I'm making a tier list and just wanted opinions of these two fighters. You linked a scan of Orochimaru being sealed by Totsuka and him being caught in a genjutsu. I asked you to take it seriously because come on, visual genjutsu at 60 meters? That's just silly and shows me you must be joking. Totsuka stabbing him again? Will he stand there and do nothing? Not move an inch? Come on, get real.
totsaka has no speed feats it only sealed somethign the size of a bijuu and a crippled mind controlled nagato
we seen normal genjutsu that itachi did on him does not solo orochimaru prob because he is ranked so high in genjutsu.... look up his stats
tsyukiomi yes this would be downfall for orochimaru i think
but itachi beats oro (meaning the feats we have seen we do not know what else orochimaru has up his sleeve) no less then high diff the first time we seen them fight it wasnt even a fight orochimaru simply wanted itachi body he didnt even put up fight all he did was resisted a genjutsu ppl act as if orochimaru actually got defeated. second time was oro fault for talking to much and not paying attention to itachi and getting sealed. btw itachi knew he couldnt beat orochimaru hydra form so he had no other choice but to seal it
curious does genjutsu work on a zetsu body i was under the impression they dont have a brain or blood? (like they dont need to eat or poop or drink water etc all which helps brain function and get stronger) if this is case i change my vote to orochimaru taking itachi high diff as all his best moves bar tsyukiomi can easily be countered by what orochimaru has shown and with his mayflay tech (even without it he could still merge in ground before) can easily go under the susanno and kansanji his heart..
Jutsu that he could easily predict and avoid.
-Amaterasu is effortlessly countered w/ body shed. Also, with Orochimaru having sensing feats, he'll be able to predict Itachi's preparation for the technique, allowing him time to counter this accordingly.
-Genjtusu is countered by clones. Itachi was fooled by shadow clones before, there's a possibility this could happen again. So, his risking the use of Tsukuyomi, diminishing his chakra, is highly unlikely.
-Totsuka has absolutely no speed feats. It's debatably on whether this would even work against smaller MOBILE opponent.
Zetsu feats make a difference. Firstly Itachi defeated Orochimaru whom had no intention on fighting and/or unaware of his abilities. This obviously giving Itachi the advantage, seeing as he was fully aware of Orochimaru's jutsu and used Orochimaru's arrogance against him.
1)Itachi could've placed anyone in genjutsu at that distance. 2) he attacked Orochimaru in mid dialogue. Again, an act that doesn't determine the difference in power between the two
Orochimaru admitted that is a weakened state. #blop
Oro did admit inferiority to Itachi, but that was before what he is now. With Zetsu powers I can't see Itachi winning. Oro is the land itself, he is everywhere but at the same time, no where. What Itachi's counter to him melding in the earth untraceable and shoots Kusanagi under his Susanoo through his heart? How does Itachi counter the Buddha with the 5 elements constantly shooting blasts at him and punching him? Itachi is stronger than normal body Oro (no ET) but weaker than Zetsu Oro imo.
Jutsu that he could easily predict and avoid.
-Amaterasu is effortlessly countered w/ body shed. Also, with Orochimaru having sensing feats, he'll be able to predict Itachi's preparation for the technique, allowing him time to counter this accordingly.
-Genjtusu is countered by clones. Itachi was fooled by shadow clones before, there's a possibility this could happen again. So, his risking the use of Tsukuyomi, diminishing his chakra, is highly unlikely.
-Totsuka has absolutely no speed feats. It's debatably on whether this would even work against smaller MOBILE opponent.
Zetsu feats make a difference. Firstly Itachi defeated Orochimaru whom had no intention on fighting and/or unaware of his abilities. This obviously giving Itachi the advantage, seeing as he was fully aware of Orochimaru's jutsu and used Orochimaru's arrogance against him.
1)Itachi could've placed anyone in genjutsu at that distance. 2) he attacked Orochimaru in mid dialogue. Again, an act that doesn't determine the difference in power between the two
Orochimaru admitted that is a weakened state. #blop
Having zetsu body or not, it still doesnt make orochimaru immune to genjutsu which was how he lost in canon, on top of the fact that orochimaru had canonically not only lost, but also admitted iinferiority to itachi,
Oh ok then itachi beats him high diff all I know is he is notlow diffing orochimaru the differences in powers levels is extremely little if it exists at all itachi only has genjutsu sharigan over oro that is all ppl act as if itachi is leagues ahead of oro
Having zetsu body or not, it still doesnt make orochimaru immune to genjutsu which was how he lost in canon, on top of the fact that orochimaru had canonically not only lost, but also admitted iinferiority to itachi,
Fail to see how he creates a Shin Sūsenju without Guruguru's aid - even if the Genjutsu is used on a clone, depending on how many Orochimaru makes, Itachi replicates the same amount and uses Genjutsu on all of them.
Fail to see how he creates a Shin Sūsenju without Guruguru's aid - even if the Genjutsu is used on a clone, depending on how many Orochimaru makes, Itachi replicates the same amount and uses Genjutsu on all of them.
He has all white zetsu feats and I included spiral because he is also a white zetsu. Now your not being logical anymore. With Oro's Hashirama chakra boost, lets say he makes 5-10 clones. You really believe Itachi splits his stamina 5-10 times and uses Genjutsu on all of them and can still win?
Also, you seem to think Zetsu clones are similar to shadow clones, which isn't the case. These clones don't simply disperse as shadow clones do, they're basically a separate being. As Sasuke used Genjutsu on one Zetsu clone, none of the others nor those attached to him were affected by it.
Itachi using genjutsu on each would exhaust his chakra. You do know Zetsu easily makes nearly clones w/o hand seals right?
He has all white zetsu feats and I included spiral because he is also a white zetsu. Now your not being logical anymore. With Oro's Hashirama chakra boost, lets say he makes 5-10 clones. You really believe Itachi splits his stamina 5-10 times and uses Genjutsu on all of them and can still win?
Naruto basically handled that fight himself, Kakashi's presence was all that was needed in all actuality.
Hashirama's chakra is a power boost. Hence, those with this DNA can withstand certain abilities, perform specific jutsu, etc. Ex) Danzo w/ sharingan, Obito being alive, Orochimaru's Edo currently being stronger, etc.
I'm making a tier list and just wanted opinions of these two fighters. You linked a scan of Orochimaru being sealed by Totsuka and him being caught in a genjutsu. I asked you to take it seriously because come on, visual genjutsu at 60 meters? That's just silly and shows me you must be joking. Totsuka stabbing him again? Will he stand there and do nothing? Not move an inch? Come on, get real.
Catching 1 shinobi under a genjutsu at 60 meters? No problem.
Ao/Shikaku can confirm this for us
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Both Ao and Shikaku(arguably one of smartest in NV, behind Itachi that is) took in the possibility of Itachi manipulating hundreds of shinobi over a vast distance.
Ao denied Itachi being able to control "that" many, over such a large distance, but surely 1 shinobi over 60 meters(battlefields were km apart, not to mention being outside the range of sensors, which pretty much covered all battlefields) is going to be eazy
Anyway, Itachi takes this low diff, just like he did the last 2 times. Orocihmaru literally has nothing on him, lmao.
Itachi/Uchihas are his perfect counters. Orochimaru is scared of Itachi.
He only tried to rape Sasuke because he was too low for Itachi.
He has all white zetsu feats and I included spiral because he is also a white zetsu. Now your not being logical anymore. With Oro's Hashirama chakra boost, lets say he makes 5-10 clones. You really believe Itachi splits his stamina 5-10 times and uses Genjutsu on all of them and can still win?
Shisui was able to control 2/3 oponents at the same time, and if you look at the scan I posted, 2 experienced intelligent chars took the possibility of Itachi controling so many people outside the range of the sensors, which covered all battlefields.
The only reason Ao denied this is because there were too many people to control(hundreds), but 5-10 over 60 meters isnt going to be a problem, if we interpret Ao/Shikaku's ideas properly.
Itachi solos gg
P.S.: If you are going to say 50 clones, Itachi will make crow clones and 3tomoe sharingan another 10 Orochimaru's for each Itachi clone hahah
