Orochimaru was made to look like a chump.

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Seriously, a bunch of no name scientists have now figured out how make ninjutsu out of thin air and Orochimaru still can't figure out true immortality, nor could he accomplish what they've done despite the fact that he wanted to know all the ninjutsu in the world.

It's a sad day indeed.

Kishi is literally giving cheat codes to these kids to make them look impressive. What a shame.
 

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Just wait. It will be revealed that the scientist stole the source technology from Orochimaru. I say this cause Oro is seen walking away casually at the end of the movie showing he was involved somehow.
 

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He still has to steal another person's body though... Doesn't he? I wouldn't call that true immortality, even he didn't I think.

Anyway, he still hasn't gotten every jutsu in the world from the looks of it, while these guys created them.
 

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He still has to steal another person's body though... Doesn't he? I wouldn't call that true immortality, even he didn't I think.

Anyway, he still hasn't gotten every jutsu in the world from the looks of it, while these guys created them.
Man I agree with you lmao. Orochimaru lost all his greatness the second this happened.


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For one, it said Mitsuki's parent (Orochimaru), was powerful and influential. Who is to say he hasn't used his scientific acheivements to advance the world? Even if he hasn't, Orochimaru's a side character, it can't be helped.
 

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For one, it said Mitsuki's parent (Orochimaru), was powerful and influential. Who is to say he hasn't used his scientific acheivements to advance the world? Even if he hasn't, Orochimaru's a side character, it can't be helped.
Orochimaru was the greatest villian of all time, he should be a lot more capable than some no name scientists. It would be cool if he was the reason as to why the scientists created what they did though.
 

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Orochimaru has been a chump ever since Itachi owned him with genjutsu.
Orochimaru was the greatest villian of all time, he should be a lot more capable than some no name scientists. It would be cool if he was the reason as to why the scientists created what they did though.
if you think Orochimaru is the greatest villain of all time, then you got a s***load of reading to do bub. I could name a list of ppl a mile long that was an exponentially better villain than Orochimaru ever was.
 
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Orochimaru has been a chump ever since Itachi owned him with genjutsu.if you think Orochimaru is the greatest villain of all time, then you got a s***load of reading to do bub. I could name a list of ppl a mile long that was an exponentially better villain than Orochimaru ever was.
In NV? He really is.

I really don't want a villain to have some righteous cause for everything he/she's done, which is every major villian in Naruto besides Orochimaru. Really, it wouldn't even be wrong to not label every other antogonist in Naruto as something other than a villain, depending on the definition used. So I really don't see saying Orochimaru is the best villain as something crazy.

Also, Orochimaru wasn't a chump because he was beaten by someone superior in skill. This made him look like a chump because dome no names basically did something he couldn't do his entire life. Though I could be wrong.
 

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In NV? He really is.

I really don't want a villain to have some righteous cause for everything he/she's done, which is every major villian in Naruto besides Orochimaru. Really, it wouldn't even be wrong to not label every other antogonist in Naruto as something other than a villain, depending on the definition used. So I really don't see saying Orochimaru is the best villain as something crazy.
it's your opinion and you have every right to it, but someone who has been repeatedly owned by genjutsu throughout the story can hardly be called the greatest one in NV as far as i'm concerned. There's a reason why mad scientist villains are usually a lower order of villain.

Also, Orochimaru wasn't a chump because he was beaten by someone superior in skill. This made him look like a chump because dome no names basically did something he couldn't do his entire life. Though I could be wrong.
if he got owned by 2 kids' genjutsu and turned around and got owned by one of those same kids who grew up to be half his age, chances are he might be a chump. And i'm judging this by the fact that he is known as and took immense pride in as being one of the Sannin.
 

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it's your opinion and you have every right to it, but someone who has been repeatedly owned by genjutsu throughout the story can hardly be called the greatest one in NV as far as i'm concerned. There's a reason why mad scientist villains are usually a lower order of villain.

if he got owned by 2 kids' genjutsu and turned around and got owned by one of those same kids who grew up to be half his age, chances are he might be a chump. And i'm judging this by the fact that he is known as and took immense pride in as being one of the Sannin.
They're not common because they're cliche, but in Naruto the antogonist who just wants peace is cliche.

By that logic every one who has ever been beaten in a fight is a chump.
 

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They're not common because they're cliche, but in Naruto the antogonist who just wants peace is cliche.
mad scientists are a very common breed of villain bro. I was not specifically referring to NV, but in fiction at large. How did you not get that?

By that logic every one who has ever been beaten in a fight is a chump.
except those incidents where he got owned by genjutsu weren't even fights. Nice try. Even when it comes to the incident with Sasuke, that was a mild scuffle at best.
 

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mad scientists are a very common breed of villain bro. I was not specifically referring to NV, but in fiction at large. How did you not get that?

except those incidents where he got owned by genjutsu weren't even fights. Nice try. Even when it comes to the incident with Sasuke, that was a mild scuffle at best.
?? You're just repeating what I said in the first part.

Like I said, being beaten doesn't make you a chump. Kakashi got stomped by Itachi in part 1 and he was still pretty badass. All that shows is that they aren't up to par with that person.
 

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?? You're just repeating what I said in the first part.
there was no need to reply about it in the first place.

Like I said, being beaten doesn't make you a chump. Kakashi got stomped by Itachi in part 1 and he was still pretty badass. All that shows is that they aren't up to par with that person.
you're repeating what you said while proving nothing. For the second time, those aforementioned occasions weren't even fights.
 
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