[VS] Orochimaru vs. Kisame

[Conspirator.]

Kisame takes out Orochimaru with no more than mid diff.

 

[ARGUS]

Kisame comfortably wins

 

[Char Aznable]

Kisame negs.

 

[Draegod]

Lol, that's what most gyms do though. If you're a member, you gotta pay the monthly payment every month regardless if you go or not. But yeah, feel you. It's kind off hard balancing between school, work, and gym... but I try to hit up the gym at least 4-5 days a week to get these gains lol.

I personally don't see Manda being on any Biju's level, considering TBB's and all their exclusive special abilities such as the Ichibis sand body that can seal Manda on contact or Saikens acidic body that would melt away Manda on contact. Two different pedestals, imo. In Kisames case, it isn't just his chakra that was said to be on par with Biju's. He was hyped up to

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effectively. He solo'd the 4 tails Jin with seemingly not too much effort, and went head to head with Killer Bee so the hype is justified.

Against Manda... well let's just assume the worst case scenario here. Snakes swallow their prey whole, so let's assume Manda mistakenly swallows Kisame. You realize Kisame is a ****in' savage, right? Just like Gin/Kin did to the Kyubi, Kisame would feast on Mandas insides, and absorb all it's chakra. That or he simply forcibly

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himself out with Bakusui Shōha. Hydras a whole nother *****, but it's slow and drowns in the WD, gets gradually eaten by a bunch of shark summons, and/or Kisame depletes his chakra completely.

This niguh tryna get big. haha

Manda is easily on a Bijuu level bar the last 3 (the flying one as well). Bunta was able to combat The 1 tails and help against the 9 tails. Manda is Bijuu size, faster then them all (not including perfect parters like Kurama and naruto speeds).The TBB is soooooo Slow (fact 1), He easily no diff goes under ground to avoid any TBB from any Bijuu, period! He has the strength to easily Subdue most if not all if Bunta was able to hold the Kyubi flat on his face then Manda a Giant King Python will no diff have the Power to Bind the Majority. You just like the rest of the Site look at Portrayal not actual Feats, height, weight, timing in attacks, brains etc etc. Manda is easily smarter then them all with out a host bar the last 2.

So I'll break it down for you and the viewers:
1.

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with out a Perfect Jin/host/partner
2.

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, so Manda with is blazing speed Burros underground.
3. Manda is smarter then a Non perfect Jin Bijuu
4. Manda could swallow most of them, or crush the majority into submission

I can go into detail if need be.

Then the Notion that Kisame is on the level of a Bijuu is false and it has never been stated nor shown or hinted in the manga. He can be the level of a NON PERFECT JINJURIKI all he wants (many other ninjas are), that doesn't mean he is ON BIJUU LEVEL OR CAN DEFEAT ANY BIJUU. There isn't a single Bijuu he could Defeat by himself.

1. He had a hard time with Roshi a non perfect jin, fact!
2. He had a hard time with a Playing around Killer bee who had to watch and look after a Giant racoon and his Master. Then on top of that He never went Bijuu mode to insta Win, fact!

If either one of them would had went Full Bijuu mode, that would have been GG. SO no The "Hype" isn't justified on him being any where close to Bijuu level. Bee had handicapps, and Roshi wasn't a perfect jin.

And with Manda; No, He would Crush Kisame with

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or

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! The sheer force and Size of Manda will kill 99.9% of Naruto Vs with out any armors or Defenses (i.e. Susanoo, rotation, Rashomon, raiton mode, kurama mode etc etc). Kisame had a Hole blown through his chest with a Human sized blow (which was stupid powerful, not taking anything away from bee at all). But with something that

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.. He will die!

If Manda decides to swallow... lol... The muscles of the mouth

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or digestive process alone in the Giant Python would Crush Kisame almost instantly, or/plus The Enzymes and acids will melt him in the process! He wont have time to do much of anything really. Then we have the Notion that every one can do WHAT DISTANT RELATIVES OF THE SAGE OF THE SIX PATHS CLAN (kin gin bros) can do? Really bro? First off, if kisame eats the snakes inside, he dies from the bacteria. Second off, eating Muscles does equal eating chakra, Kurama is literally Chakra and was created from chakra, Manda is a Beast born and created like regular beings on Earth. With the acids and bacteria, he wont even get a chance to last long if he tries what the Kinginbros did. haha

SO in short:

1. Kisame stands no chance against Manda.
2. Kisame stands no chance against Multiple Giant snakes plus Manda and Oru.
3. Kisame has Zero Counters to White snake poison, and Hydra who would take each limb and literally rip him apart with zero resistance!

 

[Sin of Wrath]

Kisame low/mid diff.

 

[Nattana]

The truth is, Orochimaru outclasses Kisame in every single field but chakra reserves. And even that is not 100% confirmed, since current Zetsu Orochimaru has his reserves massively increased.

 

[Draegod]

The truth is, Orochimaru outclasses Kisame in every single field but chakra reserves. And even that is not 100% confirmed, since current Zetsu Orochimaru has his reserves massively increased.

Zetsu Oru is overkill and not needed.

 

[Haizaki]

Kisame takes it Med diff. Zetsu Oro? Kisame wins high diff.

EDIT: Zetsu probably doesn't make a difference.

 

[Draegod]

Kisame takes it Med diff. Zetsu Oro? Kisame wins high diff.

EDIT: Zetsu probably doesn't make a difference.

How does he even stand a chance bruh? I know why FT does, wanna here your version though.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Maybe someone should organize a formal debate for this?

 

[Nattana]

Maybe someone should organize a formal debate for this?

It's been a long time since I debated so if there's someone brave enough to defend Kisame against Oro, I'd be down for it

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How does he even stand a chance bruh? I know why FT does, wanna here your version though.

Maybe you can convince him on what Hydra can do. I tried but, he doesn't agree.

 

[Haizaki]

How does he even stand a chance bruh? I know why FT does, wanna here your version though.

No problem bro..I usually can't break it down but I'd like to see his main counters to this.

Water dome? GSB to finish Manda off? Sensing? Clones? 1000 sharks? Absorption?

Wait we're discussing Non Zetsu Oro right? Let's do that first before we move on to Zetsu Oro.

Maybe you can convince him on what Hydra can do. I tried but, he doesn't agree.

That's because you were wrong in that case...There's no doubt about that considering I showed proof of what should have happened if you were right. Let's no drag something we've dragged before. I don't want to debate 2 good people at a time.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That's because you were wrong in that case...There's no doubt about that considering I showed proof of what should have happened if you were right. Let's no drag something we've dragged before. I don't want to debate 2 good people at a time.

I wasn't going to, I said maybe Draegod could. GL/Have fun ^^

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kisame only problem here is Manda once he's out of the picture Orochimaru gets raped. ​

 

[HNIC]

Kisame only problem here is Manda once he's out of the picture Orochimaru gets raped. ​

How does he eliminate Manda to begin with?

 

[TRE MERCER]

How does he eliminate Manda to begin with?

That's what im thinking of L0l. ​

 

[HNIC]

That's what im thinking of L0l. ​

Well while you're thinking of that, try thinking of how he defeats superior snakes as well. Lol

-All snakes counter dome, including Orochimaru.
-They're not drowning.
-any major external damage, it'll shed it's skin
- this isn't taking into account speed, strength, sensing, etc.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

This niguh tryna get big. haha

Manda is easily on a Bijuu level bar the last 3 (the flying one as well). Bunta was able to combat The 1 tails and help against the 9 tails. Manda is Bijuu size, faster then them all (not including perfect parters like Kurama and naruto speeds).The TBB is soooooo Slow (fact 1), He easily no diff goes under ground to avoid any TBB from any Bijuu, period! He has the strength to easily Subdue most if not all if Bunta was able to hold the Kyubi flat on his face then Manda a Giant King Python will no diff have the Power to Bind the Majority. You just like the rest of the Site look at Portrayal not actual Feats, height, weight, timing in attacks, brains etc etc. Manda is easily smarter then them all with out a host bar the last 2.

So I'll break it down for you and the viewers:
1.

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with out a Perfect Jin/host/partner
2.

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, so Manda with is blazing speed Burros underground.
3. Manda is smarter then a Non perfect Jin Bijuu
4. Manda could swallow most of them, or crush the majority into submission

Where do you conclude that Manda is smarter then Bijuu that have been around for like literal centuries?

Bunta was very quickly and easily overwhelmed by Ichibi, who didn't even use his sand manipulation or fuinjutsu, so that isn't helping your case. The difference in overall power and strength between that fight is enough for me to conclude boss summons aren't on a Biju's level. Food Cart Destroyer uses the sheer mass and weight of a giant toad being dropped from considerably high in the sky... The gravitional force from that is what momentarily restrained the Kyubi. That's not a feat to suggest boss summons are on par with Biju's. Yes, Manda will be able to avoid TBB's from taking refuge underground (Just like Kisame *Cough*), but what I was implying is the overall destructive power Bijuu's possess.

You already admitted Manda is weaker then the 7-9 tails. He has nothing on the 6 tails, because coming in any contact with it means coming in contact with

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which even Bee couldn't bare as it was burning through his skin. Not to mention, it's huge AoE slime to slow Manda down and corrosive gas that would make it impossible for Manda to get to Saiken without taking extensive damage, as it disintegrates whatever it touches. Same principle with the 5 tails

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which could melt away ice created by Kaguya, and the 4 tails

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, as well as it's physical attributes. The 3 tails surprisingly has good

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and can create tough durable

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on contact, which restricts movement and gradually grows along the targets body. Two tails is just pathetic, but Manda has absolutely nothing on the 1 tails whose sand body isn't effected by physical attacks. All Manda can do is attempt to restrain them, and unfortunately for him, just coming in contact with the most of them works against him.

Then the Notion that Kisame is on the level of a Bijuu is false and it has never been stated nor shown or hinted in the manga. He can be the level of a NON PERFECT JINJURIKI all he wants (many other ninjas are), that doesn't mean he is ON BIJUU LEVEL OR CAN DEFEAT ANY BIJUU. There isn't a single Bijuu he could Defeat by himself.

1. He had a hard time with Roshi a non perfect jin, fact!
2. He had a hard time with a Playing around Killer bee who had to watch and look after a Giant racoon and his Master. Then on top of that He never went Bijuu mode to insta Win, fact!

If either one of them would had went Full Bijuu mode, that would have been GG. SO no The "Hype" isn't justified on him being any where close to Bijuu level. Bee had handicapps, and Roshi wasn't a perfect jin.

Manga flangrantly and blantantly disagrees with you, so I'm not too sure what you're talking about or why you're denying what the manga states. When it very clearly and specifically says Kisame wields as much power as a Jin and is effectively a Bijuu without a tail...? Yes, it is stated and hinted. Manga fact. Nothing you can argue here. Kisame was put on Bijuu level in his own respective way. And no, a non perfect jin wasn't implied. As always, you're trying so hard to downplay Kisame here that you're contradicting the manga. Kisame can't defeat any Biju? If Roshi went full Bijuu mode it would of been a GG? Despite the fact that Kisame specifically said the

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? Furthermore, with that outlandish statement, you're implying that Kisame is tiers below the likes of Deidara who solo'd the 3 tails, and Kakuzu/Hidan who took down the 2 tails Jin who went full Bijuu mode. Again, you're not making sense. Kisame is easily on Bijuu/perfect Jin level (Baring the 9 tails, which Kisame admitted himself) as the manga makes clear.

1. Naturally, yes. Most people would have some trouble with even a non-perfect Jin that fully transformed. Kisame still came back with the elegance though. Zero battle wounds, or damage to his Akatsuki robe.
2. Other way around though. It was a completely serious Killer Bee who had an incredibly hard time taking down Kisame, who was smiling, smurking, joking, and laughing off hits the entire fight. Should be evident given the fact Killer Bee lost and Kisame literally stating that the Hachibi wasn't tough after all. Manga Fact! I'm sure Kisame wouldn't have been disappointed if Bee got to go full Biju mode though.

And with Manda; No, He would Crush Kisame with

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or

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! The sheer force and Size of Manda will kill 99.9% of Naruto Vs with out any armors or Defenses (i.e. Susanoo, rotation, Rashomon, raiton mode, kurama mode etc etc). Kisame had a Hole blown through his chest with a Human sized blow (which was stupid powerful, not taking anything away from bee at all). But with something that

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.. He will die!

If Manda decides to swallow... lol... The muscles of the mouth

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or digestive process alone in the Giant Python would Crush Kisame almost instantly, or/plus The Enzymes and acids will melt him in the process! He wont have time to do much of anything really. Then we have the Notion that every one can do WHAT DISTANT RELATIVES OF THE SAGE OF THE SIX PATHS CLAN (kin gin bros) can do? Really bro? First off, if kisame eats the snakes inside, he dies from the bacteria. Second off, eating Muscles does equal eating chakra, Kurama is literally Chakra and was created from chakra, Manda is a Beast born and created like regular beings on Earth. With the acids and bacteria, he wont even get a chance to last long if he tries what the Kinginbros did. haha

SO in short:

1. Kisame stands no chance against Manda.
2. Kisame stands no chance against Multiple Giant snakes plus Manda and Oru.
3. Kisame has Zero Counters to White snake poison, and Hydra who would take each limb and literally rip him apart with zero resistance!

Assuming Manda successfully does that against Kisame who can use water clones and hide underground... Alive Madara was taking numerous direct hits from Biju's [

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] and lived. Getting hit by Manda isn't killing someone as durable and pain resistant as Kisame, who can also heal himself. And I really hope you don't think Madara would of done much better then Kisame if he got hit by V2 skeletal Bee's lariat considering Gaaras enhanced sand shot right through him, as well as casually getting pierced by Hashiramas sword as any other regular human would of. Manda would also have 1,000 feeding sharks, real shark summons, and GSB's to deal with as well.

It would not... Kisame's so small in comparison to Manda, he wouldn't even feel Manda clamping his mouth shut because it wouldn't be pressing on him. Similar to how nothing happened to Naruto when he got swallowed by the giant snake or the 4 tails. Same applies to the digestive process... which takes a fairly long time for snakes. I wasn't exactly implying that Kisame would feast on it's insides, I meant absorb it's chakra via the way he naturally does with Samehada or when he fuses. Just like Gamabunta, the rest of the toads, and Katsuyu, Manda should have chakra as well. Also, as you didn't address, Kisame can immediately spew out an entire lake inside of Manda.

Not to mention, summons have a timing. But I do see now that Manda will be extremely troublesome... definitely overlooked it.

When will Kisame be coming in contact with white snake poison? And Kisame easily avoids that slow Hydra transformation in the WD or going underground and depletes it's chakra.

 

[Draegod]

Where do you conclude that Manda is smarter then Bijuu that have been around for like literal centuries?

Manda is one of the Few Beast that has even Oru in check in terms of respect and overall wisdom (in the sense he isn't a clueless summon). The other Bijuu have Zero Brain Feats to suggest they are "Smart" or "smart in combat" when against Deidara the 3 tails could have simply nuked them if he had the brains. etc etc

Bunta was very quickly and easily overwhelmed by Ichibi, who didn't even use his sand manipulation or fuinjutsu, so that isn't helping your case. The difference in overall power and strength between that fight is enough for me to conclude boss summons aren't on a Biju's level. Food Cart Destroyer uses the sheer mass and weight of a giant toad being dropped from considerably high in the sky... The gravitional force from that is what momentarily restrained the Kyubi. That's not a feat to suggest boss summons are on par with Biju's. Yes, Manda will be able to avoid TBB's from taking refuge underground (Just like Kisame *Cough*), but what I was implying is the overall destructive power Bijuu's possess.

Bunta was indeed overpowered, but held his own non the less. Bunta would have never been caught by any of the Sand attacks in that particular battle, but a TBB ofc would have did the job. Bunta crushing Kurama was brought up not because of Food cart destroyer, but because of him still holding the Kyuibi down and the Kyubi not being able to do shit about it. Getting hit with a Hammer from above is one thing, not being able to get the hammer from on top means you don't have more power/force to deny the hammers Pressure/weigh from keeping you in check is another. I never once said he had destructive power like Bijuu (obv he has no chakra base attacks, just pure Might!)

You already admitted Manda is weaker then the 7-9 tails. He has nothing on the 6 tails, because coming in any contact with it means coming in contact with

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which even Bee couldn't bare as it was burning through his skin. Not to mention, it's huge AoE slime to slow Manda down and corrosive gas that would make it impossible for Manda to get to Saiken without taking extensive damage, as it disintegrates whatever it touches. Same principle with the 5 tails

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which could melt away ice created by Kaguya, and the 4 tails

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, as well as it's physical attributes. The 3 tails surprisingly has good

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and can create tough durable

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on contact, which restricts movement and gradually grows along the targets body. Two tails is just pathetic, but Manda has absolutely nothing on the 1 tails whose sand body isn't effected by physical attacks. All Manda can do is attempt to restrain them, and unfortunately for him, just coming in contact with the most of them works against him.

6 Tails is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Too slow for Manda! No diff avoids every single thing in its aresenal! It's Skin is not corrosive, as seen when the Kyubi not only had it's fist in it's mouth, but when he slammed the slug to another Bijuu the other Bijuu was not harmed as well. You are thinking of the Ninjutsu the 6 tails V2 JINJURIKI USED I believe. The 5 Tails uses The Steam style to create Power and Momentum for its hits and speed. Again, Manda is too fast for him and would No diff bind and Swallow him eventually. And lol.. Melting Ice... Really? Not to mention that was Naruto with the god amp of Rikudo chakra that put everything in an entire different league. lol STick to what the Bijuu actually showed and Not God characters please! 4 Tails would eventually get constricted and swallowed, everything is avoided no diff and he is too slow. 3 tails is no different. 2 fodder. 1 is bothersome because of the sand body, so it wins just because you can't swallow sand by default.lol

Manga flangrantly and blantantly disagrees with you, so I'm not too sure what you're talking about or why you're denying what the manga states. When it very clearly and specifically says Kisame wields as much power as a Jin and is effectively a Bijuu without a tail...? Yes, it is stated and hinted. Manga fact. Nothing you can argue here. Kisame was put on Bijuu level in his own respective way. And no, a non perfect jin wasn't implied. As always, you're trying so hard to downplay Kisame here that you're contradicting the manga. Kisame can't defeat any Biju? If Roshi went full Bijuu mode it would of been a GG? Despite the fact that Kisame specifically said the

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? Furthermore, with that outlandish statement, you're implying that Kisame is tiers below the likes of Deidara who solo'd the 3 tails, and Kakuzu/Hidan who took down the 2 tails Jin who went full Bijuu mode. Again, you're not making sense. Kisame is easily on Bijuu/perfect Jin level (Baring the 9 tails, which Kisame admitted himself) as the manga makes clear.

1. Naturally, yes. Most people would have some trouble with even a non-perfect Jin that fully transformed. Kisame still came back with the elegance though. Zero battle wounds, or damage to his Akatsuki robe.
2. Other way around though. It was a completely serious Killer Bee who had an incredibly hard time taking down Kisame, who was smiling, smurking, joking, and laughing off hits the entire fight. Should be evident given the fact Killer Bee lost and Kisame literally stating that the Hachibi wasn't tough after all. Manga Fact! I'm sure Kisame wouldn't have been disappointed if Bee got to go full Biju mode though.

:Just as much power as a Jin, NOT PERFECT JIN! Two different leagues, manga fact! Uness you are syaing all jins are equal to Naruto and Bee????????? Next! "Bijuu with No tail" doesn't mean "he can beat and is equal to all 9 Bijuu", where do you see that at? Again, A shit load of chakras have Bijuu level chakra and allot more deadly strikes the Kisame, doesnt mean they can fight on par and defeat a Bijuu. 3rd Raikage was the only ninja excluding Madara and Hashirama that could fight equally with any Bijuu with no spl weapons or seals or trying to control them. And if you say Kisame is Bijuu level then Aye, Tsunade, KinGin, Tobirama etc etc are all Bijuu level as well i guess.

And Kisame calling Roshi "4 tails" is no different then Oru, Kisame and others calling Naruto "9 tails". No one calls them there names and it is easier to say what they know them by. Unless you seen the fight, you have no idea if he went Full Bijuu mode let alone had the power to control it unless you have scans..

Deidara didn't solo the 3 tails, it was Tobi and Deidara who defeated the 3 tails, and That was because they both had the means to do so (deidara had the most fire power in all of akatsuki, and bombs in water are more deadlier). Plus it was off screen so we didnt see it all. And even then he didnt even brag about it since he knew the 3 tails didnt even know how to control it's power. Hidan and kakuzu also off screen defeated a Small mini transformation of the 2 tails. just like the other Bijuu were all caght off screen, we don't know how any of the battles went besides Gaaras and Bees.

And Did you just seriously say Kisame is on Perfect jin Naruto and Bee's level...........

1. He said it wasn't easy, nothing to discuss. Who said he fought with his robe on? Who said he even have wounds when he heals after every battle? Did you see the fight? Why would he be tired when he recovers stamina as well? You are not making any sense unless you seen the fight that was never shown. Again he said it wasn't easy, nothing to talk about.
2. Bee was serious????? So bee when v2 from the get go? Bee went Bojii mode asap? Bee used TBB? Or WW? Or ink clones? Bee went all out huh? I guess he didnt have to worry about 2 other beings the entire time huh? Are you serious bruh? lol Please tell me you're joking!

Assuming Manda successfully does that against Kisame who can use water clones and hide underground... Alive Madara was taking numerous direct hits from Biju's [

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] and lived. Getting hit by Manda isn't killing someone as durable and pain resistant as Kisame, who can also heal himself. And I really hope you don't think Madara would of done much better then Kisame if he got hit by V2 skeletal Bee's lariat considering Gaaras enhanced sand shot right through him, as well as casually getting pierced by Hashiramas sword as any other regular human would of. Manda would also have 1,000 feeding sharks, real shark summons, and GSB's to deal with as well.

Oru can also hide under ground with Kusanagi, whats your point? Then you... YOU HAVE THE balls TO COMPARE....
SAGE MODE HASIRAMA DNA FUSED MADARA to Kisame??????????????? I Literally cannot believe you just went there! NO one compares to Hashiramas Auto heal (manga and databook fact), then Sage mode increases everything beyond normal Humans! Then you think Kisame compares and can take the same hits like madara????

Kisame is not Durable, he just can take pain well. Big difference! Just because you can take pain doesn't mean nothing can kill you.lol The mass of the Giant snakes will indeed kill kisame! Period! Unless you have feats of him doing/tanking anything close to Sage Mode Hashirma fusion Rinnengan Asura+Indra combo Madara.... lol

Gaaras Sand was Small Particals (easier to breach skin) and was power by one of the most power Wind Blast ever shown! That isn't the same nor compares to a giant blunt hit. Do Thumb Tacks Compare to a Truck??? Which one would kill you or is designed to kill you??? Then You compare Base Human EMS Madara getting stabbed to Sage mode Hasirama DNA Rinnegan (auto heal) Asura+Indra Combo Madara... You're Reaching bruh!

1. Kisame would also Have a Shit load of Giant Snakes who in one Swoop could Swallow the Majority of the Sharks no diff! And 10000 Small snakes with Kusanagi Swords Stabbing the sharks. The Sharks are literally a Non factor in this Fight!
2. GSB is nothing But Blunt Force upon Contact. That is nothing To Manga, and is easily no diff avoided if he chooses.

It would not... Kisame's so small in comparison to Manda, he wouldn't even feel Manda clamping his mouth shut because it wouldn't be pressing on him. Similar to how nothing happened to Naruto when he got swallowed by the giant snake or the 4 tails. Same applies to the digestive process... which takes a fairly long time for snakes. I wasn't exactly implying that Kisame would feast on it's insides, I meant absorb it's chakra via the way he naturally does with Samehada or when he fuses. Just like Gamabunta, the rest of the toads, and Katsuyu, Manda should have chakra as well. Also, as you didn't address, Kisame can immediately spew out an entire lake inside of Manda.

Not to mention, summons have a timing. But I do see now that Manda will be extremely troublesome... definitely overlooked it.

When will Kisame be coming in contact with white snake poison? And Kisame easily avoids that slow Hydra transformation in the WD or going underground and depletes it's chakra.

You have No Idea how the Snake Muscles work do you? He would he Sliced by the Fangs and poisoned then crushed by the Pressure of his Jaw! His Jaw Had More Power then What Bunta could Produce! Keep in mind Bunta had the power to Slice Through The 1 Tails and Solo Pains Summons. Yet was no match For Manda's Jaw! As for the Digestive prosess.. The Acid and Poison/Bacteria from Manda (Python/Anaconda) will kill Kisame ASAP (assuming he isn't already dead from the poison and being crushed by the mouth first).

Summons do have a time limit, but Oru would just Resummon more Giant snakes or Manda.


1. White Snake poison will come into when ever Oru Chooses. In the WD it will mix with the water, instant GG, or on the land it's instant GG.
2. Hydra with 8 Heads will easily Over whelm Kisame, and with the other added Plethora of Giant Snakes he will fall eventually!.
3. Oru can aslo Go underground, so Please stop using that as a tactic as if The snakes plus oru cannot go underground as well.

Oru literally counters Kisames entire Arsenal. Manda is simply Too much, you add other Giants and Hydra plus True form, its over kill.