Otsutsuki

[Rikudou Tobi]

The manga and databook said that Hagormoo Otsutsuki is both Uchiha and Senju by blood and kekkai genkai (transmigrant awaken the sages eyes and body). Even both of these clans hail Hagormoo as the founder themselves, uzamakis being distant blood relative of the senju.

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And the Hyuuga's are said to be in the Uchiha clan's origins as well

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Does that mean Otsutsuki clan member are half uchiha, senju, uzamaki, and hyuuga? I wish we saw more of them if that's the case.

 

[Styles]

Or it could be something like Hyuga, Uzumaki = Hamura. Hagoromo = Uchiha and Senju.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Original Otsusuki is the clan that Kaguya came from.

I think Toneri's clan bloodline also is pure Otsustsuki bcus I remember DB stated that Hamura gather Otsutsukis from other dimension to safe guard the moon(Gedo Mazo). I theorize that Hamura married with original Otsutsuki.

For Ashura and Indra, they were in transition phase and no longer pure Otsutsuki.

One important aspect or trait of Original Otsutsuki is Byakugan where Hagoromo nor his sons possessed.

They can be Otsutsuki in name but not bloodline.

 

[Ricardo]

What Kakashi is trying to say in that scan is that the Uchiha and Hyuga are brothers. Same way Hagoromo and Hamura.

 

[chaos control]

Kaguya = common ancestor for Uchiha , Senju , Hyuuga , Uzumaki , Kaguya clan , moon Otsutsukis that come from Hamura (Toneri's line)

Hagoromo = ancestor of Uchiha , Senju , Uzumaki
To be more specific:
Indra = ancestor of Uchiha
Asura = ancestor of Senju and Uzumaki

Hamura : ancestor of Hyuuga and Toneri's lineage of Otsutsuki.

It is unknown which line (Hagoromo's or Hamura's) that the Kaguya clan (Kimmimaro's clan) came from.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Technically all Kaguya's descendants were Otsutsuki but they chose to abandon that clan name.

Thats not counting in Kishi made up story/last ditch ideas

 

[Umari Senju]

Original Otsusuki is the clan that Kaguya came from.

I think Toneri's clan bloodline also is pure Otsustsuki bcus I remember DB stated that Hamura gather Otsutsukis from other dimension to safe guard the moon(Gedo Mazo). I theorize that Hamura married with original Otsutsuki.

For Ashura and Indra, they were in transition phase and no longer pure Otsutsuki.

One important aspect or trait of Original Otsutsuki is Byakugan where Hagoromo nor his sons possessed.

But Kaguya had all of the doujutsu including Byakugan.

I think it's like Musica stated. The tree kind of goes like this:

Kaguya

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Hagoromo and Hamura

Hagoromo

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Ashura and Indra

Hamura

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Hyuga clan

Indra

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Uchiha clan

Ashura

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Senju clan

As for the Uzumaki perhaps the reason they are distantly related to the Senju is that maybe they descended from whomever the Father of Hagoromo and Hamura was so:

Kaguya's Husband/Father of the Rikudo Sennin

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Uzumaki clan?

 

[Da Best Ever]

Kaguya = common ancestor for Uchiha , Senju , Hyuuga , Uzumaki , Kaguya clan , moon Otsutsukis that come from Hamura (Toneri's line)

Hagoromo = ancestor of Uchiha , Senju , Uzumaki
To be more specific:
Indra = ancestor of Uchiha
Asura = ancestor of Senju and Uzumaki

Hamura : ancestor of Hyuuga and Toneri's lineage of Otsutsuki.

It is unknown which line (Hagoromo's or Hamura's) that the Kaguya clan (Kimmimaro's clan) came from.

I think the uzumaki are not directly related to the sage but is an offshoot of the senju clan mating outside of their race...

The kaguya clan is a complete mystery and the fact that only kimimaro ever had her bone kkg in the clan is even more of a mystery but he bores the same otsutsuki markings on his forehead so he may be directly related to her and her clan

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Original Otsusuki is the clan that Kaguya came from.

I think Toneri's clan bloodline also is pure Otsustsuki bcus I remember DB stated that Hamura gather Otsutsukis from other dimension to safe guard the moon(Gedo Mazo). I theorize that Hamura married with original Otsutsuki.

For Ashura and Indra, they were in transition phase and no longer pure Otsutsuki.

One important aspect or trait of Original Otsutsuki is Byakugan where Hagoromo nor his sons possessed.

They can be Otsutsuki in name but not bloodline.

I don't think any human without chakra on earth can corrupt Hagormoo's power. Look at Sarada, she has a sharingan despite Sakura not being Uchiha.

What Kakashi is trying to say in that scan is that the Uchiha and Hyuga are brothers. Same way Hagoromo and Hamura.

Uchiha and Senju were brothers though? Uchihas started from Indra.

 

[Ansatsuken]

But Kaguya had all of the doujutsu including Byakugan.

I think it's like Musica stated. The tree kind of goes like this:

Kaguya

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Hagoromo and Hamura

Hagoromo

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Ashura and Indra

Hamura

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Hyuga clan

Indra

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Uchiha clan

Ashura

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Senju clan

As for the Uzumaki perhaps the reason they are distantly related to the Senju is that maybe they descended from whomever the Father of Hagoromo and Hamura was so:

Kaguya's Husband/Father of the Rikudo Sennin

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Uzumaki clan?

I'm just posting my second comment. I think you can say that I have the same idea.

Technically all Kaguya's descendants were Otsutsuki but they chose to abandon that clan name.

Thats not counting in Kishi made up story/last ditch ideas

I don't think any human without chakra on earth can corrupt Hagormoo's power. Look at Sarada, she has a sharingan despite Sakura not being Uchiha.

It takes quite a times to understand your post. I never stated something like "Corrupting Hagoromo's power" here.

I'm just saying Original Otsutsuki have Byakugan. Kaguya before she ate Chakra fruit. I doubt Kinshiki ever ate CF to give him a Byakugan.

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I know someone will bring here DB fact that saying Kaguya got her Byakugan after eating CF. But Kinshiki will debunked that idea.

 

[SenseiSama]

No, the Byakugan is Otsutsuki but everything else comes from the Shinju fruit. Indra and Ashura are Otsutsuki but their powers come from the Shinju not from Kaguya's alien heritage.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Or it could be something like Hyuga, Uzumaki = Hamura. Hagoromo = Uchiha and Senju.

Uzamaki are not hyuuga dude

 

[Umari Senju]

I'm just posting my second comment. I think you can say that I have the same idea.

Hmm you make a good point. It's the same rumor that was used as to why the Senju clan no longer existed, that they intermingled with othe clans and basically crossbreed themselves into obscurity. So perhaps that's how the Uzumaki came to be?

 

[Styles]

Uzamaki are not hyuuga dude

Never said it was tho.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Kaguya = common ancestor for Uchiha , Senju , Hyuuga , Uzumaki , Kaguya clan , moon Otsutsukis that come from Hamura (Toneri's line)

Hagoromo = ancestor of Uchiha , Senju , Uzumaki
To be more specific:
Indra = ancestor of Uchiha
Asura = ancestor of Senju and Uzumaki

Hamura : ancestor of Hyuuga and Toneri's lineage of Otsutsuki.

But there's more to than that. So say Kinishiki and Momoshiki? These Otsutsuki came from the same place and Momoshiki has both byukagan and rinnegan without being direct link to Hamura and Hagormoo. Kinishiki not only has the byukagan but he's able to go through dimensions apparently and use red will creation weapon, we don't even know where that ability came from either. These two Otsutsuki came from the same place too which sparks my curiosity on how?
It is unknown which line (Hagoromo's or Hamura's) that the Kaguya clan (Kimmimaro's clan) came from.[/QUOTE]

Never said it was tho.

You said Hamura=Uzamaki. Hamura's a hyuuga and so are all his descents are mostly by nature. Especially a full blooded hyuuga like hinata.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

No, it means they're Ootsutsuki. Genetics doesn't work by percentages. Uchiha/Senju/Hyuuga/Uzumaki clans have traits from the Ootsutsuki clan, and they have some stuff they made up themselves (Eg, Red Hair).

All the Ootsutsuki clan has that's unique is the inability to pass down Dojutsu genetically (Kaguya had Byakugan and Rinnesharingan. Hagoromo had Rinnegan, Hamura had Tenseigan, Indra had Sharingan, Ashura had nothing, and Hamura's decendants also had nothing, but in a more literal sense.)

 

[Ludicrous]

Just half Uchiha and Senju. Uzumaki and Huuga are like branch clans.

 

[SenseiSama]

I think the uzumaki are not directly related to the sage but is an offshoot of the senju clan mating outside of their race...

The kaguya clan is a complete mystery and the fact that only kimimaro ever had her bone kkg in the clan is even more of a mystery but he bores the same otsutsuki markings on his forehead so he may be directly related to her and her clan

They are directly related, chakra chains come from the Gedo statue and so does their strong life force, therefore their body is directly related to Ashura and the Sage like the Senju.

Uzumaki have Gedo feats while Senju have potential for the Juubi's KKG. Ashura most likely had two children like Hagoromo, one child as ancestor of Senju while the other was ancestor of Uzumaki.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Just half Uchiha and Senju. Uzumaki and Huuga are like branch clans.

So Otsutsuki are just half uchiha and senju only? So what did Hyuuga branch off of when Kaguya and Hamura are basically the origin story? I have a feeling that it's a little more complex than that.

 

[SenseiSama]

So Otsutsuki are just half uchiha and senju only? So what did Hyuuga branch off of when Kaguya and Hamura are basically the origin story? I have a feeling that it's a little more complex than that.

No they're not, Indra and Ashura's powers come from the fruit not from Otsutsuki. Everyone is Otsutsuki but only Hyuga have the Otsutsuki KKG.