with the summons... he has gained an extreme power boost depending on which summons he uses... but without them... he wouldn't be nearly as formidable... I do still believe he is now in the top tier even without the summons however...

 

[leafeater]

so what "his summons are fighting it"???

Are you saying we have to ignore all the summons that kabuto has shown he can summon?

Is that not HIS ability?

and your naruto scenario is flawed. Naruto has never summoned ALL of the toads at one time, let alone all at the same time. We dont even know if he knows how....but you take issue with summons that kabuto has already summened AT ONE TIME....

did i mention Kabuto is able to do all that safely in his hidden little hideout?

By the time you find Kabuto, you have faced ALL his summons....

like I said before, No single living character can beat Kabuto with all his summons.

I dont even like Kabuto, but the fact is that he is completly overpowered.

You might want to mention that Naruto knows no sealing jutsu aside from some of those for a Jinchuuriki, so even if he "kills" an Edo Tensei, they'll just get back up. IWR is broken currently in my opinion, the manga won't end with Kabuto winning it all, so he will lose and become weaker with time relative to Naruto and Sasuke.

The reason IWR is this way is for plot reasons allowing Kishimoto to introduce some new chacters for backstory (e.g. KinGin brothers) as well as completing inter-character development (e.g. Asuma, his platoon; Hanzou and Mifune; etc.). I suppose once those plot reasons are gone, Kabuto may be written to look a whole lot more vulnerable, or at least IWR. One possibility I have is whether Kabuto will simply use up too many bodies in the war and/or too valuable ones.

For people that have a huge issue, they need to let the manga play out. Does anyone remember what we went through on NB forums with Itachi's Susanoo and spiritual items or Nagato when first seen? Every jutsu has a weakness, and no jutsu is perfect regardless of appearances or comments. If villains had crap for jutsu, it'd be boring to defeat them.

Just some thoughts, no need to overreact.

 

[Narutosixpaths]

To say that the summons are weaker than when they were alive is unfounded assumption... Do you forget that the numbers they face are far greater than when they were alive? And we can't assume that all nameless ninja are weak or low ranked... just because they weren't given a mention... You can't count Zabuza or Haku as they have not grown in strength since they died and Kakashi has... being alive and all... So it makes sense that they would be taken out easily

In the case of Sasori... he was brought back without all his tools... including his own puppet body... If he was... then all manner of hell would be let lose on the ambush party...

I AM a Kabuto fan and I will admit... that with the summons... he has gained an extreme power boost depending on which summons he uses... but without them... he wouldn't be nearly as formidable... I do still believe he is now in the top tier even without the summons however...

No let's not say that.... my assumption is definently founded Kakuzu, was facing greater numbers before then what he fought when defeated.... Hanzo fought all 3 of the sanin in their primes, and lived fine and he was defeated by Mifune, the problem is his summons are too great in number and spread across the battle field... now if they were more concentrated, and all broke into mindless killers then maybe so, and Kabuto is responsible for what they are brought back with his summons being prepped is part of his responsibillity to make the technique, it's most effective so Sasoris argument I won't factor in. Also growing in strength needs to be factored out as well his technique is evil binding the deads souls in our world, so them growing in strength is irrelevant don't choose them if their unfit to battle the current group. Next kabuto is not top tier... he is most likely in the tier below in my opinion. I believe so based on a few things, Madara top tier he was not willing to fight yet, Tsuchikage thwarted his attack when he went after the nine tails even when he had Dediara (spelling?) with him. He did yes get Yamato, but this wasn't his objective, and Yamato isn't top tier either he's a weaker clone of one of the best ever Shinobi. The people I have mentioned stopping Kabuto or thwarting him are top tier. If he was top tier it just would have come to a battle over it. He's in the tier below in my opinion because of that. He can go against some people above him and maybe win but not because of his own power but because of his sneaking around and prep. It's like Shikamaru he's not as genius or tactical as him.. but he uses strategies somewhat like it. We definently don't call Shikamaru top tier but he's definently taken down people above him with his cleverness kabuto is similiar in that way.