Orochimaru vs Kakuzu and Hidan.

[Beans2]

no, pre-zetsu oro is top 10 w/o using ET

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[EliteKakashi]

As a bonus question, would Hidan's ritual even do anything to Orochimaru? Because he's Orochimaru and a former Akatsuki member(though, was it established if Hidan joined before or after Oro left? I forget), he's likely going to have information on the ritual, but regardless, could he not use Oral Rebirth to make it completely ineffective, or would it still hurt his "new" body?

 

[Zexion~]

Rince and repeat at that point. There are still spores inside of his body, and he can keep adding more, assuming the spores are spread through oxygen(my assumption.)

Ahh well thats good, Kakuzu doesn't utilize oxygen in any shape way or form my man, Its complicated but when explained it makes sense Lol I could explain it to you if you'd like but its not that serious of a matter, as the Kages when infected never showed signs of still retaining the spores inside of them so I don't think that truly happens. He can keep adding more if he likes but that leaves him susceptible to Kakuzu's other masks slamming him with jutsu. ( He can't use spores underground as there is no air to travel on) so Kakuzu will be able to tell where he is, don't forget even if not in fatal range he'd be affected by the Fuuton

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and its not entirely out of the question that he WOULD be out of range. If Oro's going to win this I don't think spores are the greatest answer I mean his feats don't put him at the biggest chakra beast out there

Wait you were a judge for me and FT's debate that time ever so long ago, I posted the reasons there but I doubt you'd remember =D

As a bonus question, would Hidan's ritual even do anything to Orochimaru? Because he's Orochimaru and a former Akatsuki member(though, was it established if Hidan joined before or after Oro left? I forget), he's likely going to have information on the ritual, but regardless, could he not use Oral Rebirth to make it completely ineffective, or would it still hurt his "new" body?

Its the same base body isn't it? I doubt he changes his DNA/Blood Gene's Lol (I don't really know what the coding for the blood is) so it probably would, in a zetsu body its useless though

 

[Omar19992010]

The Immortal Duo win Mid-Difficulty

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Orochimaru mid diffs Kakuzu while Hidan runs around in circles chasing his own ass

 

[New Dawn]

Orochimaru mid diffs Kakuzu while Hidan runs around in circles chasing his own ass

nah. Didn't you know? Hidan has JSM. Orochimaru gets negged low diff.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

I'm not even sure how Oro could POSSIBLY kill Hidan. He tanks everything neg diff and would still be able to fight if a snake bit his upper body off.

Adding Kakuzu is just OVERKILL lolololololol.

 

[Owarij]

The kages never showed signs of retaining the spores because zetsu ended up preoccupied and didn't continue the jutsu.

.. If we exclude the spores affect Kakuzu argument, then indeed, this fight gets a bit more complicated. Hidan is still a non entity. The spores still imobilize him and give oro the additional chakra to flood the battle field with snakes (As seen in forest of death etc.) and Manda

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We've seen how big they are, and manda is bigger. If nothing, the snakes exist to keep the hearts busy. Though as manda has shown they are big and quick enough to pose a threat to the hearts at any time

Kakuzu can't save hidan, not with his masks or his own body, as it leaves himself or the assisting mask open to attacks from oro/kusanagi sword extension or any active snake on the battlefield.

Kakuzu himself can't activate his diamond skin (to protect his entire body ) and move, so he'll be forced to go into defensive and save himself. Hidan gets his head cut off easily.

This battle ends up as Oro vs a kakuzu on a snake flooded battlefield with limited movements

 

[Icelerate]

Does Zetsu Oro even have any blood? I don't think so in which case Hidan is a nonfactor and Zetsu Oro beats Kakuzu with mid difficulty.

Scenario one goes to the immortal duo. With Kakuzu's help, Hidan will get Oro's blood and constantly spam the ritual, depleting Oro's chakra and forcing him to regenerate every single time. Immortals win mid difficulty.

 

[Owarij]

Ahh, there's a scenario 1 without a zetsu body.

Kakuzu and hidan take this mid difficulty

Does Zetsu Oro even have any blood? I don't think so in which case Hidan is a nonfactor and Zetsu Oro beats Kakuzu with mid difficulty.

Scenario one goes to the immortal duo. With Kakuzu's help, Hidan will get Oro's blood and constantly spam the ritual, depleting Oro's chakra and forcing him to regenerate every single time. Immortals win mid difficulty.

Doubt it, but I rather play that safe.

 

[Zexion~]

The kages never showed signs of retaining the spores because zetsu ended up preoccupied and didn't continue the jutsu.

As would Zetsu Oro my man.

.. If we exclude the spores affect Kakuzu argument, then indeed, this fight gets a bit more complicated. Hidan is still a non entity. The spores still imobilize him and give oro the additional chakra to flood the battle field with snakes (As seen in forest of death etc.) and Manda

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We've seen how big they are, and manda is bigger. If nothing, the snakes exist to keep the hearts busy. Though as manda has shown they are big and quick enough to pose a threat to the hearts at any time

Wasn't there a summoning squad of sound ninja that actually summoned all the snakes? Not Oro himself? Manda is the only real threat. The rest can be taken out by fuuton which crushes them, seeing as a bit of internal pressure from Naruto's clones caused them to burst Kakuzu's fuuton should do so as well

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As it raises the air pressure to the extreme, although I can't recall if its extreme pressure or the absence of pressure that sort of inflates you like that Lol, either way it should crush them handily. But again pretty sure summoning squad was used for that many snakes...

Kakuzu can't save hidan, not with his masks or his own body, as it leaves himself or the assisting mask open to attacks from oro/kusanagi sword extension or any active snake on the battlefield.

Hidan can handle himself against most of Oro's attacks bar anything with Kusunagi tbh >.> People underrate his ability to evade and block Lol. But don't forget Kakuzu himself can save Hidan if need be or merely send one heart while another stays with Oro.

Kakuzu himself can't activate his diamond skin (to protect his entire body ) and move, so he'll be forced to go into defensive and save himself. Hidan gets his head cut off easily.

He can use Domu on one body part allowing him to still become mobile if need be, its questionable if Kusunagi would be able to SLICE domu as it couldn't put a dent in Enma. No Hidan does not get his head cut of easily :/ Oro's CQC skills were being overwhelmed by a old Hiruzen, and Hidan can evade the long rage Kusunagi that Oro uses as well with ease ( at least when it comes to slicing off limbs) If it pierces Hidan it really doesn't matter.

This battle ends up as Oro vs a kakuzu on a snake flooded battlefield with limited movements

Snake flooded? Nah Kakuzu has multiple ways to get rid of any snakes on the battle field:

- Fuuton

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which not only crushes but gusts as well, while also leaving a crater in its wake.

-Katon

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Which has a decent AoE (Don't know why the manga decided to zoom back 50 meters) and can roast the snakes belly up

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-Katon-Fuuton Combo

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( Never got to reach full AoE either) Also need I remind you how large those tree's it was taller than was

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The snake field battleground becomes baron after a couple of Kakuzu's large scale attacks

 

[Lariatoo]

Zetsu Oro could easily win this depending on how he plays it. With manga intel, he knows they are both immortal and exactly and at least how hidan's immortality works.
I won't make any more bold claims even though Orochimaru has been spying on the entire akatsuki for a decent amount of time.

Because Orochimaru is now in a zetsu's body, he has control over white zetsu's basic moukouton abilities. The two that can win him this fight are the mayfly technique allowing him to dissapear and reappear from the earth as he pleases, as well as the spore technique, which allows him to infect Kakuzu and Hidan without even having to come close/engage in physical contact. Once he does that he can drain out kakuzu's chakra while playing it safe and evading combat all together

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OMFG I'm so hyped right now!!!

 

[Owarij]

Oro summoned all the snakes during the forest of death

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Cba to verify who did during the village's attack, nor does it really matter.

As for the wind attack, Oro can either cancel it out with his own wind jutsu which levelled a large part of the forest

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Or summon some rashamon gates.

for every Mask that attacks, it leaves itself open to a suprise attack from a hidden snake that can sense the hearts from underground via

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Or a mayfly'd orochimaru/clone and Kusanagi. Which is extremely fast, as you already know.

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The snakes can burrough underground almost immediately, making them capable of easily dodging those wind up jutsu

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[Zexion~]

Oro summoned all the snakes during the forest of death

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Cba to verify who did during the village's attack, nor does it really matter.

Cba? Yeah but he summoned one at a time.

As for the wind attack, Oro can either cancel it out with his own wind jutsu which levelled a large part of the forest

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Ah but you see Kakuzu's fuuton is special check the databook caption in the bottom left, Oro doesn't have pre-cog like Kakashi did so he'll have no idea what jutsu it is before its released and it is an immediate jutsu that forms that shape right away. So a linear fuuton can't cancel it out if Oro's trapped in the middle. Besides Kakuzu's a master of the fuuton element (again the DB states) so it would most likely overpower it, not to mention it caused much more damage than oro's did not even able to push over a few kids.

Or summon some rashamon gates.

Again immediate jutsu that forms a semi sphere, not seeing how he could get those up in time.

for every Mask that attacks, it leaves itself open to a suprise attack from a mayfly'd orochimaru/clone and Kusanagi. Which is extremely fast, as you know.

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I wouldn't say extremely fast as it took a bit for Oro to reach Naruto. But don't forget the masks can get off the ground quickly

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and remain airborne for a decent period of time (Wind mask can fly, others can at least glide

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Look in middle scan as well) now Oro can only move in one direction if he pops through from the ground like that with an extended Kusunagi whereas the masks can turn and curve (again note middle scan above). There is also the fact that unless oro strikes exactly on the mask he won't be causing any harm to the heart nor its body so the slightest movement would alter that.

The snakes can burrough underground almost immediately, making them capable of easily dodging those wind up jutsu

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Wind up jutsu? Again look at the DB page my man they are expelled behind masks so unless you have

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you can't really read and react against them until the jutsu are already cast, and again Fuuton gouges the earth so those huge snakes would still be struck.

 

[Owarij]

Cba? Yeah but he summoned one at a time.

Can't be assed, I never said he needs to summon them all at the same time


The wind mask will definitely be a problem for the smaller snakes , but not creatures as large as manda. With oro's regenerative properties (Assuming he somehow gets hit) the jutsu won't change much. Esp since hidan and kakashi were at its execution center, and kakashi escaped with some torn up clothing.

With oro seeing that jutsu once, its suprise factor diminishes severely, as you'd only have to keep track of the movements of the wind heart. There is an sfx of blowing before the jutsu is actually executed, so it's not completely instantaneous .

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If push comes to shove, doesn't this fight just end in some sort of draw, where oro enters hydra mode and heals/recovers from any injury

 

[MickNerks]

Orochimaru wins with mid diff.

His blood paralyzes them both and orochimaru absorbs them afterward.

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[New Dawn]

Orochimaru wins with mid diff.

His blood paralyzes them both and orochimaru absorbs them afterward.

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Hidan is immune to poison, paralysis, etc. His body does not function like a human being. This has been touched upon.

1) He got his head chopped off and still was able to talk.
2) did back flips with punctured lungs and broken ribs.
3) able to talk with a stake in his chest.

^ You can't do those things when you get fatal injuries. This means Hidan's nerves, muscles, etc. don't function the way a human body does.

 

[Zexion~]

Can't be assed, I never said he needs to summon them all at the same time

It would take quite a bit of time for him not to my man

The wind mask will definitely be a problem for the smaller snakes , but not creatures as large as manda. With oro's regenerative properties (Assuming he somehow gets hit) the jutsu won't change much. Esp since hidan and kakashi were at its execution center, and kakashi escaped with some torn up clothing.

No they were not? They were directly in front of the mask making it even easier for them to merely hop behind the blast, when used against an opponent at a greater distance its much harder to avoid. I have a pre school diagram Lol

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Green is Kakashi, its most efficient when opponent is in the center range of the jutsu.

With oro seeing that jutsu once, its suprise factor diminishes severely, as you'd only have to keep track of the movements of the wind heart. There is an sfx of blowing before the jutsu is actually executed, so it's not completely instantaneous .

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Pretty sure that's just for the wind heart blowing out the wind which then is turned into the sphere, it may not be instant but its still quite fast. Even with Oro seeing it already he still has no idea how to sense when the attack is being launched as its main surprise factor is that it is used behind a mask

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If push comes to shove, doesn't this fight just end in some sort of draw, where oro enters hydra mode and heals/recovers from any injury

Why wouldn't his Combination attack which engulfs the hydra kill it?

 

[HiddenSound]

Is Hidan even a threat here?

 

[Mugen Onsa]

Orochimaru wins both scenarios with medium difficulty. I wonder how they're gonna be able to get his blood.