Orochimaru's Scroll, Time Travel and Billy Bat connection

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I've read discussions on other forums that Kishi took direct inspiration from Urosawa's manga Billy Bat with regards to Orochimaru's scroll.

Billy Bat:

The story is set in 1949 and follows Japanese-American comic book artist Kevin Yamagata as he draws the popular detective series "Billy Bat". When he learns he may have unconsciously copied the character from an image he saw while serving in occupied Japan, he returns to Japan to get permission to use Billy Bat from its original creator. Upon arriving there, however, he becomes embroiled in a web of murder, cover-ups, and prophecy that all leads back to Billy Bat.

It is soon evident, however, that the truth of Billy Bat's nature is far larger than Kevin could ever guess, spanning millennia and across the world. Kevin finds that The Bat is related to an ancient scroll which is said anyone who possess the scroll will take rule of the world.

The scroll was also in possession and sought after by famous ninjas:

Kanbei - A ninja of the ancient province of Iga who served the Momochi Clan. When the land of Iga was attacked by Oda Nobunaga's army, he was ordered to bring the Scroll to Momochi Sandayū. To accomplish his mission, he was forced to kill his childhood friends. Later, he met the original owner of the scroll, Yajirō, Francis Xavier's disciple. Shortly afterward, Yajirou was killed, and out of remorse for the murders he committed, Kanbei decided to bury the Scroll in order to hide it from Momochi Sandayū.

Hattori Hanzō - Arguably the most famous ninja in history, the tales of Hattori Hanzō are still told in Japanese History books. He sent Gonosuke to kill kanbei and retrieve the scroll, When Iga is attacked by Oda's army, he let Kanbei to bury the ancient scroll and choose not to kill him because he already makes a copy of the ancient scroll and passes it to Akechi Mitsuhide.

It also has reference to Relativity Theory and Time Travel, and even includes Einstein as a minor character:

Albert Einstein - The famous scientist who developed Relativity Theory. During his visit to Japan in 1922 He met Zofu Sensei and it seems He also have met with The Bat and said something horrible will happen and to abandon such things called time travel to Zofu sensei, this probably give speculation that The Bat have the ability to manipulate time.

This is the scroll:

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Now, the protagonist Kevin's era is set in 1949, just four years after world war II, but after his "assassination" by the CIA for possessing the scroll, the timeline jumps to 1981:

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Kevin is in 1981, still young despite the 32 year gap, it's has probably something to do with Time Travel, the power contained within the scroll and its' relation Billy Bat's power of time manipulation.


Some people suspect that Kishimoto took Billy Bat's scroll as an inspiration for Orochimaru's scroll, both scrolls have power than can make the user "rule the world" Billy Bat's scroll has time traveling/ time manipulation as its' power, Orochimaru's scroll's power has got to have something to do with Time Travel also. That's why Sasuke will meet "them" "the ones who know everything" not where but when.

This is Oro's scroll (see the similarities?) :

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[Kages]

Yep agreed :y

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

You are obsessed with time travel in this manga. It will not happen, just because you can pull out vague similarities doesn't mean it's a carbon copy.

If that manga was so easily found Kishi wouldn't dare to copy it, after already coming under a lot of heat via Obito being Tobi.

Edit: I think it was you also who made a thread talking about wanting to see time travel in Naruto. If it was you then it's obvious you've drawn up these connections from nothing or you've looked way too hard into it, and tried to find what isn't there

 

[LolChidori]

Time travel itself is a conspiracy, but I wouldn't see why not..

 

[Supreme x Uchiha]

Oh my God, my mind just blew up from all that science.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Yep agreed :y

Thanks, I've just shared something interesting I've read in other forums.

 

[LinkTheBastardChild]

in ****in genious that is the most brilliant thing that i have ever heard on this topic + rep

 

[The Infernal Spirit]

You are obsessed with time travel in this manga. It will not happen, just because you can pull out vague similarities doesn't mean it's a carbon copy.

If that manga was so easily found Kishi wouldn't dare to copy it, after already coming under a lot of heat via Obito being Tobi.

He never said carbon copy he said inspiration.

And please don't tell me your one of the looney bin characters who thought tobi was someone other then obito.

For Christ sakes he could not have made it any more obvious.

 

[Ciao]

Interesting thread nonetheless.

 

[The Infernal Spirit]

Sounds great especially near the end where you specifically point out not where but when.His inspirations are never hidden so it is very plausible.

 

[MGX7]

that would be a good idea but i still think it has to deal with edo tensei

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Sounds great especially near the end where you specifically point out not where but when.His inspirations are never hidden so it is very plausible.

Thanks, glad you liked it

 

[Ciao]

What if Orochimaru and Sasuke go back in time and take Izuna's eyes so Madara could have never gotten the EMS. Without the EMS, Madara would've been killed by Hashirama. If Madara was killed in the past, then Obito would've never survived the collapsing rocks.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

What if Orochimaru and Sasuke go back in time and take Izuna's eyes so Madara could have never gotten the EMS. Without the EMS, Madara would've been killed by Hashirama. If Madara was killed in the past, then Obito would've never survived the collapsing rocks.

That could be a possibility, anything is possible with time travel

 

[Khallil]

WWOOOOOW thought this all by yourself???

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

WWOOOOOW thought this all by yourself???

Yes, but I got the idea from other forums, I think it was saiyanland forums or something, said something about Billy Bat so I read the manga, and poofed! it dawned to me

 

[LolChidori]

This thread just Donnie Darko'd itself

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This thread just Donnie Darko'd itself

Didn't you like Donnie Darko?

 

[LolChidori]

Didn't you like Donnie Darko?

It's my favorite movie lol... I love it. <3

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

I like your idea orochimarufan. if madara dies obito doesn't survive and instigate trouble between the leaf and the uchiha no clan massacre itachi stays a good brother shisui doesn't die and sasuke lives a happy life with naruto but they are both weaker.