[VS] Orphanage Head Kabuto VS Kinshiki

[Lord Tywin]

This thread begs for a classic EJC moment

 

[TheSages456]

-kinshiki runs at kabuto and swings his blade.
-kabuto dodges him.
-they parry each other briefly with kabuto using chakra scalpels and kinshiki using his axe, club, sword etc.
-kabuto uses random sound 4 abilities and white rage.
-kinshiki swings his shinju cleaver and the shockwave disperses everything that kabuto used.
-kabuto gets sent flying back a distance of multiple mountains due to the shockwave.
-kinshiki follows up and kills him.

thats how i would see it going down based on kinshikis performance in the movie.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

-kinshiki runs at kabuto and swings his blade.
-kabuto dodges him.
-they parry each other briefly with kabuto using chakra scalpels and kinshiki using his axe, club, sword etc.
-kabuto uses random sound 4 abilities and white rage.
-kinshiki swings his shinju cleaver and the shockwave disperses everything that kabuto used.
-kabuto gets sent flying back a distance of multiple mountains due to the shockwave.
-kinshiki follows up and kills him.

thats how i would see it going down based on kinshikis performance in the movie.

Even though Sasuke was just dealing with him in base? And Manda / under the ground isn't factored in? But yeah, that was a cool read- thanks

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuump

 

[Wood Style Tenzo]

could go either way with Kinshikis range

also in the games he could summon many at once, like an Ootsutsuki tenten

 

[Booker]

Lol Kinshiki forced RinneSasuke to use Ameno.

Kabuto stands no chance.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Lol Kinshiki forced RinneSasuke to use Ameno.

Kabuto stands no chance.

Didn't force him into anything, Sasuke had a number of ways around that attack, Ameno is just more part of his casual fighting style in Boruto, he uses it a bunch. Sasuke remained in base in this battle.

He was also taken out by Chojuro and Kurotsuchi.

 

[Booker]

Didn't force him into anything, Sasuke had a number of ways around that attack, Ameno is just more part of his casual fighting style in Boruto, he uses it a bunch. Sasuke remained in base in this battle.

He was also taken out by Chojuro and Kurotsuchi.

Bold is fan fiction based on nothing.

RinneSasuke had to use Ameno to avoid Kinshiki's strike. That's speed Kabuto doesn't have a prayer of reacting to. He gets trashed, and this is a stomp match up.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Bold is fan fiction based on nothing.

RinneSasuke had to use Ameno to avoid Kinshiki's strike. That's speed Kabuto doesn't have a prayer of reacting to. He gets trashed, and this is a stomp match up.

What's wrong with flicking on Susanoo now? Sasuke was using Ameno casually throughout that whole movie, it's in his new adult fighting style throughout the games, Gaiden and Boruto. It's no 'big deal' anymore to him.

Read back a couple posts to see speed-blitzing taken out of the equation. Kuro and Chojuro lasting more than 15 seconds and actually managing to land a killing attack is paramount proof alone that that isn't a thing. Kabuto's 6+ forms of amazing simultaneous defence keep him in the fight.

 

[Booker]

What's wrong with flicking on Susanoo now? Sasuke was using Ameno casually throughout that whole movie, it's in his new adult fighting style throughout the games, Gaiden and Boruto. It's no 'big deal' anymore to him.

Read back a couple posts to see speed-blitzing taken out of the equation. Kuro and Chojuro lasting more than 15 seconds and actually managing to land a killing attack is paramount proof alone that that isn't a thing. Kabuto's 6+ forms of amazing simultaneous defence keep him in the fight.

Because you have absolutely no proof Susano'o would have been fast enough to react.

Speed-blitzing isn't taken out of the equation. It's just a low-showing. Obviously Kishimoto can't display two major Kages be insta-blitzed and killed, even though common sense dictates it would happen. When debating you go with the higher showings of the characters. In this case Kinshiki more than proved he is out of Kabuto's speed by stalemating adult Sasuke.

You made a poor match-up. Get over it. Kabuto gets steamrolled.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Because you have absolutely no proof Susano'o would have been fast enough to react.

Speed-blitzing isn't taken out of the equation. It's just a low-showing. Obviously Kishimoto can't display two major Kages be insta-blitzed and killed, even though common sense dictates it would happen. When debating you go with the higher showings of the characters. In this case Kinshiki more than proved he is out of Kabuto's speed by stalemating adult Sasuke.

You made a poor match-up. Get over it. Kabuto gets steamrolled.

He can't show Kages getting blitzed...? Bud, Momoshiki one-shotted 4 at once in the very same fight. Very rarely in this manga does a 'blitz' happen in the way NB theoretically thinks and certainly never Kinshiki.

'Low-showing' almost makes sense but there is no reason Kinshiki would be holding back, all fights are defined by what the plot demands of them- doesn't mean it didn't happen. Kinshiki didn't push Sasuke out of base and killed himself tearing his skin off to escape a binding defeat. Not an impressive show, he's not diverse enough to be compared to other high-tier ninja and Ootsutsuki.

To ignore and write it off as a steamroll you'd have to counter 6+ levels of defence first, even if he can reach him, each with their own properties and one that makes him intangible to physical attack....all that Kinshiki can do.

 

[Booker]

He can't show Kages getting blitzed...? Bud, Momoshiki one-shotted 4 at once in the very same fight. Very rarely in this manga does a 'blitz' happen in the way NB theoretically thinks and certainly never Kinshiki.

'Low-showing' almost makes sense but there is no reason Kinshiki would be holding back, all fights are defined by what the plot demands of them- doesn't mean it didn't happen. Kinshiki didn't push Sasuke out of base and killed himself tearing his skin off to escape a binding defeat. Not an impressive show, he's not diverse enough to be compared to other high-tier ninja and Ootsutsuki.

Not if he wants to be able to actually show the Kages in action, which he did, and THEN they got blitzed.

It doesn't "almost make sense", it does make sense. Characters have low showings for plot purposes. Otherwise Sakura is capable of blindsiding Kaguya and keeping up with RSM Naruto and RinneSasuke in speed. The alternative is that Kuro and Chojuro are incredibly fast and capable of fighting on Kinshiki's speed for a period of time.

He did force Sasuke out of base. Sasuke had to use Ameno to avoid his strike. Still waiting for that proof of other methods Sasuke could have used. Oh wait - there is none.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Not if he wants to be able to actually show the Kages in action, which he did, and THEN they got blitzed.

It doesn't "almost make sense", it does make sense. Characters have low showings for plot purposes. Otherwise Sakura is capable of blindsiding Kaguya and keeping up with RSM Naruto and RinneSasuke in speed. The alternative is that Kuro and Chojuro are incredibly fast and capable of fighting on Kinshiki's speed for a period of time.
He did force Sasuke out of base. Sasuke had to use Ameno to avoid his strike. Still waiting for that proof of other methods Sasuke could have used. Oh wait - there is none.

Tone down with that sass, 'plot' isn't good enough reasoning. Characters are defined by what the plot needs from them, not the other way around so stop falling back on it to secure the victory you want otherwise I can do that for literally any match-up in the series.

If Kinshiki was defeated by 2 Kage, then he was defeated by 2 kage, that's an objective truth that we have to work around. And since in-verse there's no reason for him to be holding back against these two strangers then it comes down to the fact that against more diverse ninja who have more up their sleeves than close-range kenjutsu, he got defeated.

You're also not countering how common Ameno is used by post-series Sasuke. He's part of his everyday moveset. I can't stress this enough and am also confused as to how this decides the argument in your mind? Unless you're trying to insinuate Sasuke can get speed-blitzed by Kinshiki...in which case I know I couple sappy Uchiha fanboys who might disagree with you.

 

[Booker]

Tone down with that sass, 'plot' isn't good enough reasoning. Characters are defined by what the plot needs from them, not the other way around so stop falling back on it to secure the victory you want otherwise I can do that for literally any match-up in the series.

If Kinshiki was defeated by 2 Kage, then he was defeated by 2 kage, that's an objective truth that we have to work around. And since in-verse there's no reason for him to be holding back against these two strangers then it comes down to the fact that against more diverse ninja who have more up their sleeves than close-range kenjutsu, he got defeated.

You're also not countering how common Ameno is used by post-series Sasuke. He's part of his everyday moveset. I can't stress this enough and am also confused as to how this decides the argument in your mind? Unless you're trying to insinuate Sasuke can get speed-blitzed by Kinshiki...in which case I know I couple sappy Uchiha fanboys who might disagree with you.

Plot is perfect reasoning. Otherwise Sakura is now RSM Naruto and RinneSasuke levels of speed. it's called PIS, and it happens in every form of fictional media. This is why Batman can survive for a week without food and water, get stabbed through the chest, drown, and then be revived by a car battery.

You're right - which either means it's a low showing for Kinshiki, or Kuro and Chujuro are actually capable of matching those speeds. Take your pick.

Because that's not an argument. First of all, link me to every instance he uses Ameno in a fight. Secondly, even if it is a "casual jutsu" to him, how does that change the fact that he needed it against Kinshiki?

Either provide evidence that Sasuke had multiple ways out of Kinshiki's attack, or shut the hell up. If you ignore this again and don't provide me with any evidence, I won't be replying to this garbage any longer.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Plot is perfect reasoning. Otherwise Sakura is now RSM Naruto and RinneSasuke levels of speed. it's called PIS, and it happens in every form of fictional media. This is why Batman can survive for a week without food and water, get stabbed through the chest, drown, and then be revived by a car battery.

Try telling that to NB who treat the series as an objective fact with set in stone reasoning. I agree with you for the most part but not in the Versus thread. Base's unspoken rules, not mine.

Because that's not an argument. First of all, link me to every instance he uses Ameno in a fight.

Off the top of my head it gets used three times in Boruto and once in Gaiden? Flips all round the place with it in the games if you count them. Every encounter he's had apart from the Chunnin Stadium and like...Boruto in the street lol.

"Sasuke had to recharge his Rinnegan and this technique cannot be used.[4][5] By adulthood, Sasuke became able to use Amenotejikara even when his Rinnegan is overused.[6]"

Secondly, even if it is a "casual jutsu" to him, how does that change the fact that he needed it against Kinshiki?

By engaging Kinshiki in a swordfight in the first place is what made him use Ameno is what I was saying. In that instance yeah, Susanoo is fast to form but yeah I agree, probably not fast enough. Sasuke's decision to do that rather than nuking him from the air for instance. This point doesn't really factor into anything so I don't know why you're hinging on it.

Either provide evidence that Sasuke had multiple ways out of Kinshiki's attack, or shut the hell up. If you ignore this again and don't provide me with any evidence, I won't be replying to this garbage any longer.

Wow *beep* you hostile guy. And here I am listening to my vaporwave tryna keep it nice.

 

[BLAZE]

oh boy my sides are in spaces :lol

the hypocrisy is mind boggling especially when this thread is made by same dude who sprouted this

I mean, it's the purpose of the Versus board. Can be filled with smart debate & insight backed up w/facts. Fun thought exercise

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

oh boy my sides are in spaces :lol

the hypocrisy is mind boggling especially when this thread is made by same dude who sprouted this

A* stalking finding a post from what, 2015? but that doesn't contradict anything here you massive creep lol

 

[Made in Heaven]

You gotta love how aggressive people get over these fictional match ups just because their own egos are so invested into these characters.

Plot is perfect reasoning. Otherwise Sakura is now RSM Naruto and RinneSasuke levels of speed. it's called PIS, and it happens in every form of fictional media. This is why Batman can survive for a week without food and water, get stabbed through the chest, drown, and then be revived by a car battery.

Why's that? and What is PIS?

A* stalking finding a post from what, 2015? but that doesn't contradict anything here you massive creep lol

If you think you have it bad, that weirdo goes pulling up posts of mine from 5 years ago, negs me every chance he gets, and hunts down my posts just to go on a disliking spree. :lol

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

You gotta love how aggressive people get over these fictional match ups just because their own egos are so invested into these characters.

I think he's just had a bad day

 

[Disaster]

Kinshiki would wreck that snake