[VS] orochimaru vs obito

[TheEvilOne]

If Obito can truly kill someone with a genjutsu, why he didn't killed the Gokage in the summit arc? :|

 

[Draphsin]

no
Itachi's genjutsu >>> Obito's genjutsu
but Obito still beats Oro

Okay well i'm not talking about skill with genjutsu or tsukuyomi.

Itachi is more skilled with genjutsu, but obito has genjutsu that is just as strong.

In this situation strength =/= skill, so Itachi is still the better genjutsu user.

And you're right, if obito can destroy multiple people with genjutsu alone (fu, torune, konan) then he can easily destroy oro the same way.

He has no counter to genjutsu, the fanboys think he can escape because obito's genjutsu is "weaker"? lol even if itachi did have stronger genjutsu, that doesnt change the fact that oro cant do sh*t about it

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If Obito can truly kill someone with a genjutsu, why he didn't killed the Gokage in the summit arc? :|

ohh plot.

I honestly don't think genjutsu can kill. Even itachi's op genjutsu's were just meant to break the mind.

 

[Draphsin]

Show me this manga fact and nkt your interpretation of what occurred. You tend to do that a lot.

Already showed it to you, simple..

Itachi never used his genjutsu to kill/controll/severely harm Kakashi, Sasuke or Deidara. Therefore, nope it doesn't haha

He used genjutsu to harm oro, that was the only person in the manga that Itachi ever had the intent to kill with genjutsu. Kakashi? lol Itachi cant harm kakashi who possesses the sharingan. Sasuke? same reason, lmfao. Deidara? Itachi never intended to harm deidara, unless you can provide a reason as to why Itachi would wound a teammate.

Itachi has shown in canon manga that he can use genjutsu to harm his opponents. Oro is the prime example of that

Last i checked, there was still question on whether that was Madara himself

Its impossible for it to be madara

It was an uchiha with black hair, bandages all over his body, & only 1 sharingan in the right socket. Please tell me how that's madara? Occam's razor favors me, sorry bud *_*

 

[blazekev90]

Okay well i'm not talking about skill with genjutsu or tsukuyomi.

Itachi is more skilled with genjutsu, but obito has genjutsu that is just as strong.

In this situation strength =/= skill, so Itachi is still the better genjutsu user.

And you're right, if obito can destroy multiple people with genjutsu alone (fu, torune, konan) then he can easily destroy oro the same way.

He has no counter to genjutsu, the fanboys think he can escape because obito's genjutsu is "weaker"? lol even if itachi did have stronger genjutsu, that doesnt change the fact that oro cant do sh*t about it

Let's say Tobi=Itachi in genjutsu, this doesn't change the fact that Orochimaru was able to move after being his binding genjutsu! He still moved, wtf! Lol

Itachi had to prevent him from doing so. Tobi using anything except binding genjutsu would fail abd that may evenbe broken, hence he has a stronger host.

None of the those you mentioned had a 5 in genjutsu, so yes i will consider there lack of skill in comparison to Orochi.

And as you said, Orochi being fully aware of genjutsu and Obito not being as cleaver, Orochi falling to that is very slim.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

this thread should be closed
it's pointless to put Orochimaru, healthy or sick, against anyone with Sharingan
btw @Blazekev I thought you weren't a fanboy of him anymore since "Kishi ruined him" U_U

 

[blazekev90]

Already showed it to you, simple..



He used genjutsu to harm oro, that was the only person in the manga that Itachi ever had the intent to kill with genjutsu. Kakashi? lol Itachi cant harm kakashi who possesses the sharingan. Sasuke? same reason, lmfao. Deidara? Itachi never intended to harm deidara, unless you can provide a reason as to why Itachi would wound a teammate.

Itachi has shown in canon manga that he can use genjutsu to harm his opponents. Oro is the prime example of that



Its impossible for it to be madara

It was an uchiha with black hair, bandages all over his body, & only 1 sharingan in the right socket. Please tell me how that's madara? Occam's razor favors me, sorry bud *_*

My point exactly! Itachi put all his effort in harming Oro and yet that genjutsu didn't prevent his movement.

During that time Obito was still a child, most likely still being treated. That's another discussion in all

 

[blazekev90]

this thread should be closed
it's pointless to put Orochimaru, healthy or sick, against anyone with Sharingan
btw @Blazekev I thought you weren't a fanboy of him anymore since "Kishi ruined him" U_U

I'm not his fanboy anymore, but I'm not too fond of this user and i get entertainment out of this haha

 

[xcoyote]

Let's say Tobi=Itachi in genjutsu, this doesn't change the fact that Orochimaru was able to move after being his binding genjutsu! He still moved, wtf! Lol

Itachi had to prevent him from doing so. Tobi using anything except binding genjutsu would fail abd that may evenbe broken, hence he has a stronger host.

None of the those you mentioned had a 5 in genjutsu, so yes i will consider there lack of skill in comparison to Orochi.

And as you said, Orochi being fully aware of genjutsu and Obito not being as cleaver, Orochi falling to that is very slim.

he gave you a proper manga fact that Obito kills his target with genjutsu
you answered like this ''Itachi never used his genjutsu to kill/controll/severely harm Kakashi, Sasuke or Deidara. Therefore, nope it doesn't haha''
then you speculated this "Orochi falling to that is very slim."
when clearly in the manga Orochimarus falls to genjutsu
try to debunk properly draphsins claim or this debate is lost and Obito takes this cause of genjutsu low diff

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

My point exactly! Itachi put all his effort in harming Oro and yet that genjutsu didn't prevent his movement.

During that time Obito was still a child, most likely still being treated. That's another discussion in all

the fact that HE COULD HAVE KILLED ORO BUT HE DIDN'T totally disproves your theory

 

[blazekev90]

the fact that HE COULD HAVE KILLED ORO BUT HE DIDN'T totally disproves your theory

That wasn't my theory, he stated that. Stop jumping in, damn i hate when users do that. That's like jumping into a conversation with ppl u don't know, ruins it all lol

 

[Draphsin]

If Obito can truly kill someone with a genjutsu, why he didn't killed the Gokage in the summit arc? :|

lol because it probably requires concentration.

That's the whole reason why obito needed to grab konan, its the only way he can utilize such a powerful genjutsu..

Every jutsu has a weakness, killing someone by glancing would be too OP, however killing someone with genjutsu that requires lots of concentration makes sense.

Let's say Tobi=Itachi in genjutsu, this doesn't change the fact that Orochimaru was able to move after being his binding genjutsu! He still moved, wtf! Lol

He moved because Itachi merely used a paralyzing genjutsu, obito uses genjutsu that knocks out the opponent, how is oro going to move during that?

Itachi had to prevent him from doing so. Tobi using anything except binding genjutsu would fail abd that may evenbe broken, hence he has a stronger host.

Obito uses a genjutsu that knocks the enemy unconscious, much more efficient than using mere paralysis/binding genjutsu.

Oro cant move when he's being put to sleep. (or even killed)

None of the those you mentioned had a 5 in genjutsu, so yes i will consider there lack of skill in comparison to Orochi.

Oro still has no counters or ways to break genjutsu, especially sharingan genjutsu which is one of the strongest types (only beaten by sound).

And as you said, Orochi being fully aware of genjutsu and Obito not being as cleaver, Orochi falling to that is very slim.

Obito is more battle-smart than oro, oro uses his regeneration techniques to avoid & tank attacks, obito needs to apply a form of strategy when using kamui, this strategy has made him good at analyzing abilities & fighting with tactics.

They both have a vast knowledge on the ninja world & multiple other things, they are equal in overall intelligence but obito has shown more tactical intelligence. Oro would only be aware of genjutsu once he's trapped in genjutsu, but once he's trapped in genjutsu then he's done for good.

 

[TheEvilOne]

lol because it probably requires concentration.

That's the whole reason why obito needed to grab konan, its the only way he can utilize such a powerful genjutsu..

Every jutsu has a weakness, killing someone by glancing would be too OP, however killing someone with genjutsu that requires lots of concentration makes sense.

So you are making assumptions? I see. So I assume Obito can't kill someone with a genjutsu, that's why he didn't killed them

 

[blazekev90]

he gave you a proper manga fact that Obito kills his target with genjutsu
you answered like this ''Itachi never used his genjutsu to kill/controll/severely harm Kakashi, Sasuke or Deidara. Therefore, nope it doesn't haha''
then you speculated this "Orochi falling to that is very slim."
when clearly in the manga Orochimarus falls to genjutsu
try to debunk properly draphsins claim or this debate is lost and Obito takes this cause of genjutsu low diff

Please go somewhere, your fails started as soon as you got on response confused,. That was in relation to something else.

Again, Orochimaru wasn't expecting to be caught in genjutsu, hence his reaction. This surprised even himself. People act like he is weak/unfamiliar to genjutsu.he has a 5 in genjutsu for a reason. He studied the uhicha beyondmmost clan members.

Later when sasuke tried to used the same genjutsu as Itachi did it failed.

You're ignored from this point on.

 

[Draphsin]

So you are making assumptions? I see. So I assume Obito can't kill someone with a genjutsu, that's why he didn't killed them

I proved with manga scans that obito can kill with genjutsu, I was merely stating the reason why I believe he cant do it all the time.

I have the right to make an assumption because I proved my fact right with a manga scan, you cant assume that obito cant kill with genjutsu because it contradicts the manga's canon

 

[blazekev90]

I proved with manga scans that obito can kill with genjutsu, I was merely stating the reason why I believe he cant do it all the time.

I have the right to make an assumption because I proved my fact right with a manga scan, you cant assume that obito cant kill with genjutsu because it contradicts the manga's canon

So i have no right to make an assumption that Orochimaru would either break or avoid his genjutsu, knowing he 1) has 5 genjtusu 2) was able to resists Itachi's restraint 3) bypassed Sasuke using the same genjutuu

Whereas you're using a black as a conclusion (more of an assumption) that this killed Konan, a shinobi who defiantly doesn't have a skill in 5 genjutsu or any skill at all

 

[TheEvilOne]

I proved with manga scans that obito can kill with genjutsu, I was merely stating the reason why I believe he cant do it all the time.

I have the right to make an assumption because I proved my fact right with a manga scan, you cant assume that obito cant kill with genjutsu because it contradicts the manga's canon

No, you didn't proved it. You only assume that Obito killed her with a genjutsu, when the manga clearly shows: 1) he stabbed Konan 2) he grabbed Konan's throat. Both moves are capable of killing a human. Neji was stabbed by a stick = he died. Even in real world, you can kill someone by breaking his trachea.

 

[Thoth]

I think that Orochimaru has chances of winning because he is really tough. Although, I think favours go in Obito's benefit.

 

[Draphsin]

So i have no right to make an assumption that Orochimaru would either break or avoid his genjutsu, knowing he 1) has 5 genjtusu 2) was able to resists Itachi's restraint 3) bypassed Sasuke using the same genjutuu

Feats >>> Hype

1) Oro's genjutsu feats <<<< His genjutsu hype, his 5 in genjutsu would mean that he can break out of genjutsu no matter what. Perfect jinchuuriki would be 5 in genjutsu, unless you can prove that oro's genjutsu resistance = a perfect jinchuuriki's.

2) Oro was only able to slightly resist a paralysis genjutsu, this was because he knew he was in genjutsu. Obito's genjutsu will knock the enemy out completely. By the time oro realizes he's in genjutsu then it will be too late, he will be knocked out or killed.

3) Sasuke is a weak genjutsu user....

Whereas you're using a black as a conclusion (more of an assumption) that this killed Konan, a shinobi who defiantly doesn't have a skill in 5 genjutsu or any skill at all

Kishi has shown blackness to depict death before:

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Blackness = death....

& seriously stop bringing this 5 genjutsu bs into this argument, how do you know that oro just doesnt have powerful genjutsu himself? Where in the databooks does it say that having a 5 in genjutsu makes you genjutsu resistant/immune??

Kurenai has a 5 in genjutsu, Itachi fodderized her with a simple binding genjutsu.

This debate is now over

 

[Fodder#4]

The Dragon Abadon?

Dear Lord, he has been here for a year then? God. . The damn child/teenager/puppy rapist!