Ororchimaru is the strongest sannin

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

It was never stated that they were on par.

I don't think Orochimaru had Edo Tensei before he left the village.
I don't really think it's actually that Slug>Snake>toad thin, but I may be wrong.

You are wrong. In part1 it was stated only a Sannin can defeat a Sannin. And this was true until Sasuke defeated Orochimaru.

There is a Japanase myth and card game, where the Slug is afraid of the Toad, the Toad is afraid of the Snake and the Snake is afraid of the Slug. And we all know Naruto is based on japanase legends and myths.

 

[yellowxflash]

Not sure its very close between him and jman

 

[BlacLord™]

Hiruzen had already stated that Orochimaru was stronger. might not have been incomplete, but even then he never trained it further. Hence why ma and pa asked why he still wasn't able to use it without them.

The reason Jiraiya need Shima and Fukasaku was because he couldn't quite balance Natural Energy with his own chakra properly but having them two just makes him more powerful because he has unlimited Sage Mode and team attacks.

 

[jorgelius]

jiraya is cool, got moves/ninjutsu for every problem, but oro is far stronger even jiraya without sage mode can't kill orochimaru not even sure can he kill him in SM, not sure jiraya in sage mode is weaker than orochimaru.. it comes down to can oro withstand everything jiraya do before sage mode runs off

 

[TheGeorge]

The reason Jiraiya need Shima and Fukasaku was because he couldn't quite balance Natural Energy with his own chakra properly but having them two just makes him more powerful because he has unlimited Sage Mode and team attacks.

We don't know what was involved in Jiraiya's attempt to stop Orochimaru from leaving, but it's plainly obvious that it wasn't an all out battle like the VOTE battle. So Jiraiya probably never even used Sage Mode, and we know he avoided it unless absolutely necessary because it "displeased the ladies".

Jiraiya probably wasn't considered at that time because he still had childish/immature aspects to his personality and the fact he was traveling most of the time.

I say Jiraiya vs Orochimaru is too close a call to decide on.

Even if Jiraiya didn't use sage mode in their battle there is no reason why he wouldn't use it in the war, and again there would be no way Hiruzen wouldn't know about it and he still named orochimaru the strongest. How is it obvious?

You said yourself Jiraiya never trained afterwards, while Orochimaru kept learning.

 

[VongolaX]

I agree
Oro > Jiraiya >>>>> Tsunade

^^ pretty much sums it up

 

[TheGeorge]

You are wrong. In part1 it was stated only a Sannin can defeat a Sannin. And this was true until Sasuke defeated Orochimaru.

There is a Japanase myth and card game, where the Slug is afraid of the Toad, the Toad is afraid of the Snake and the Snake is afraid of the Slug. And we all know Naruto is based on japanase legends and myths.

That is still wrong though since we know a lot of people can defeat the sannins. Maybe it was just to hype them, and show how strong they are.

Amaterasu and Susanoo are based off japanese gods, but they're obviously not gods. Not everything is exactly as it was in the myth.

 

[Omnipotent]

So first of all Jiraiya was at mount Myoboku before he met Nagato.

This means he already had Sage Mode before they were even in the 2nd great ninja war. Yet Hiruzen still thought orochimaru was the strongest.

Jiraiya tried to stop Ororchimaru from leaving the village, but failed. Meaning Orochimaru was stronger. Keep in mind at this time Jiraiya already had Sage mode.

Some might say that after that Jiraiya go better. Well I don't think so because Jiraiya was never said to have trained after he left the village. Instead he would focus on writing his books. While Orochimaru never stopped studying new jutsus.

Lastly Orochimaru was in the running for becoming the Fourth Hokage against Minato(who was a huge part in winning the 3rd ninja war) and the only reason that has been stated to why he lost is because of his crazy mind. This alone should prove how strong he was.

As for Tsunade(Sorry Tsunade fans I don't really think she has the potential to kill him) even though she is really strong I doubt she would be able to kill him

I believe this because Tsunade wasn't even a candidate for Hokage until after Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Jiraiya at one point even threatened her.

Show me the manga scans where Jiraiya is shown to already have Sage Mode.

So because Tsunade couldn't stop Nawaki from going out into war, Nawaki's stronger?

Show me the manga scan that says that the only reason he lost to Minato was because of his mind. I think you're saying Orochimaru > Minato without Edo Tensei (which he was not known to have at that time), which I disagree with. I mean, the manga even said that it's one of the reasons, meaning there were others:

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Jiraiya did surprisingly well against Orochimaru after he was drugged by Tsunade and unable to properly perform techniques.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Show me the manga scans where Jiraiya is shown to already have Sage Mode.

So because Tsunade couldn't stop Nawaki from going out into war, Nawaki's stronger?

Show me the manga scan that says that the only reason he lost to Minato was because of his mind. I think you're saying Orochimaru > Minato without Edo Tensei (which he was not known to have at that time), which I disagree with.

Jiraiya did surprisingly well against Orochimaru after he was drugged by Tsunade and unable to properly perform techniques.

In the end of the fight he was able to control his chakra without problems He was ablo to summon gamabunta. And to summon a giant animal, like that, he needs good chakra control and a large amount of chakra. This was stated by Tsunade.

 

[Omnipotent]

In the end of the fight he was able to control his chakra without problems He was ablo to summon gamabunta. And to summon a giant animal, like that, he needs good chakra control and a large amount of chakra. This was stated by Tsunade.

The fact that he was able to hold off Orochimaru until he himself recovered (to some extent) is a feat in itself.

 

[TheGeorge]

Show me the manga scans where Jiraiya is shown to already have Sage Mode.

So because Tsunade couldn't stop Nawaki from going out into war, Nawaki's stronger?

Show me the manga scan that says that the only reason he lost to Minato was because of his mind. I think you're saying Orochimaru > Minato without Edo Tensei (which he was not known to have at that time), which I disagree with. I mean, the manga even said that it's one of the reasons, meaning there were others:

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Jiraiya did surprisingly well against Orochimaru after he was drugged by Tsunade and unable to properly perform techniques.

I don't know the manga page, but jiraiya learned sage mode when he was told about his destiny by the great toad sage.

I never said Minato and Orochimaru fought. I said the only reason STATED why Hiruzen chose Minato over Orochimaru for 4th Hokage was because he Oro was crazy.

Well Oro did well for no hands and fighting 2 sannins at the same time.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

The fact that he was able to hold off Orochimaru until he himself recovered (to some extent) is a feat in itself.

Tsunade was able to react his attack, despite her muscles were cut ( including the respiratory muscles), her heart was pierced and she was feared of blood. This is not a feat?

 

[Beetle]

Orochimaru is just hard to kill and shoots snakes out of his ass. Jiraiya wins in a battle, but doesn't kill him.

 

[a thousand years of death]

jiraiya was also a candidate for fourth hokage and he turned it down the same as with the fith.

jiraiya had been to mount myoboku but he probably had not been taught sage mode at that time as the elder toad sages were not present in any picture or clip of the aftermath of the battle between the sannin and hanzo. if he went sage mode then they would be there.

also when jiraiya was going to stop orochimaru from leaving i imagine he would have shown some restraint. at least he would not have pulled out his sage mode especially if it wasnt complete and needed that sort of preperation time.

now the cherry on top of this.

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jiraiya said he hates using that form. so why would he use it all the time. you didnt see itachi use sasunoo all the time so why would jiraiya be in sage mode all the time

 

[TheGeorge]

jiraiya was also a candidate for fourth hokage and he turned it down the same as with the fith.

jiraiya had been to mount myoboku but he probably had not been taught sage mode at that time as the elder toad sages were not present in any picture or clip of the aftermath of the battle between the sannin and hanzo. if he went sage mode then they would be there.

also when jiraiya was going to stop orochimaru from leaving i imagine he would have shown some restraint. at least he would not have pulled out his sage mode especially if it wasnt complete and needed that sort of preperation time.

now the cherry on top of this.

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jiraiya said he hates using that form. so why would he use it all the time. you didnt see itachi use sasunoo all the time so why would jiraiya be in sage mode all the time

After Orochimaru.

He learned Sage mode while he was in Mount Myoboku, why else would he be there. It even sates it in Naruto Wikia.

Just because they aren't there doesn't mean he didn't use it. He even seemed the most tired it would make sense if he used it.

Even if he showed some restraint, (though theres no evidence he did) Orochimaru was still thought of as stronger.

It was a war I don't think he could afford not to use it.

Even if they on par as some say ( which I doubt they were) Jiraiya stopped training or even learning new jutsus after leaving the village,and instead focused on his novels. Orochimaru on the other hand has never stopped learning new jutsus since his goal was to learn all the jutsus of the world.

 

[Lostdreams]

All the seals and techniques hes done makes him more immortal than actually good.
All hes has ever really done is run. Never was he a leader or brave he was the definition of a coward by all his actions...he was afraid of death and it showed while jiraiya stared at it in the face and embraced challenges.

Now, i do think he was the best though sanin since he has proven to have a wider impact of the manga, while jiriaya had the stronger impact on the main character.

 

[TheGeorge]

All the seals and techniques hes done makes him more immortal than actually good.
All hes has ever really done is run. Never was he a leader or brave he was the definition of a coward by all his actions...he was afraid of death and it showed while jiraiya stared at it in the face and embraced challenges.

Now, i do think he was the best though sanin since he has proven to have a wider impact of the manga, while jiriaya had the stronger impact on the main character.

He might be afraid of death, but i'm talking about how strong he is, not whether he's a coward or not.

I doubt all his jutsus are for immortality.

 

[Lostdreams]

He might be afraid of death, but i'm talking about how strong he is, not whether he's a coward or not.

I doubt all his jutsus are for immortality.

IMO Thats his strength...while jiraiya is running around as a spy, killing, and helping little side villages, and aging, he(oro) is switching bodies and learning new tech to basically stay young and study senju dna.

 

[TheGeorge]

IMO Thats his strength...while jiraiya is running around as a spy, killing, and helping little side villages, and aging, he(oro) is switching bodies and learning new tech to basically stay young and study senju dna.

So you agree that Orochimaru is stronger?

 

[jorgelius]

what counter jiraya have against oro's large scale attacks, like one's orochimaru used vs 4tailed kyuubi? he cannot make big enough katon without gababunta and if he brings that in scrim, oro just summon manda jiraya doesn't carry weapons around he's very adept in fuin jutsu but what good that do against sword of kusanagi..

during fight between kyuubi and orochimaru oro stated that about regular rasengan big tbb is enough to kill him so question is if SM gigantic rasengan or whatever is enough to kill oro?

rasengan is made to mimic process when bijuudama is made kinda human version of tbb and power within is different even tough SM rasengan is big it's about 20% of tbb made by kurama...

orochimaru > jiraya , but still jiraya is sannin it could get either way but in most scenarios i say oro wins