Orochimaru vs Itachi.

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Location: Grass Field.
Distance: 30m.
Intel: Manga.
Intent: To kill, but they both remain calm-minded and focused.

Conditions for Orochimaru:

A) Zetsu body (with access to all White Zetsu techniques, Obito and P1 Edo Hashi Mokuton feats, enchanced chakra reserves).
B) Arms - no RDS curse affecting him.
C) No Edo Tensei.

Conditions for Itachi:
A) This is Itachi that fought Sasuke.
B) No restrictions.

@Scenario 2: The fight takes place in Jiraya vs Pain location. Orochimaru has his ET and Zetsu body restricted. Itachi has his Sharingan restricted.
 

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Since when could 1 Zetsu create an entire forest like Part 1 Hashirama?
 

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Since when could 1 Zetsu create an entire forest like Part 1 Hashirama?

Orochimaru should be able to use Mokuton on even bigger scale, considering that we've seen what Obito with only half-Zetsu body could do. But I didn't want to overdo it, especially that Oro never got enough panel time to show off his new feats.
 

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Orochimaru should be able to use Mokuton on even bigger scale, considering that we've seen what Obito with only half-Zetsu body could do. But I didn't want to overdo it, especially that Oro never got enough panel time to show off his new feats.

White Zestus are fodders. Guruguru was the only white Zestu who was powerful but his feats arent the same as all the WZ clones.

Yamato has shown better Mokuton feats than WZ.
 

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Is this even a fight?
 

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Instead of giving Orochimaru Part 1 Edo Hashirama's feats (which doesn't make sense) you should have just given him his Part 1 Edos.
 

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Save this topic for some people in TAC's Debate.
 

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Itachi still wins. Zetsu canonicaly was caught in genjutsu.
Só Tsukuyomi still oneshots.
 

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No need to bring this fight up again we already know Zetsu oru wins Mid diff at most.
 

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Need i say more?
 

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Need i say more?

Considering that 3 years later in NV time Orochimaru showed that he achieved resistance to Sharingan Genjutsu - yes you do.
 

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Considering that 3 years later in NV time Orochimaru showed that he achieved resistance to Sharingan Genjutsu - yes you do.

Show me this Sharingan resistance of his.
 

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Did you just seriously show me a scan of 1 page before Orochimarus dimension got negged by Sasukes sharingan prowess? Where the hell does he even show resistance in that scan, its quite the opposite.
 

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Did you just seriously show me a scan of 1 page before Orochimarus dimension got negged by Sasukes sharingan prowess?

Orochimaru lost to some weird Sharingan + Senjutsu chakra combo. Sharigan Genjutsu alone had 0 effect. Oro simply walked out of it. He didn't even need to release it.
 

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Orochimaru lost to some weird Sharingan + Senjutsu chakra combo. Sharigan Genjutsu alone had 0 effect. Oro simply walked out of it. He didn't even need to release it.

He might not get negged by 3t Genjutsu this time then, but it doesn't change the fact that Tsukuyomi negs him. And Itachis Genjutsu >>> Sasukes, so him being unaffected by Sasukes genjutsu doesn't mean he won't by Itachis.
 

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He might not get negged by 3t Genjutsu this time then, but it doesn't change the fact that Tsukuyomi negs him. And Itachis Genjutsu >>> Sasukes, so him being unaffected by Sasukes genjutsu doesn't mean he won't by Itachis.

Orochimaru said it was just like the last time. And back then he could hardly move and tried to use Kai:Release. After 3 years he simply walked out of the same Genjutsu.
 

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Orochimaru said it was just like the last time. And back then he could hardly move and tried to use Kai:Release. After 3 years he simply walked out of the same Genjutsu.

Yes, that was when Itachi was 13/14 years old, don't you think he's improved in genjutsu since then?
 

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You Oro fans are persistent, like your fav character ill give you that.
However he bites the dust yet again.

1. Zetsu argument.
As somebody has said already the feats demonstrated by spiral zetsu and the common zetsu who got slaughtered like sheep are two different things. Even if we were to assume that the common zetsu gets the same feats as spiral zetsu obito, his mokuton feats still wouldn't pose a threat to Itachi or any kage tier ninja.

Another thing you forget is that the mokuton strength of spiral zetsu is determined by who it encases. Obito literally had a part of hashirama's dna slapped on him, but also had the uchiha strong chakra. That is why he managed those mokuton feat and that wasn't even impressive.

With yamato his mokuton even increased further.
What i am trying to say is that a zetsu body orochimaru encased by spiral zetsu still wouldn't have the mokuton strength of spiral obito or spiral yamato.

In mokuton it is
Hashirama > Madara > Spiral Yamato > Yamato > Spiral Obito > Obito > Spiral Orochimaru > Fodder zetsu Orochimaru.

His zetsu mokuton would not be greatly increased even by spiral zetsu as it isn't that strong to begin with. Its this very reason why he will not even be able to produce mokuton feats of part 1 edo Hashirama who's mokuton feats are still superior to yamato's. Likewise even if we give him part 1 edo hashirama's mokuton, it still isn't strong enough if you consider that enma was able to protect old hiruzen and but also destroy the trees. Replace enma with susanoo and its all game. Amaterasu will also have a say in this. If old hiruzen can survive edo hashirama mokuton, see no reason itachi cannot.

2. Techniques he already. Mute point. Apart from edo tensei which got taken away, we still don't know what other techniques he had. Regardless when he was defeated by orochimaru and left the organisation due to this defeat at the hands of itachi he had these techniques. On the same note Orochimaru admitted inferiority from that event where he had his full techniques. Lets not forget that his strongest technique which was the hydra has been defeated already so any lesser techniques that he had that was sealed away wouldn't pose as much of a threat as his strongest technique.

Orochimaru regardless of his 'upgrade' if you can call it that, still strongest technique is the hydra

Orochimaru bits the dust for the 3rd time with mid to high diff.

Scenario 2. Stripping Itachi of everything to do with his sharingan and only restricting orochimaru from zetsu or edo tensei is basically non sharingan itachi vs sannin orochmaru. He doesn't have the techniques to put him down in this form so oro takes it mid diff
 
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