Orochimaru vs Jiraiya

[kakuzu49]

orochimaru win only if he can use edo , if not jiraiya win.

 

[blazekev90]

ppl keep saying Jman would win because SM, but that takes long as hell to prep, Oro wouldnt even let him prep for that. The arguments made by most are arent vaild at all.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Jiraiya had no info on any of the bodies he found it all out by himself. He also succeed in killing one of the paths. Kakashi only fought 2 and almost died. And the reason Naruto did as well as he did was because he had all the information on Pain that had been gathered up to that point.
:izuna:

I meant that Jiraiya GAVE info. I should have rephrased that.

I know he had no info.

And we know that Kakashi gave info too, seeing as it was mostly his fight that gave info on Asura and Deva.

Well, Deva, because Asura got taken out by Naruto instantly.

 

[DevonV]

I meant that Jiraiya GAVE info. I should have rephrased that.

I know he had no info.

And we know that Kakashi gave info too, seeing as it was mostly his fight that gave info on Asura and Deva.

Well, Deva, because Asura got taken out by Naruto instantly.

All right that makes sense.
:izuna:

 

[EliteKakashi]

ppl keep saying Jman would win because SM, but that takes long as hell to prep, Oro wouldnt even let him prep for that. The arguments made by most are arent vaild at all.

Yeah like I stated earlier if Oro used slithering snake it would be extremely hard for J-Man to get away and stall long enough. He would have to find some way to hide to be able to pull it off. Avoiding isn't going to work for a very long time against Oro.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Yeah because Edo is so easy to learn anyone can do it.

Actually pretty much anyone can learn it. It isn't complicated at all. It is just that it is a forbidden jutsu and the good guys won't use it because they let the dead stay that way instead of bringing them back.

It doesn't even require all that much chakra, unless you are summoning an army like Kabuto did. And even then I don't think it takes any chakra once they are already summoned. So all you have to do is summon one once and keep control of him, so it isn't a drain on chakra.

EDIT: The name is IWR, or Edo Tensei, not just Edo.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Actually pretty much anyone can learn it. It isn't complicated at all. It is just that it is a forbidden jutsu and the good guys won't use it because they let the dead stay that way instead of bringing them back.

It doesn't even require all that much chakra, unless you are summoning an army like Kabuto did. And even then I don't think it takes any chakra once they are already summoned. So all you have to do is summon one once and keep control of him, so it isn't a drain on chakra.

I was always kind of confused about this. It was said that the edo tensei's were under Orochimaru's control(I'm talking vs Hiruzen), but it never really said if it was or was not draining chakra from him. I mean the chakra has to be coming from someone..do the edo tensei's have the same amount of chakra they did when living? Does Oro give them a certain amount when he summons them? Does he just use his chakra when they use their techniques? Or what?

I don't recall if that was ever specified, but it's been forever since I've read those chapters/about that fight.

 

[shogun973]

Orchimaru

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

I was always kind of confused about this. It was said that the edo tensei's were under Orochimaru's control(I'm talking vs Hiruzen), but it never really said if it was or was not draining chakra from him. I mean the chakra has to be coming from someone..do the edo tensei's have the same amount of chakra they did when living? Does Oro give them a certain amount when he summons them? Does he just use his chakra when they use their techniques? Or what?

I don't recall if that was ever specified, but it's been forever since I've read those chapters/about that fight.

It is their soul and a facsimile of their body, so it is their chakra.

Kabuto isn't supplying all those edos with chakra!!

All he has to do is use the chakra to summon their souls. Once that happens he doesn't need to do anything else other than if he wants to he can control their actions.

 

[EliteKakashi]

It is their soul and a facsimile of their body, so it is their chakra.

Kabuto isn't supplying all those edos with chakra!!

All he has to do is use the chakra to summon their souls. Once that happens he doesn't need to do anything else other than if he wants to he can control their actions.

Well I know Kabuto isn't supplying chakra to them all, but Kabuto has perfected it to a higher level than Oro.

Just because he doesn't have to doesn't mean Oro didn't have to.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Well I know Kabuto isn't supplying chakra to them all, but Kabuto has perfected it to a higher level than Oro.

Just because he doesn't have to doesn't mean Oro didn't have to.

Well actually he didn't change the jutsu at all.

The only difference between Kabuto and Oro's IWR is that Kabuto changed the talisman seal so that he doesn't need to control them all the time. He just makes sure they do certain things like do certain goals or protect themselves and whatnot.

That is the only difference. Because Kabuto does this his IWR ninjas are more powerful because they get to make their own decisions about how to fight and how to best use their own abilities.

 

[Gutsy]

Jiraiya wins, here is how i see it, we have all explained what they can do and if not all had read, then they know. But i will sum up some of the things they can do:

Jiraiya:

Spoiler

Alright we all know he is a master of Fire and Earth Release techniques, such as Fire bullet, and Swamp of the underworld. He can summon variou toads and parts of toads and his trump card is Sage Mode, which enhances every ability he has to it's full potential.

Orochimaru:

Spoiler

We have not seen all he can do, but he has thousands of snake summons, including Manda and many other snakes. Also as far as we know he is capable of using wind release which is weak against fire and strong against lightning. He has two power house jutsu: Hydro mode, enourmous 9 heades serpent (If im correct) and his Edo Tensei, which he is able to summon (2-3 edo's if im correct here too)

Alright now here i will talk about their battles:

Orochimaru:

Spoiler

Orochimaru, has fought many opponents, the first fight we saw with Orochimaru of his story line is Hanzo, which he lost to, we didn't see the whole battle, but we know Hanzo was a legend, and the three of them, Orochimaru, Jiraiya and Tsunade were not in their prime, but they did not stand a chance against him, since their techniques didn't work.

Orochimaru vs Hiruzen: Now this fight Orochimaru put 2 Edo's on the field, Hashirama and Tobirama two great Hokages, Hiruzen fought valantly while Orochimaru also fought with pretty much what he could. Hiruzen ended up dying after sealing away the hokages and Orochimaru's arms. Where Orochimaru clearly stated if he was just a few years younger Orochimaru would have been killed.

Orochimaru vs Itachi (staredown)
Not realy a battle, but it showed that Orochimaru's greatest weakness is Genjutsu in my opinion.

Orochimaru vs Naruto 4 tails. well in this battle it looked to me like Orochimaru was just playing around with Naruto, he easily avoided his attacks and he even counter hit naruto 4 tails. This fight didn't show much either.

Orochimaru vs Tsunade and Jiraiya: This fight both Jiraiya and Orochimaru was handicaped. Jiraiya was still capable of sinking an enourmous snake into his swamp, even though he was drugged by tsunade. Jiraiya countered Orochimaru's snake hands and more, but he was drugged so his defense didn't work proberly.
Orochimaru on the other hand could not use Ninjutsu but was aided by Kabuto and was capable of summoning snakes and fight pretty well... but this fight was more for Naruto mastering the Rasengan and defeating Kabuto.

Orochimaru final battle/staredown again vs Sasuke: Orochimaru was greatly weakened and ill, but he put up a small fight and ended up dying/being under sasukes power. Sasuek defeated Orochimaru after a small fight and Orochimaru trying to take over his body.

Now Jiraiya:

Spoiler

Jiraiya first battle: Invasion fo Konoha we see the Konoha shinobi having great trouble with two giant snakes, yet Jiraiya defeats the snakes easily with a single jutsu.

Jiraiya vs Orochimaru (sannin fight)
As stated before Jiraiya and Orochimaru had a handicap, yet Jiraiya was capable of making an enourmous swamp sinking orochimaru's snakes and capable of defending himself wuite well even though he was drugged.

Jiraiya vs Naruto (4 tails?)
We didn't se what happend but Jiraiya was greatly injured, but i imagine he was not ready for that amount of power, also he did not try to kill naruto so i believe if he knew that amount of power the 4 tails had he would have easily avoided it.

Jiraiya vs Itachi (staredown) Jiraiya using only one jutsu to trap Itachi and Kisame, having trouble defending themselves where jiraiya say no one has ever escaped this jutsu. Now many say Itachi didn't want to hurt Jiraiya since he was a Konoha shinobi, (i partly agree) since there could be many more reasons behind, such as he had already used Tsukuyomi twice and Amaterasu to get out of Jiraiya's technique.

Jiraiya vs Konan, this battle is insignificant, since i believe it is just a bad matchup since Jiraiya's oil can easily counter Konan's moves.

Jiraiya vs Pein: Now this is the greatest battle we have seen from Jiraiya... Also his final battle Jiraiya had no trouble at all getting time to enter SM, by summoning Gamaken and using a barrier defense and Shadow Clones, he was able to avoid and counter (was it 4 summons or 5 idk) he actually only really had trouble with the dog summon with more heads, but in the end it looked like he didn't really have any trouble countering the summons. Now after Jiraiya enters SM, we see many new jutsu such as his Goemon jutsu which would probably have reduced Pein to cinders if his paths didn't have those specific defenses. Also he had a one hit K.O on one pein but it was revived, he only hit it once in the head. Now he fought quite well and used Oodoma rasengan but with no use because of Pein's annoying defense.
Now for Jiraiya's easy way out was Genjutsu with Ma & Pa, he killed 3 peins that way and actually he killed one pein twice. Alright afer the genjutsu was over he let his guard down believing the battle was over. That's the reason he died, though if he had kept up his guard and maybe knew about his secret he could have done so much more, maybe even come up against the strongest pein... (maybe even winning, not sure)

Now i will come to my conclusion:

Orochimaru has thousand of snakes, which jiraiya can counter with his toads and also Swamp of the underworld to sink the snakes and maybe his Hydro mode. Also if Orochimaru summons 2 edo's or whatever, he can avoid them and enter SM, he will be more than capable. Jiraiya in SM will be able to defeat Orochimaru with Goemon, Oodoma Rasengan and many other Sage Art jutsu, also he can use Genjutsu to kill Orochimaru.

in my opinion Jiraiya will always take this, (depending on conditions)

 

[PainIsGod]

jman!

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[MangekyouJ]

jman caught itachi in a genjutsu?


delete your nb account

Sorry I'm late...but THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[MangekyouJ]

J-MAN FANBOY SO YOU KNOW WHERE MY VOTES GOING LOL

itachi caught oro in genjutsu
and j-man caught itachi in a genjutsu
u know what im tryna say

I THINK hahaha

Jariaya caught Itachi in the mouth of a toad summoning

 

[itachi49]

jiraiaya

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Even with edo tensei Jiraiya could probably catch orochimaru with the frog song from Ma and Pa. While they are under genjutsu he can make his move. I don't think orochimaru can tank super giant rasengan. As for the edo tensei I'm sure he has a way of sealing them

 

[Ryuu..]

Even with edo tensei Jiraiya could probably catch orochimaru with the frog song from Ma and Pa. While they are under genjutsu he can make his move. I don't think orochimaru can tank super giant rasengan. As for the edo tensei I'm sure he has a way of sealing them

What sealing techniques does he have tho?

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

What sealing techniques does he have tho?

Hmm none that I know of, but if super giant rasengan works on orochimaru he need not worry about edo tensei. He can run away from them if he has nothing for them. Let Konoha seal them lol

 

[ghost nappa]

Always wanted to see this fight, but they were both crippled last time.