Orochimaru vs Hidan and Kakuzu

[Zexion~]

You dropped this: e.



The needle was stuck into his skin. The blood is in his skin, not his internals.




It is a perfect comparison because we're talking about things being shown in the manga. We don't get to fill in the blanks as we please. Oro having manda 2 isnt canon.

Way to not counter :lol, no it wasn't all we see is Kakashi prepping it, we don't actually see him injeting it anywhere. I don't see why he wouldn't just take it from his hand even since his hand was covered in it.

 

[blazekev90]

You dropped this: e.



The needle was stuck into his skin. The blood is in his skin, not his internals.




It is a perfect comparison because we're talking about things being shown in the manga. We don't get to fill in the blanks as we please. Oro having manda 2 isnt canon.

Lmao we fill in "blanks" with every post! Hell, this thread itself is filling in a blank as we're drawing conclusions about a match that wasn't portrayed in the manga. We fill blanks in predicting how a shinobi would react with no clear reasoning other than our opinion.

So because Minato wasn't shown to summon other boss toads, we dismiss the possibly? No, we assume he can because they're reference to imply it's possible.

The comparison is inaccurate because one must learn different jutsu variations. This isn't the case when one has a blood contract with a summoned animal. He/She automatically has access to them, this isn't the case with jutsu variations.

 

[Curse Mark]

@Zexion: My bad. Could've sworn he got it from the skin. I was wrong.
However if it was the blood from the heart kakashi already stabbed that wouldnt do anything.

Lmao we fill in "blanks" with every post! Hell, this thread itself is filling in a blank as we're drawing conclusions about a match that wasn't portrayed in the manga. We fill blanks in predicting how a shinobi would react with no clear reasoning other than our opinion.

So because Minato wasn't shown to summon other boss toads, we dismiss the possibly? No, we assume he can because they're reference to imply it's possible.

The comparison is inaccurate because one must learn different jutsu variations. This isn't the case when one has a blood contract with a summoned animal. He/She automatically has access to them, this isn't the case with jutsu variations.

Minato was said by Kishi to have a contract with the toads. That's why we say he can. He said it himself. Anyone logical on here debates by using canon things and facts. We dont fill in the blanks with every post. Speak for yourself.
When we talk about how a character would react either the fight isnt in character and we can offer strategies to be countered or it is in character and we use facts about how theyve reacted to things in the past.

 

[blazekev90]

@Zexion: My bad. Could've sworn he got it from the skin. I was wrong.
However if it was the blood from the heart kakashi already stabbed that wouldnt do anything.



Minato was said by Kishi to have a contract with the toads. That's why we say he can. He said it himself. Anyone logical on here debates by using canon things and facts. We dont fill in the blanks with every post. Speak for yourself.
When we talk about how a character would react either the fight isnt in character and we can offer strategies to be countered or it is in character and we use facts about how theyve reacted to things in the past.

No. Kish explained the peaks of having summoning contract, never did he say this directly. The same requirements and peaks that apply to ALL summoning contracts.

These matches are all hypothetical, that in itself is an unknown blank.

Your argument is if we haven't seen in, it isn't canon. When there are things that can indeed be proven as fact, without it being illustrated directly in the manga. That's what I've concluded here. I've provided reasoning straight from the manga that support the possibly of Manda ll being summoned. Can you even determine where Manda ll resides?

 

[Curse Mark]

No. Kish explained the peaks of having summoning contract, never did he say this directly. The same requirements and peaks that apply to ALL summoning contracts.

These matches are all hypothetical, that in itself is an unknown blank.

Your argument is if we haven't seen in, it isn't canon. When there are things that can indeed be proven as fact, without it being illustrated directly in the manga. That's what I've concluded here. I've provided reasoning straight from the manga that support the possibly of Manda ll being summoned. Can you even determine where Manda ll resides?

No, but neither than you. And you can speculate all you want about where he lives but no one here is required to take your BS seriously because it didn't occur in the manga. This is getting tiresome to argue.

What can be proven as fact without it being shown in the manga???????????

 

[Zexion~]

@Zexion: My bad. Could've sworn he got it from the skin. I was wrong.
However if it was the blood from the heart kakashi already stabbed that wouldnt do anything.



Minato was said by Kishi to have a contract with the toads. That's why we say he can. He said it himself. Anyone logical on here debates by using canon things and facts. We dont fill in the blanks with every post. Speak for yourself.
When we talk about how a character would react either the fight isnt in character and we can offer strategies to be countered or it is in character and we use facts about how theyve reacted to things in the past.

Not true, everything within his body is one and the same, hence why it killed his original heart, or at least the one inside of his body. Despite him taking it from the back.

Also notice how he did not bleed after Hidan's ritual

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despite the fact that Asuma did in fact bleed quite heavily

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[Curse Mark]

Not true, everything within his body is one and the same, hence why it killed his original heart, or at least the one inside of his body. Despite him taking it from the back.

Also notice how he did not bleed after Hidan's ritual

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despite the fact that Asuma did in fact bleed quite heavily

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You're saying each of the hearts, despite being from different people, have the same exact DNA?

 

[Zexion~]

You're saying each of the hearts, despite being from different people, have the same exact DNA?

Hidan's ritual never actually states it requires DNA, I thought it did originally but even the DB justs states it needs blood, if he needed DNA anything would work, Hair, Skin cells rubbed off on clothing literally almost anything.

Anyways as I said he never reached Kakuzu's original heart, yet it was the one that died :lol its a kinjutsu described to defy nature because Kishi was not trying to explain all the specific and genetic contradictions with real logic.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hidan's ritual never actually states it requires DNA, I thought it did originally but even the DB justs states it needs blood, if he needed DNA anything would work, Hair, Skin cells rubbed off on clothing literally almost anything.

Anyways as I said he never reached Kakuzu's original heart, yet it was the one that died :lol its a kinjutsu described to defy nature because Kishi was not trying to explain all the specific and genetic contradictions with real logic.

Zex, stop trying to over complicate things just so you believe your interpretation is right. dkdankong was right, Hidan's curse Kakuzu cause he gain Kakuzu's blood.

 

[Zexion~]

Zex, stop trying to over complicate things just so you believe your interpretation is right. dkdankong was right, Hidan's curse Kakuzu cause he gain Kakuzu's blood.

What?

I'm not saying he didn't get Kakuzu's blood :lol learn how to read man.

 

[Curse Mark]

Hidan's ritual never actually states it requires DNA, I thought it did originally but even the DB justs states it needs blood, if he needed DNA anything would work, Hair, Skin cells rubbed off on clothing literally almost anything.

Anyways as I said he never reached Kakuzu's original heart, yet it was the one that died :lol its a kinjutsu described to defy nature because Kishi was not trying to explain all the specific and genetic contradictions with real logic.

I was also the impression of it being any type of DNA.

 

[Zexion~]

I was also the impression of it being any type of DNA.

Nah bro

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[Brother Numpsay]

What?

I'm not saying he didn't get Kakuzu's blood :lol learn how to read man.

Ok, but you were clearly implying 2 things.

1. Kakuzu's hearts he stole = his blood.
2. Hidan's jutsu can gain any blood and still counts to whoever.

Which both manga disagrees with

 

[Zexion~]

Ok, but you were clearly implying 2 things.

1. Kakuzu's hearts he stole = his blood.
2. Hidan's jutsu can gain any blood and still counts to whoever.

Which both manga disagrees with

Smh, the hearts are his, he implements them via the threads and the chakra systems that come along with them, stop thinking of him as just storage for others hearts.


No ones implying that. Once again you can't read.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Smh, the hearts are his, he implements them via the threads and the chakra systems that come along with them, stop thinking of him as just storage for others hearts.


No ones implying that. Once again you can't read.

They are not his heart or blood. Otherwise he wouldnt need to steal them for their affinities birth right. Buts thats clearly wrong.

If you think Hidan can gain blood from the other 4 unoriginal hearts, and effect Kakuzu, then yes you are implying it.

 

[Zexion~]

They are not his heart or blood. Otherwise he wouldnt need to steal them for their affinities birth right. Buts thats clearly wrong.

If you think Hidan can gain blood from the other 4 unoriginal hearts, and effect Kakuzu, then yes you are implying it.

:lol I guess he doesn't feel pain when one of them are struck clean through his chest as well....Oh wait.

He threads the chakra systems into his does he not? They become his hearts obviously if they are giving him life.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

:lol I guess he doesn't feel pain when one of them are struck clean through his chest as well....Oh wait.

The hell you talking about. Obviously he is when these hearts is what keeps him alive.

He threads the chakra systems into his does he not? They become his hearts obviously if they are giving him life.

Never heard of heart transplant surgery? Its no different. They become his hearts to keep him alive and use the original's chakra nature. Doesn't mean its really his.

Hidan's ability makes a contract between the users blood. No one else. Whoever's BLOOD is for, is the one that gets effected. and Kakuzu's has 5 different bloods. Period. 1= his orignal and the other 4 are from different shinobi's.

If you think what I said is false, then you ignoring how Hidan's jutsu works. And the fact that if Hidan stabbed Kakuzu, all of the hearts should have been effected with the exact wounds.

 

[Zexion~]

The hell you talking about. Obviously he is when these hearts is what keeps him alive.



Never heard of heart transplant surgery? Its no different. They become his hearts to keep him alive and use the original's chakra nature. Doesn't mean its really his.

Hidan's ability makes a contract between the users blood. No one else. Whoever's BLOOD is for, is the one that gets effected. and Kakuzu's has 5 different bloods. Period. 1= his orignal and the other 4 are from different shinobi's.

If you think what I said is false, then you ignoring how Hidan's jutsu works. And the fact that if Hidan stabbed Kakuzu, all of the hearts should have been effected with the exact wounds.

Smh wrong once again as you're ignorance shines through, its location based....All his hearts aren't in that one place now are they :lol

Just stop man you're making no sense and I don't know what you're even arguing at this point

-Kakashi had no access to his original heart/blood
-Plenty of examples show Kakuzu lacks a blood stream.
-Hidan's jutsu is clearly out of your knowledge spectrum, if he stabbed ONE eye only ONE eye would be afflicted wouldn't it? ONE Lung? ONE leg?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Smh wrong once again as you're ignorance shines through, its location based....All his hearts aren't in that one place now are they :lol

Never said it was.

Just stop man you're making no sense and I don't know what you're even arguing at this point

No Im not going to stop until you get it.

1. Hidan ritual works only on the targets blood.
2. Kakuzu has 5 blood types, including his own. We know this because he steals hearts from OTHER Shinobis.
3. Hidan ritual works only works on Kakuzu's 1/5 hearts. (go back to point 1.)

-Kakashi had no access to his original heart/blood
-Plenty of examples show Kakuzu lacks a blood stream.
-Hidan's jutsu is clearly out of your knowledge spectrum, if he stabbed ONE eye only ONE eye would be afflicted wouldn't it? ONE Lung? ONE leg?

- Yes he does, we know this by canon on how he gain it.

- Having blood on his skin doesn't have to = bloodflow. We know Kakuzu lives by Jingou function. Doesn't mean his skin (body parts) contain zero blood on them. Otherwise Shiskimaru's plan wouldnt have worked.

-Exactly how its suppose to be. And YET, base on your interpretation would mean we have to conclude all of Kakuzu's heart gets the same exact damage since all of them is from his "blood".

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

No Im not going to stop until you get it.

Ohh boy, this thread'll last for days.