He doesn't have to because it takes too long to create. You already posted the evidence that proves you wrong, the crap you posted was irrelevant.:rofl: yeah ok neglected common sense sure body but that statement wasn't contradicting ??? He can't get threw the iron sand world model technque can't hide under-ground because gold-dust but the manda can come hurry an snap his jaw on the kazekage puppet :rofl:
Last I checked allignments don't count in vs fights, but even if they did Manda has 2 options basically kill the kazekage or die. He's not going to refuse to attack because Orochimaru summoned him, that's retarded.Manda doesn't take orders from orochimaru he said next time he meets him it's deathYou must be registered for see images
He even talked about eatting him and he had no replies
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n sasori would destroy orochimaru
Uh, no it isn't. What you're saying is if Kakuzu and Naruto were on a team they wouldn't work together because they're enemies. Manda isn't a bijuu, he's another character.that's like saying Kushina vs Tsnuade thread and saying kushina can go bijuu mode so yes it does count.
As in.. the knowledge both characters know about each other. Not "if a character is a bad guy they stay bad", when have you ever seen that in a vs match?Did you not read what the orginial poster wrote "Knowledge is what the manga says it is(for both characters)" Like the manga said manda clearly stated he isn't working for orochimaru.
Takes to long for it doesHe doesn't have to because it takes too long to create. You already posted the evidence that proves you wrong, the crap you posted was irrelevant.
Last I checked allignments don't count in vs fights, but even if they did Manda has 2 options basically kill the kazekage or die. He's not going to refuse to attack because Orochimaru summoned him, that's retarded.
First scans: He has to do that after he summons sandaime. Unfortunately it takes too long.Takes to long for it does
Sasori slow at summoning puppets ok sure he is :rofl:
You claim Orochimaru to be slower then Manda, kabuto stated that Orochimaru doesn't have any ninjutsu at the moment if manda found out he wouldn't obey. If that's the case if manda is so super sonic fast he would have never feared orochimaru jutsu any way because he's way fast to get hit and Orochimaru & Sasori has the same speed :rofl:
I'm still waiting for you to show me a faster tat summoning???
First scans: He has to do that after he summons sandaime. Unfortunately it takes too long.
Second scan: Wrong puppets.
Ok, just gonna post their prep time right now so you stop, here you go.
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*Cue 1.5 chapters of fighting without even using one grain of Iron Sand*
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Boy, just look at all that prep! So many sentences, so much talking! And he only got to create that much in the end. How unfortunate for sandaime.
Sure takes less time than wiping blood on your arm!
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GG sandaime. i'll take your acceptance of your defeat now, unless you're going to stall some more or something.
Yet again contradicting your self claiming i can't use that summoning as and example but you can with two different occasion that's bias and trolling, It maybe different puppet scrolls but it does back up my case for showing how fast he can summon his puppets if needed, your calming this ridiclous different with un-answered question with more questions and unnneccasry questions.Umm, wut.
it took him like 2 panels and he didn't even have his arms at the time. He summoned snakes in the forest of death even faster, you were even the one who was so kind to post those links.
Then i proved you wrong about the jumping and landing part no respondYou claim Orochimaru to be slower then Manda, kabuto stated that Orochimaru doesn't have any ninjutsu at the moment if manda found out he wouldn't obey. If that's the case if manda is so super sonic fast he would have never feared orochimaru jutsu any way because he's way fast to get hit and Orochimaru & Sasori has the same speed :rofl:
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All 3 of them mid air same location side to side at the sametimeI am not talking about jumping speed and dashing through a forest. I am talking about falling speed. Do you realize how little relevance Naruto jumping ~20 feet holds? It takes less time than Sasori can pull out a scroll, summon 3rd Kazekage, and slowly gather sand. Seriously, enough of ignoring the scans I posted. You literally skipped right over them yet again as if they weren't even there.
Why can't you use that summoning as an example? You were using it to downplay Orochimaru's summoning speed perhaps, but I'm enjoying your lack of response to the prep time and desperation to change the subject. Taking it more seriously now though, are we? Well done.Yet again contradicting your self claiming i can't use that summoning as and example but you can with two different occasion that's bias and trolling, It maybe different puppet scrolls but it does back up my case for showing how fast he can summon his puppets if needed, your calming this ridiclous different with un-answered question with more questions and unnneccasry questions.
Sasori has never done it this way, and it would take far longer than it takes for the above to be summoned in 2 panels.Magnet realease is able to to gather metalic from under-ground
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still haven't answered to question that's the main issue of our topic just to bring us back all the way to letter Z
I was going to get the Team Gai vs Kisame panels, but I ignored those because they're irrelevant. It doesn't really matter if people "fall at different speeds", Orochimaru isn't summoning the fodder summon that he summoned in the FoD here. You're trying to change the subject to avoid the main case at hand, AKA the prep time panels. Orochimaru canThen i proved you wrong about the jumping and landing part no respond
All 3 of them mid air same location side to side
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All 3 of them mid air same location side to side at the sametime
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Look at how they fall down at different rates
I still get no answer if every ninja landing time is the same and these guys jumped up at the sametime side to side why did one land earlier what your saying is rubish? Claiming i'm not giving any answers trolling this thread along trying to flame saying fanboyism is showing and what so lmaoYou must be registered for see links
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You claim Orochimaru to be slower then Manda, kabuto stated that Orochimaru doesn't have any ninjutsu at the moment if manda found out he wouldn't obey. If that's the case if manda is so super sonic fast he would have never feared orochimaru jutsu any way ,because he's way fast to get hit and Orochimaru & Sasori has the same speed so how wouldn't Sasori attack land?Why can't you use that summoning as an example? You were using it to downplay Orochimaru's summoning speed perhaps, but I'm enjoying your lack of response to the prep time and desperation to change the subject. Taking it more seriously now though, are we? Well done.
Sasori has never done it this way, and it would take far longer than it takes for the above to be summoned in 2 panels.
I was going to get the Team Gai vs Kisame panels, but I ignored those because they're irrelevant. It doesn't really matter if people "fall at different speeds", Orochimaru isn't summoning the fodder summon that he summoned in the FoD here. You're trying to change the subject to avoid the main case at hand, AKA the prep time panels. Orochimaru canYou must be registered for see linksandYou must be registered for see linksmuch quicker than Sasori will have a chance.
You know the only thing I'm trying to prove here is Manda is at the very least able to killl the 3rd Kazekage even if he dies in the process, right?
How does speed related to any of that? And I never said Orochimaru was slower than Manda. I said logically 3rd Kazekage has never shown anything fast enough to react to Manda. And when has "Manda not being fast enough to blitz Orochimaru to betray him" ever been an issue?You claim Orochimaru to be slower then Manda, kabuto stated that Orochimaru doesn't have any ninjutsu at the moment if manda found out he wouldn't obey. If that's the case if manda is so super sonic fast he would have never feared orochimaru jutsu any way ,because he's way fast to get hit and Orochimaru & Sasori has the same speed so how wouldn't Sasori attack land?
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Again. The two are nowhere near related, and you are ignoring the large amount of prep time it takes. Just keep skipping over the whole part that sasori will never have time to do that and continue with "Well Sasori CAN gather from the ground" even though it's completely unrelated to the main subject. Since you're avoiding it for a reason(and also gathering takes too much time regardless).Chiyo stated is based on the 1 tails & Gaara fightning style it's used to
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Look at Gaara fight with his dad using magnet release the same
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If Gaara and his dad has very similar fightning technique with his dad the magnet release user your gonna love this.
Look at Gaara's move Rendan Suna Shigure
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Now look closely at Sasori move Satsujigure
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Satsujigure translation Sand Iron Drizzle
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Rendan Suna Shigure translation Sand Drizzle
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So he really doesn't use Magnet release in the way honestly???
How does speed related to any of that? And I never said Orochimaru was slower than Manda. I said logically 3rd Kazekage has never shown anything fast enough to react to Manda. And when has "Manda not being fast enough to blitz Orochimaru to betray him" ever been an issue?
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Again. The two are nowhere near related, and you are ignoring the large amount of prep time it takes. Just keep skipping over the whole part that sasori will never have time to do that and continue with "Well Sasori CAN gather from the ground" even though it's completely unrelated to the main subject. Since you're avoiding it for a reason(and also gathering takes too much time regardless).
Your claiming sasori being to slow to even attack because of prep time and it took no longer then orochimaru summon??? Orochimaru & Sasori both have the same speed in the databook 4.5 kabuto states that if Manda knew orochimaru didn't have his jutsu he would he would betray him. So your saying Sasori wouldn't be able to hit him with it but him with a jutsu but Kabuto states Orochimaru can but both of them has the same speed what am i missing here?Yeah that's fine, Orochimaru also has a 4.5 in speed and Manda was faster than either of them has shown especially in comparison to his size.
He can snap his jaws shut, poison weapons or not 3rd Kazekage puppet would die and it's a fair tradeoff.
Even if they did slice him and it was a matter of Manda surviving I doubt they'd do much to him, and poison affecting a regular human is much different than affecting a giant summon whose eye is as big as 5 people.
Well, since you didn't refute it I guess you agree. I did say he was faster than either of them had shown so yeah I guess you're right. Manda eats 3rd Kazekage puppet since he's too slow.You never stated that that Manda was faster then Orochimaru really ??? Contradicting your self again?
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Shall we compare again? Here you go:Your claiming sasori being to slow to even attack because of prep time and it took no longer then orochimaru summon???
Ohh I get your point. No, being faster than something=/=your ability to beat them, Orochimaru has enough in his arsenal and "Can perform jutsu" enough for Manda to "not betray him". There's a difference between never showing the speed for doing something than having the techniques in your arsenal and proven superior. 3rd Kazekage can't do anything, it takes too much time, he dies.Orochimaru & Sasori both have the same speed in the databook 4.5 kabuto states that if Manda knew orochimaru didn't have his jutsu he would he would betray him. So your saying Sasori wouldn't be able to hit him with it but him with a jutsu but Kabuto states Orochimaru can but both of them has the same speed what am i missing here?
THE SCANS I'M POSTING. They said like 10 sentences in between Sasori summoning the puppet and slowly gathering iron sand. And he EVEN FOUGHT FOR TWO ENTIRE CHAPTERS WITHOUT USING ANY IRON SAND AT ALL. All Manda has to do is lunge forward and it's game. Like you just admitted just now, Chiyo is a 4 and Sakura is a 3.5, and THEY were reacting.How does it take took long there was both Sakura and Chiyo seen this attack coming they couldn't dodge so they had to block with the puppets lady chiyo Speed is a 4 and sakura 3.5 and he had to aim a both from two different locations at the sametime. What preparation is too slow???
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Well, since you didn't refute it I guess you agree. I did say he was faster than either of them had shown so yeah I guess you're right. Manda eats 3rd Kazekage puppet since he's too slow.
Shall we compare again? Here you go:
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TWO CHAPTERS WITHOUT FIGHTING WITH ANY IRON SAND WHATSOEVER TAKES PLACE FROM THIS POINT UNTIL NEXT SCAN
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Ohh I get your point. No, being faster than something=/=your ability to beat them, Orochimaru has enough in his arsenal and "Can perform jutsu" enough for Manda to "not betray him". There's a difference between never showing the speed for doing something than having the techniques in your arsenal and proven superior. 3rd Kazekage can't do anything, it takes too much time, he dies.
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Takes longer than the above scans. Please stop attempting to deny it and ignoring the scans outright.
THE SCANS I'M POSTING. They said like 10 sentences in between Sasori summoning the puppet and slowly gathering iron sand. And he EVEN FOUGHT FOR TWO ENTIRE CHAPTERS WITHOUT USING ANY IRON SAND AT ALL. All Manda has to do is lunge forward and it's game. Like you just admitted just now, Chiyo is a 4 and Sakura is a 3.5, and THEY were reacting.
See previous and don't ignore the prep scans again.
We're not discussing Orochimaru's willingness, he easily stomps without Manda but this all started when I said Manda was 1 method of easily taking 3rd Kazekage out to start. So it's not up to Oro's willingness to summon Manda because we already established that. It's up to Manda vs 3rd and he's not winningYour point is?Orochimaru to summon manda in battle 6 chapters since the battle began 163-169
Oh? Blocked with the puppets? But that is reacting effectively. And what happened to the puppets "having equal speed" to their caster? So I guess Manda wins even easier now.Sakura and chiyo couldn't dodge that attack that's why chiyo blocked with the puppets Manda is fast enough to slash at Sasori 3rd Kazepuppet like that.
Since when does 3rd have enough time for that, oh wait he doesn'tThat's aiming for 2 directions
Obvious he does because he already didWe're not discussing Orochimaru's willingness, he easily stomps without Manda but this all started when I said Manda was 1 method of easily taking 3rd Kazekage out to start. So it's not up to Oro's willingness to summon Manda because we already established that. It's up to Manda vs 3rd and he's not winning Oh? Blocked with the puppets? But that is reacting effectively. And what happened to the puppets "having equal speed" to their caster? So I guess Manda wins even easier now.
Since when does 3rd have enough time for that, oh wait he doesn't
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If chiyo with the speed of a 4 out 5 and sakura with 3.5 got stopped by Sasori 3rd Kazekage puppet easily then how is it slow.You must be registered for see links
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Uhh yeah, because Chiyo and Sakura sat on their asses for 2 minutes while he pulled out the scroll adn summoned it, and they still reacted. And Manda has shown being faster than Sasori and the puppet have ever displayed.Obvious he does because he already did
He doesn't have time yet he caught some with 3.5 in speed and pinned down someone with a 4 at the same time.
If chiyo with the speed of a 4 out 5 and sakura with 3.5 got stopped by Sasori 3rd Kazekage puppet easily then how is it slow.
wait wait are you claiming Oro has nothing against Iron Sand??Takes to long for it does
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Sasori slow at summoning puppets ok sure he is :rofl:
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You claim Orochimaru to be slower then Manda, kabuto stated that Orochimaru doesn't have any ninjutsu at the moment if manda found out he wouldn't obey. If that's the case if manda is so super sonic fast he would have never feared orochimaru jutsu any way because he's way fast to get hit and Orochimaru & Sasori has the same speed :rofl:
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I'm still waiting for you to show me a faster tat summoning???
Yes because a snake out speeding a slug makes a good argument about how fast manda is, a fish on land can move faster then a slug lmao.Uhh yeah, because Chiyo and Sakura sat on their asses for 2 minutes while he pulled out the scroll adn summoned it, and they still reacted. And Manda has shown being faster than Sasori and the puppet have ever displayed.
If you read the whole thread I stated Orochimaru would win i'm saying his summon Manda is a bad match up against iron sand .wait wait are you claiming Oro has nothing against Iron Sand??