[VS] Orochimaru vs Kakashi and Gai

[blazekev90]

When you can prove Orochimaru can split his chakra with clones and pull off his strongest jutsu, then we can talk about multiple Eight Branches. Kamui rapes a singular one, or it just warps the head where Orochimaru's body is.

Wtf!? Lol

There's nothing stopping from performing this ability. Orochimaru has already performed shadow clones, in case you didn't know that. 8 branch technique is a simple transformation, it doesn't consume chakra lol


It's funny these same fools mention other characters using clones and performing techniques, we haven't seen them do, yet have difficult accepting this! Haha

 

[blazekev90]

This fanfic Orochimaru you people are creating giving him Zetsu abilities needs to stop. Until proven otherwise, Orochimaru can't perform them and it's not because he has a Zetsu body that we should give him their abilities

To use techniques, it comes down to skills. Some of them requires years of training time to create/perform them(if you could even perform them to begin with). Even Uchiha geniuses like Sasuke(surpassing Orochimaru's own to his own admission [

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Spiral Zetsu was surprised that Obito who possess half a Zetsu body had the skills to perform the Mokuton sashiki so fast without training [

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], telling him he now knows why Madara choosed him(because of his quick learning potential).

At least half Obito's body is made of Zetsu(cells he controls perfectly unlike others like Danzo on his own admission), he has full knowledge on them for obvious reasons even more so than Orochimaru, yet he never showed the capability to use their ninjutsu like mayfly, sensing, telepathy, spore clones and so on. There is nothing that suggest Orochimaru's capability to use them even with his knowledge.

Like i've mentioned above, to create/perform a technique, it requires some times years of training(if you even can), giving the example of a genius above Orochimaru(Sasuke) who was uncapable to use a C-Rank Katon technique despite having being taught the seals of the jutsu a while ago already. If Orochimaru could use the mayfly technique for example, he would have used it to reach Sasuke(when he was dying) faster since the jutsu allows the user to cover large distances at high speed.

Orochimaru was worried about going as fast as possible to reach Sasuke especially after hearing about the mysterious guy, with Jugo suspecting he wants to take his body, yet he didn't think about using the mayfly technique when it's much faster, for the simple reason for me that he can't perform the technique

Talking about sensing, Orochimaru already showed he lacked the ability, relying on Karin instead, when we know that Zetsus are powerful sensors.

So again, nothing and i say nothing shows or even implies Orochimaru could use Zetsu techniques, whether he has a Zetsu body or not

I didn't read this entire essay, but you made the assumption that Orochimaru relied on Karin to sense as proof he lacks the ability. That's not necessarily true. First, this is the manga therefore characters are IC. IC Karin is the sensor in every situation, unless she isn't available. Hence Juugo having to use his "sensing" abilities is those scenarios. Secondly, Orochimaru asked Karin could she determine whom the enemy was because Kabuto couldn't be sensed. Orochimaru explains this to her as they arrived. So, in initially asking her this, it very well could have been him getting her point of view on situation, as he himself couldn't make out who the enemy was.

Also, it was implied that only Orochimaru sensed a familiar presence within. The spiral Zetsu.

Edit:

Further reading, you went in to express how Obito using HALF Zetsu body was impressive. This was a child, whom wasn't considerably gifted, using a jutsu instantly. On the other hand, we have Orochimaru, a known genius having an ENTIRE Zetsu body under his possession.

Comparing Danzo using Hashi DNA to maintain control over this sharingan is completely inaccurate in comparison to Orochimaru. As we've seen, Danzo couldn't even have control over Hashi DNA, Orochimaru has the ability to not only maintain it but use it for his own power. In using Edo, he's using Hashi DNA to enhance its strength, something Tobiumara commented on.

Orochimaru doesn't have knowledge?! Are you forgetting he obtained ALL intel from Kabuto!!! The man whom created a poison, captured Yamato kneeing it'll enhance his power, knew of his abilities and studied its origin! Lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Wtf!? Lol

There's nothing stopping from performing this ability. Orochimaru has already performed shadow clones, in case you didn't know that. 8 branch technique is a simple transformation, it doesn't consume chakra lol


It's funny these same fools mention other characters using clones and performing techniques, we haven't seen them do, yet have difficult accepting this! Haha

A simple transformation wouldn't be classified as Orochimaru strongest tech and labeled as S rank performance. I don't think KG is arguing that 8 branch shadow clones is possible. But considering Nattana is suggesting 8 clones using this technique is a too much to say, which he is questioning

@You addressing T Bogard, didn't think anyone would had time to address how much flaw his post was lol

 

[blazekev90]

A simple transformation wouldn't be classified as Orochimaru strongest tech and labeled as S rank performance. I don't think KG is arguing that 8 branch shadow clones is possible. But considering Nattana is suggesting 8 clones using this technique is a too much to say, which he is questioning

@You addressing T Bogard, didn't think anyone would had time to address how much flaw his post was lol

Oh ok. Well if it's a matter of how many clones are being used that's something different. The term fanfiction was being used, as if he couldn't use such a feat at all. In addressing that, we've seen characters create multiple clones before, whether it was Kakashi, Minato, Kisame etc. therefore, Orochimaru using at least 3-4 clones with this ability isn't too far fetched, since Orochimaru used the technique weakened state to begin with. In my opinion two are more than enough for any match, but three isn't ridiculous.

It's said be his strongest for these particular reasons; it's size, it's regeneration ability and overall strength. It possibly has more feats, but we haven't seen those.

Lol @ Bogard comment

 

[Nattana]

A simple transformation wouldn't be classified as Orochimaru strongest tech and labeled as S rank performance. I don't think KG is arguing that 8 branch shadow clones is possible. But considering Nattana is suggesting 8 clones using this technique is a too much to say, which he is questioning

@You addressing T Bogard, didn't think anyone would had time to address how much flaw his post was lol

You are aware of the fact that the rank of a jutsu tells us about how hard it is to learn it - not about how much chakra it uses, right?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Oh ok. Well if it's a matter of how many clones are being used that's something different. The term fanfiction was being used, as if he couldn't use such a feat at all. In addressing that, we've seen characters create multiple clones before, whether it was Kakashi, Minato, Kisame etc. therefore, Orochimaru using at least 3-4 clones with this ability isn't too far fetched, since Orochimaru used the technique weakened state to begin with. In my opinion two are more than enough for any match, but three isn't ridiculous.

It's said be his strongest for these particular reasons; it's size, it's regeneration ability and overall strength. It possibly has more feats, but we haven't seen those.

Lol @ Bogard comment

I can agree that he can do at least 2. 1 being the original caster and the other 1 being a clone. Its almost the same case with Naruto as only 1 can go full BM

You are aware of the fact that the rank of a jutsu tells us about how hard it is to learn it - not about how much chakra it uses, right?

Exactly my point. For him to use his strongest and most difficult technique, splitting portion of 8 clones? Come on now.

 

[Nattana]

Exactly my point. For him to use his strongest and most difficult technique, splitting portion of 8 clones? Come on now.

Wait, what 8 clones?

Also, what techniques being difficult to use have to do with clones? Orochimaru knows it so clones know it as well.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Wait, what 8 clones?

I made an assumption with this:

What is their counter to multiple 8branches

Thinking you are saying more then 2

Also, what techniques being difficult to use have to do with clones? Orochimaru knows it so clones know it as well.

I don't understand your question, if its difficult and at his highest rank, why can all the clones be able to do it?

 

[Nattana]

I made an assumption with this:
Thinking you are saying more then 2

Lel ok, but not 8. I think Orochimaru and his clones should be able to pull 2-3 8branches without much effort.

I don't understand your question, if its difficult and at his highest rank, why can all the clones be able to do it?

It was difficult to learn. After you have learnt it you can just use it. Naruto's clones can use Rasenshuriken which is S-rank as well. Hell, his clones could even use Bijuu-powered Sage Rasenshuriken. I see no reason Orochimaru's clones couldn't use 8branches.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lel ok, but not 8. I think Orochimaru and his clones should be able to pull 2-3 8branches without much effort.



It was difficult to learn. After you have learnt it you can just use it. Naruto's clones can use Rasenshuriken which is S-rank as well. Hell, his clones could even use Bijuu-powered Sage Rasenshuriken. I see no reason Orochimaru's clones couldn't use 8branches.

Then we can agree. 3 is pushing it in my opinion but still agree overall

 

[KidGamer65]

Wtf!? Lol

There's nothing stopping from performing this ability. Orochimaru has already performed shadow clones, in case you didn't know that. 8 branch technique is a simple transformation, it doesn't consume chakra lol

Gonna need proof of the bold. When you can prove its the same as the usual transformation jutsu that other Ninja use, when it clearly isn't, then we can talk.

The most he'll pull off is two, three is just pushing it.

 

[Bogard]

@Blaze you're just completely missing the point, so i'll just reply to the main part

Further reading, you went in to express how Obito using HALF Zetsu body was impressive. This was a child, whom wasn't considerably gifted, using a jutsu instantly. On the other hand, we have Orochimaru, a known genius having an ENTIRE Zetsu body under his possession.

Entire body or not doesn't matter. He has the body allowing him mokuton techniques(mokuton sashiki is proof of this).

Like i've said, Sasuke was portrayed as a greater genius than Orochimaru, yet he couldn't perform a C-Rank katon technique despite having being taught the seals a while ago already and Uchihas base affinity is katon. So because Orochimaru possess Zetsu cells doesn't prove he can perform them.

The fact Obito could perform the mokuton sashiki so fast shows his genius(greater than Orochimaru) especially when you know mokuton is a kekkei genkei combination of earth and water. It's just that he was a late-bloomer, yet he never showed mayfly, sensing or whatever other jutsus you're building up for Orochimaru

Orochimaru doesn't have knowledge?! Are you forgetting he obtained ALL intel from Kabuto!!! The man whom created a poison, captured Yamato kneeing it'll enhance his power, knew of his abilities and studied its origin! Lol

I didn't say Orochimaru lacks knowledge. I said he doesn't have nearly as much knowledge on Zetsu as Obito, yet Obito never displayed those abilities. In short, knowledge =/= skill in using abilities and until proven otherwise, Orochimaru can't perform Zetsu techniques with a Zetsu body or not

@Ejblack sounds like someone with no counter-arguments but trying to remain in his fanfiction no matter what

 

[Nattana]

I didn't say Orochimaru lacks knowledge. I said he doesn't have nearly as much knowledge on Zetsu as Obito, yet Obito never displayed those abilities. In short, knowledge =/= skill in using abilities and until proven otherwise, Orochimaru can't perform Zetsu techniques with a Zetsu body or not

@Ejblack sounds like someone with no counter-arguments but trying to remain in his fanfiction no matter what

Your previous post and this one most likely contain the biggest amount of bullshit NB has ever witnessed.

 

[Bogard]

Your previous post and this one most likely contain the biggest amount of bullshit NB has ever witnessed.

I take it as a compliment coming from a Orochimaru fanboy such as yourself

 

[Nattana]

I take it as a compliment coming from a Orochimaru fanboy such as yourself

Anyone with brain could tell that your post was full of bullshit. You're contradicting manga facts - this is when you should know you have to stop.

 

[ATD]

Anyone with brain could tell that your post was full of bullshit. You're contradicting manga facts - this is when you should know you have to stop.

The only feat orochimaru has shown with his new zetsu body is that he was able to use Edo tensei on kabutos level.
His new zetsu body hasnt shown any other advantages til now, so it doesnt matter to talk about that, ET is restricted.

 

[sirius49]

Team Kakashi low dif.

 

[blazekev90]

@Blaze you're just completely missing the point, so i'll just reply to the main part
Entire body or not doesn't matter. He has the body allowing him mokuton techniques(mokuton sashiki is proof of this).

Like i've said, Sasuke was portrayed as a greater genius than Orochimaru, yet he couldn't perform a C-Rank katon technique despite having being taught the seals a while ago already and Uchihas base affinity is katon. So because Orochimaru possess Zetsu cells doesn't prove he can perform them.

The fact Obito could perform the mokuton sashiki so fast shows his genius(greater than Orochimaru) especially when you know mokuton is a kekkei genkei combination of earth and water. It's just that he was a late-bloomer, yet he never showed mayfly, sensing or whatever other jutsus you're building up for Orochimaru

I didn't say Orochimaru lacks knowledge. I said he doesn't have nearly as much knowledge on Zetsu as Obito, yet Obito never displayed those abilities. In short, knowledge =/= skill in using abilities and until proven otherwise, Orochimaru can't perform Zetsu techniques with a Zetsu body or not

@Ejblack sounds like someone with no counter-arguments but trying to remain in his fanfiction no matter what

Again, this argument is based off nothing Bogard. Considering something Sasuke had difficult perfecting as a child is completely irrelevant. Everyone has their own special talents and referring to a scan where Sasuke feats fodder without killing and Orochi calling him a genius in that respect is circumstantial. Sasuke also stated their are certain things that only Orochimaru can do. This meaning each has their strengths/expertise in skillfully mastering different jutsu.

While mokuton itself is an advanced KKG, we've seen it act instinctively. Obito's initial use was instinctive. Danzo, after he lost control Mokuton acted instinctively.

Mokuton becomes synced with the user, it's only a matter of whether that user can control it property AKA maintain Hashi's DNA. This is something Orochi has already proven.

What knowledge could Obito have that Orochimaru hadn't became appear of? Orochimaru has knowledge of not only Mokuton, but Hashi himself. The reason he utilized his DNA and implanted it successfully within to users (Yamato and Danzo).

You fail to understand that over a course of time, ones ability to master an ability becomes effortless compared to when they are child.

You're questioning a user who created his own dimension, causally found counter for DRS leaving Minato stunned, perfected a jutsu another hadn't, etc.

 

[TheEvilOne]

As long as Orochimaru has no feats in using mokuton this is completely irrelevant Nattana and blaze. Just deal with it.

 

[blazekev90]

As long as Orochimaru has no feats in using mokuton this is completely irrelevant Nattana and blaze. Just deal with it.

That was never my argument to begin with. The abilities I use of Zetsu are his sensing abilities and his ability to merge with the environment. Something Orochimaru could already do.

This was generally discussioning Orochimaru using Zetsu feats.