Orochimaru vs Tobirama

[Nattana]

Tobirama, high diff. I don't see Oro matching up with Hiraishin or FTG.

Hiraishin is FTG lol.

Moreover, due to Tobirama not having sealed Kunai, Orochimaru being able to remove the marks or even dodge Tobirama using his great speed and amazing reaction feats - his FTG isn't really much of a factor here...

 

[The Sach]

Hiraishin is FTG lol.

Moreover, due to Tobirama not having sealed Kunai, Orochimaru being able to remove the marks or even dodge Tobirama using his great speed and amazing reaction feats - his FTG isn't really much of a factor here...

@bold FTG=Space time ninjutsu
Hiraishin=Combination of FTG with Kenjutsu, flying thunder god slash.

1. Tobirama doesn't require sealed Kunai, rather he requires to put mark on his opponent, which he can easily carry out using kage bunhsin, while the so called fodder edo gives him opening by attacking Orochimaru and engaging him in battle.
2. Tobirama's reaction speed>Oro's reaction speed. Minato's mark remained on Obito after 18 years what makes you think that Minato's won't??
3. Oro's main weapon is his summons, although Tobirama's suiton mastery is pretty much OP, as seen in part-1 and in shinobi world war.
Tobirama takes this with high diff.U_U

 

[Chīkara]

Once the 3 year time limit is over Fushi Tensei Solo's you need
some sort of genjutsu to counter it.

I can see Orochimaru winning this Mid-High difficulty.

 

[KidGamer65]

@bold FTG=Space time ninjutsu
Hiraishin=Combination of FTG with Kenjutsu, flying thunder god slash.

Dafuq? Hiraishin translates into Flying Thunder God (FTG) that second description is Hiraishingiri..

 

[Nattana]

@bold FTG=Space time ninjutsu
Hiraishin=Combination of FTG with Kenjutsu, flying thunder god slash.

1. Tobirama doesn't require sealed Kunai, rather he requires to put mark on his opponent, which he can easily carry out using kage bunhsin, while the so called fodder edo gives him opening by attacking Orochimaru and engaging him in battle.
2. Tobirama's reaction speed>Oro's reaction speed. Minato's mark remained on Obito after 18 years what makes you think that Minato's won't??
3. Oro's main weapon is his summons, although Tobirama's suiton mastery is pretty much OP, as seen in part-1 and in shinobi world war.
Tobirama takes this with high diff.U_U

Hiraishin = FTG.
Hiraishingiri = FTG slash.
-.-

Tobirama's reaction feats > Oro's reaction feats? Based on what?
Tobirama's Suiton mastery in P1? U must be high. His Suiton is nothing compared to what for example Mei or Kisame can do, even if taking into consideration that back then he wasn't at his full power.

 

[KidGamer65]

Tobirama's reaction feats > Oro's reaction feats? Based on what?

Based on the fact Tobirama reacted to Obito, fastest character in this series while Orochimaru has little to no notable reaction feats.

 

[The Sach]

Hiraishin = FTG.
Hiraishingiri = FTG slash.
-.-

Tobirama's reaction feats > Oro's reaction feats? Based on what?
Tobirama's Suiton mastery in P1? U must be high. His Suiton is nothing compared to what for example Mei or Kisame can do, even if taking into consideration that back then he wasn't at his full power.

K, I think I made mistake about FTG, sorry for that.
1. Tobirama's reaction speed>Oro's reaction speed based upon his feats, which he has shown in fourth shinobi world war, he was the first one two react(apart from Hiruzen), when Naruto was chakra was soaked by Shinju, this is just one feat, second can be easily seen from many other instances including his reaction time when he used combo with Naruto to attack Juubito.
2. Tobirama wasn't at his full power(you,yourself said that in your post), so if he can still pull out such a powerful suiton, isn't it safe to assume that, Tobirama is pretty much suiton expert??

 

[Nattana]

K, I think I made mistake about FTG, sorry for that.
1. Tobirama's reaction speed>Oro's reaction speed based upon his feats, which he has shown in fourth shinobi world war, he was the first one two react(apart from Hiruzen), when Naruto was chakra was soaked by Shinju, this is just one feat, second can be easily seen from many other instances including his reaction time when he used combo with Naruto to attack Juubito.
2. Tobirama wasn't at his full power(you,yourself said that in your post), so if he can still pull out such a powerful suiton, isn't it safe to assume that, Tobirama is pretty much suiton expert??

0. You don't have to be sorry ^^.

1. Tobirama was watching the whole scene. It wasn't really a speed feat. On the other hand, Orochimaru reacted to a point blank God Tree branches aimed at Hiruzen. He stopped them from a distance, when both himself and Hiruzen didn't even see them. He noticed the branches at the same time Hiruzen did, yet he couldn't do anything. Orochimaru saved him. Not to mention, that these branches managed to catch both Kyuubi-powered Minato and Naruto.

2. Ofc he wasn't at his full power. But that Suiton he used wasn't anything special. You can even multiply it by 4 and it's still nothing special. No one ever stated he was a Suiton expert. It was just a random fodder Anbu saying he used a Suiton without a water source. Wow, a feat any Suiton user has.

 

[Penguin]

Hiraishin = FTG.
Hiraishingiri = FTG slash.
-.-

Tobirama's reaction feats > Oro's reaction feats? Based on what?
Tobirama's Suiton mastery in P1? U must be high. His Suiton is nothing compared to what for example Mei or Kisame can do, even if taking into consideration that back then he wasn't at his full power.

You are a dolt. You lost any fiber of credibility you ever had with just one damn statement.

 

[Nattana]

You are a dolt. You lost any fiber of credibility you ever had with just one damn statement.

Show me any reaction feat that puts Tobirama above Orochimaru. Scans please.

 

[Penguin]

Before I make my post, I just want everyone to know that prior to the attack, Juubito has not shown any speed. No one knew how fast Juubito was, so that is why Hashirama and Tobirama were blitz'd.

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Again, no one knew what to expect with Juubito. Hashirama's clone was blitz'd, and Tobirama was blitz'd, from the start.

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This is a paramount feat. During the near instant Juubito's blitz, Tobirama recovered after being completely surprised. With one half of a body, and under milliseconds to think of a plan, Tobirama pulls through and thought of one. Tobirama, with only one hand, tagged Jubito thrice with explosive tags, along with one Hiraishin mark. That is an outlandish feat.

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^ El oh el.

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Notice this is Minato, who is millimeters away from the attack he noticed first, in a KCM cloak which increases speed and reactions. Next manga page he just stares at it in awe, when presumably Tobirama takes chase for it. On the third page Minato still has not teleported the bomb away, with his amazing reactions.

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Finally, Tobirama just doesn't care anymore and takes the mini TBB and shoves it in Rikudobito's face.

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^ Tobirama.

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Minato screams Naruto like a Sakura while Tobirama acts and saves Naruto with Sarutobi.

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Tobirama then proceeds to run after Naruto, leaving Minato in the dust.

#RuffledFeathers

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Please not, these are not all reaction feats. Some show that he is a quicker thinker and quicker at acting than Minato as well, who has better feats than Orochimaru.

 

[Nattana]

Please not, these are not all reaction feats. Some show that he is a quicker thinker and quicker at acting than Minato as well, who has better feats than Orochimaru.

There are literally 0 reaction feats.

1 scan: He got blitzed.
2 scan: He didn't react to that blitz. On the first pic, after he got sliced in half, we can see that Obito doesn't have any tags on him. It was later, when Obito stopped and 'posed', Tobirama somehow managed to tag him.
3/4 scans: Lol. That bomb was there for like 5 panels, Minato managed to think of what he should do, Sasuke managed to push Naruto away - they didn't do anything about that because, you are right, they were in awe. Tobirama was somewhere else and I'm not denying his analytical and calm mind - that's why he rushed in. There's no reaction feat here, since in the meantime many thing happened. And then, it was just a simple FTG. Moreover, it was all off-panel, we don't even know where he was prior to jumping to the bomb.
5/6 scans: Lol, u call it reaction feats? God Tree didn't go after Tobirama at all, so he was watching the whole situation from the beginning. He saw Naruto being caught so he threw his Suiton. Where is that reaction feat when he was aware of the whole situation all the time?

Having said that, it's not like I'm saying Tobirama is slow or has bad reaction feats. He's good in both fields, but to me Orochimaru is still faster AND has better reaction feats (not counting FTG ofc - it's not speed after all).

 

[Penguin]

I am done. You can believe what you want, I honestly do not care anymore. You are a lost cause. But for some thought, maybe you couldn't see the paper bombs because none of them were on his back, which was the only part of his body shown. Anyways peace out.

There are literally 0 reaction feats.

1 scan: He got blitzed.
2 scan: He didn't react to that blitz. On the first pic, after he got sliced in half, we can see that Obito doesn't have any tags on him. It was later, when Obito stopped and 'posed', Tobirama somehow managed to tag him.
3/4 scans: Lol. That bomb was there for like 5 panels, Minato managed to think of what he should do, Sasuke managed to push Naruto away - they didn't do anything about that because, you are right, they were in awe. Tobirama was somewhere else and I'm not denying his analytical and calm mind - that's why he rushed in. There's no reaction feat here, since in the meantime many thing happened. And then, it was just a simple FTG. Moreover, it was all off-panel, we don't even know where he was prior to jumping to the bomb.
5/6 scans: Lol, u call it reaction feats? God Tree didn't go after Tobirama at all, so he was watching the whole situation from the beginning. He saw Naruto being caught so he threw his Suiton. Where is that reaction feat when he was aware of the whole situation all the time?

Having said that, it's not like I'm saying Tobirama is slow or has bad reaction feats. He's good in both fields, but to me Orochimaru is still faster AND has better reaction feats (not counting FTG ofc - it's not speed after all).

Please note, these are not all reaction feats. Some show that he is a quicker thinker and quicker at acting than Minato as well, who has better feats than Orochimaru.

 

[Nattana]

I am done. You can believe what you want, I honestly do not care anymore. You are a lost cause. But for some thought, maybe you couldn't see the paper bombs because none of them were on his back, which was the only part of his body shown. Anyways peace out.

Actually, one part of his body that a bomb was places on WAS shown there. And the paper bomb wasn't there.

And you said that not everything counted as reaction feats. Right, since there were none reaction feats at all. At least nothing THAT impressive.

Also, stop with this 'I'm done.', 'You're hopeless.' and stuff. Notice that I've never said Tobirama was slow, it's you who thinks that I hate him. I actually don't. It's just he's kinda featless right now and Orochimaru is probably a worst character Tobi could be paired with.
Sorry.