Orochimaru vs Minato

[Haizaki]

Location: An open field
Intel: Full
Intent: Kill
Restrictions: RDS

Scenario 2: Zetsu Orochimaru
Restrictions: RDS

I'm encouraging every logical debater to post as I'm unsure about this fight....I'm going to actually read every single post and your points would convince on who wins. Doesn't matter if you've debated this before so please drop your reasons

 

[Brother Numpsay]

S1: Go either way

S2: It gets pretty clear that Orochimaru wins this.

Lets keep in mind that absorbing Zetsu not only gave him a physical boost but also is giving him better

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along with White Snake regeneration. Both are working together to take on Minato's blitz attacks/damage.

So pretty much the same counters he can to beat Minato is added along the fact the Orochimaru last longer, steals chakra nature and character attributes that are compatible to his level.

 

[Haizaki]

S1: Go either way

S2: It gets pretty clear that Orochimaru wins this.

Lets keep in mind that absorbing Zetsu not only gave him a physical boost but also is giving him better

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along with White Snake regeneration. Both are working together to take on Minato's blitz attacks/damage.

So pretty much the same counters he can to beat Minato is added along the fact the Orochimaru last longer, steals chakra nature and character attributes that are compatible to his level.

Fine points with the Zetsu aspect.

 

[Nattana]

Orochimaru wins. Minato isn't diverse enough.

A)Oro has superior summons.
B)Has battlefield advantage: hidden snakes can destroy scattered kunai, Minato has no way of dealing with Formation of 10k Snakes - I wanna see him dancing around thousands of poisonous snakes armed with Kusanagi.
C)Any mark is deal with by using Body Replacement.
D)Minato cannot even damage Orochimaru.
E)Argument with FTG blitz till Oro runs out of chakra is irrelevant, since it's not 1vs1, but Minato vs Orochimaru with many summons and a lot of sneaky attacks. 1 scratch and Minato is done for.
F)Minato has nothing on 8branches. I head arguments about Minato sealing it, but there's no way 8 separate heads are going to let him prepare his sealing ritual.
G)Daitoppa reflects all thrown kunai.

Scenario 2 makes it way easier for Orochimaru to win.

 

[super yang]

0ros body can negate any tagging w/ snake kawarimi & leeching thru matter.

Minato can't hurt eight branches form.

Sea of snakes & Tunneling prevent the tagging altogether & along w/ heat sensing & sword spam, make ftg usage dangerous

minato gets poisoned by blood vapor

zetsu stuff hype is ridiculous

 

[Beans2]

Minato wins mid difficulty. Orochimaru stands no chance at reacting to Minato, who will proceed to cut him up with kunai slashes, over and over again. Orochimaru can't heal from these attacks forever. Eventually he'll be forced to spam oral rebirth, then he dies.

 

[RedRobin]

Likely hood of Minato continuously slashing Orochimaru until his chakra runs out is low.

I am going to give this to Orochimaru. He has good counters to Minato's attacks and its very hard for Minato to put him down.

 

[RedRobin]

Orochimaru wins. Minato isn't diverse enough.

A)Oro has superior summons.
B)Has battlefield advantage: hidden snakes can destroy scattered kunai, Minato has no way of dealing with Formation of 10k Snakes - I wanna see him dancing around thousands of poisonous snakes armed with Kusanagi.
C)Any mark is deal with by using Body Replacement.
D)Minato cannot even damage Orochimaru.
E)Argument with FTG blitz till Oro runs out of chakra is irrelevant, since it's not 1vs1, but Minato vs Orochimaru with many summons and a lot of sneaky attacks. 1 scratch and Minato is done for.
F)Minato has nothing on 8branches. I head arguments about Minato sealing it, but there's no way 8 separate heads are going to let him prepare his sealing ritual.
G)Daitoppa reflects all thrown kunai.

Scenario 2 makes it way easier for Orochimaru to win.

They all have the sword?

 

[Nattana]

They all have the sword?

Yes. And they can turn themselves into Kusanagi as well.

 

[RedRobin]

Yes. And they can turn themselves into Kusanagi as well.

I thought there was only 1 sword that Orochimaru had that would come from his mouth?

 

[super yang]

I thought there was only 1 sword that Orochimaru had that would come from his mouth?

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[Nattana]

I thought there was only 1 sword that Orochimaru had that would come from his mouth?

We don't have any information about how Kusanagi works, but it looks like it's closely related to the snakes themselves. Snakes are equipped with it just like Orochimaru, they can turn themselves into Kusanagi and Orochimaru has one as well.

 

[RedRobin]

We don't have any information about how Kusanagi works, but it looks like it's closely related to the snakes themselves. Snakes are equipped with it just like Orochimaru, they can turn themselves into Kusanagi and Orochimaru has one as well.

I see.

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[Ghost in the Shell]

Non-Zetsu Orochimaru loses with medium difficulty at the most but Zetsu Orochimaru at least has something going for him in this match.

- Hashirama's cells imbue Oro with higher physical energy and stronger chakra [

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] so implicatively all of his techniques and transformations should be more powerful and more durable.

- Added healing power on top of the already existing white snake immortality could let Orochimaru tank more of Minato's rasengans and kunai slashes before the former has to use Oral Rebirth. Keep in mind that teenage Obito who just has half of a Zetsu body

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after placing Kurama under genjutsu and summoning him onto Konoha, while

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even after using a tremendous amount of chakra to control the edo jinchuuriki and summon the Gedo Mazō. Non Zetsu Orochimaru obviously takes a massive dump on non Zetsu Obito in terms of durability. Oro has a full Zetsu body, so factoring that along with the white snake power, his durability and physical parameters should still be tiers above Obito's.

- Mayfly and spores [

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] are both undetectable by sensors. Parasitic clones can use these techniques as well, and Minato could get tagged just by being near Orochimaru or his clones since White Zetsu planted the Gokage, their body guards, and the present samurai without having touched any of them. Not to mention that said clones don't take much chakra to manifest, don't disperse when attacked, and can

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absorbed chakra back to Orochimaru.


I'm still leaning to Minato for the win but it'd be with high difficulty at the least for me.

 

[Omar19992010]

I'm assuming this is Alive Minato and ET is restricted. If that's the case Minato stomps.

 

[Bogard]

Non-Zetsu Orochimaru loses with medium difficulty at the most but Zetsu Orochimaru at least has something going for him in this match.

- Hashirama's cells imbue Oro with higher physical energy and stronger chakra [

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] so implicatively all of his techniques and transformations should be more powerful and more durable.

- Added healing power on top of the already existing white snake immortality could let Orochimaru tank more of Minato's rasengans and kunai slashes before the former has to use Oral Rebirth. Keep in mind that teenage Obito who just has half of a Zetsu body

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after placing Kurama under genjutsu and summoning him onto Konoha, while

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even after using a tremendous amount of chakra to control the edo jinchuuriki and summon the Gedo Mazō. Non Zetsu Orochimaru obviously takes a massive dump on non Zetsu Obito in terms of durability. Oro has a full Zetsu body, so factoring that along with the white snake power, his durability and physical parameters should still be tiers above Obito's.

- Mayfly and spores [

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]-[

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] are both undetectable by sensors. Parasitic clones can use these techniques as well, and Minato could get tagged just by being near Orochimaru or his clones since White Zetsu planted the Gokage, their body guards, and the present samurai without having touched any of them. Not to mention that said clones don't take much chakra to manifest, don't disperse when attacked, and can

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absorbed chakra back to Orochimaru.


I'm still leaning to Minato for the win but it'd be with high difficulty at the least for me.

Orochimaru can't use Zetsu abilities

This fanfic Orochimaru you people are creating giving him Zetsu abilities needs to stop. Until proven otherwise, Orochimaru can't perform them and it's not because he has a Zetsu body that we should give him their abilities

To use techniques, it comes down to skills. Some of them requires years of training time to create/perform them(if you could even perform them to begin with). Even Uchiha geniuses like Sasuke(surpassing Orochimaru's own to his own admission [

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]) couldn't perform C-Rank Katon techniques without intense training [

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] despite having being taught the seals a while ago already [

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].

Spiral Zetsu was surprised that Obito who possess half a Zetsu body had the skills to perform the Mokuton sashiki so fast without training [

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], telling him he now knows why Madara choosed him(because of his quick learning potential).

At least half Obito's body is made of Zetsu(cells he controls perfectly unlike others like Danzo on his own admission), he has full knowledge on them for obvious reasons even more so than Orochimaru, yet he never showed the capability to use their ninjutsu like mayfly, sensing, telepathy, spore clones and so on. There is nothing that suggest Orochimaru's capability to use them even with his knowledge.

Like i've mentioned above, to create/perform a technique, it requires some times years of training(if you even can), giving the example of a genius above Orochimaru(Sasuke) who was uncapable to use a C-Rank Katon technique despite having being taught the seals of the jutsu a while ago already. If Orochimaru could use the mayfly technique for example, he would have used it to reach Sasuke(when he was dying) faster since the jutsu allows the user to cover large distances at high speed.

Orochimaru was worried about going as fast as possible to reach Sasuke especially after hearing about the mysterious guy, with Jugo suspecting he wants to take his body, yet he didn't think about using the mayfly technique when it's much faster, for the simple reason for me that he can't perform the technique

Talking about sensing, Orochimaru already showed he lacked the ability, relying on Karin instead, when we know that Zetsus are powerful sensors.

So again, nothing and i say nothing shows or even implies Orochimaru could use Zetsu techniques, whether he has a Zetsu body or not

OT: I don't care about this match-up, so who ever wins, win

 

[Bantos]

Orochimaru mid difficulty.
Minato's only attacks are rasengan and a stab and a slash. Such attacks are nothing against Orochimaru.
If Orochimaru decides to go true form he can just poison Minato.

 

[LuckyMan]

Its interesting that some think Minato can't hurt Orochimaru despite his limbs were shown susceptible to be severed by kunai, chakra scalpels, chakra claws, and chidori yet some how multiple pumpkin sized Rasengans won't hurt him.

 

[xanonymosx]

minato can hurt orochi for sure but the question is can he finish him ? cause orochi is a living dead i dont know if minato has what it takes to put him down

 

[Izanamı.]

Orochimaru can't react to Minato's shunshin, let alone to Minato's strikes after he gets marked with FTG. Minato kills him over and over forcing him to use Oral rebirth until he wastes his chakra and dies.