Orochimaru vs Hebi Sasuke

[Tobiramas]

Orochimaru mid difficulty

~ Slightering Snake Mode/Oral rebirth prevents him from any fatal injuries

~ Ranged raiton attacks get countered with his wind release: Great Breakthrough(he can also block with rashomon gates if really needed)

~ Kirin gets countered by attack prevention/hiding like a mole technique

~ His kusanagi is superior to Sasuke's both in strength, range, size and characteristics

~ He is a sufficient genjutsu master and knowledgeable enough to not fall for genjutsus and Kanashibari no genjutsu won't work on him like in canon

~ Manda is stronger than Aoda, probably more mobile and skilful as well

~ Eight Branches can be used as last ressort to finish him with his great physical power

 

[take it easy]

Orochimaru with mid diff if he able to use his Yamato no jutsu.

 

[HiddenSound]

This is all i need to hear. Also why do people keep posting that scan it didnt imply he broke genjutsu periode also you cannot just develop resistance to genjutsu Deidara tried and failed same goes for oro.



Underground attacks are useless sharingan see's them via chakra you should know this by now. Orochimaru is not surviving getting shredded by ration varients or even a simple genjutsu would K.O him




No they wont katon turns them to snake crust Manda has shown he can be burnt same goes for much smaller snakes they're numbers mean nothing. Hydra is wrecked by chidori spear no question about it furthermore its to slow to do anything to sasuke lets say it does eat him he simple cuts its throat open and jumps snakes summonings are a non factor.



being sick does not means your chakra is low know the difference Sasuke had his curse mark witch drains him insanely fast since he never ever used curse mark for no larger than one attack and outlasting is not happening here anyways.

You're not very good at this, are you? That was one of the stupidest things I've read on this site.

 

[Haizaki]

Actually him not showing it means he can't do it. Never said he can't hold Chidori but its clear that his strike speed isn't the same when waving that around.

No because he never had multiple targets to use it on...Actually, him holding it that long means he can easily use it to keep slicing.

I said pressure not damage. Wind style takes care of your notion that Sasuke keeps his distance with Chidori, was my point. Katon isn't doing crap much like how it did crap to Manda 1. Well if a Katon+Oil base force Manda 1 to shed/escape then a normal Katon isnt going to any effective to a superior Manda.

Irrelevant since Sasuke casually takes it and keeps going on like he did against Itachi

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. Let's think of the fact that none of Orochimaru's distance Jutsu can seriously pressure Sasuke.

- The context was talking about taking advantage of Sasuke's condition.

Pretty sure you're jumping into something else.

- Your not making any sense. Your basically stating he using regenerative power but cant regenerate. Manga does show that Oro can regenerate you post it: [

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]. And as Orochi said non of Sasuke arsenal/jutsu is working against him like in canon.

You're the one not making sense..He uses Regenerative power of the white Snake as a vehicle to transform into the Snakes..Like I said, that's not equal to the snakes being able to regenerate their heads when it never happened in canon despite their heads being cut off.

Manga shows Orochimaru can regenerate but never does it show the Snakes have the ability to do so.

- Actually they didnt have time to regenerate as much time when Oro 1st form, against Sasuke, had.

Grasping at straws here?

- They didn't have time? Itachi cut the heads and the time was more than enough for the previous heads to regenerate. You're just denying this thing.

Everything supports that White Snake = White Snake powers

Irrelevant.

My interpretation sounds more actuate here. Oro poison took since chapter 344 to evaporate. Much more panels then Itachi's fight.

I thought you'd actually sit down to analyze this, you speak about panels ignoring the mental flashbacks which don't take time.

When Orochimaru first attacked

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, after the flashbacks, Orochimaru was then showed killed

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What Panels do you want to speak of? Nothing to talk about as it doesn't take as much time when you think of Itachi's case.

Can you prove that there was still blood leftover? If it wasnt shown then it proves my point.

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Where would that blood spillover to EJ? or at the bottom of the scan where you can see the head with blood behind Itachi which weren't sealed

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Lets do it. Where has Sasuke ever blitz with ninjutsu in his hand, bar normal Chidori? And the fact that Sasuke openly admitted he wasn't strong enough to take out Orochimaru. So why do you think blitzing would work when Sasuke think it wouldn't lead to his victory?

Sasuke isn't blitzing Oro but in his Hydra form, Oro is a bigger target leaving him vulnerable.

And are we even factoring Zetsus body? Because then this match up would be massive rampage.

I see Sasuke loosing to this version of Orochimaru.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No because he never had multiple targets to use it on...Actually, him holding it that long means he can easily use it to keep slicing.

Pretty obv he can keep slicing with it but as I agree over and over: But We are not going to ignore his strike speed with it. He has shown his strike speed when tearing through C2 dragon and Bee's testicle. Nothing he shown that he is taking these heads one by one with ease without being strike.

Irrelevant since Sasuke casually takes it and keeps going on like he did against Itachi

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. Let's think of the fact that none of Orochimaru's distance Jutsu can seriously pressure Sasuke.

Irrelevant since vise versa.

Pretty sure you're jumping into something else.

Thought you were going somewhere stating something of "using his last of his strength".

You're the one not making sense..He uses Regenerative power of the white Snake as a vehicle to transform into the Snakes..Like I said, that's not equal to the snakes being able to regenerate their heads when it never happened in canon despite their heads being cut off.

Manga shows Orochimaru can regenerate but never does it show the Snakes have the ability to do so.

Ok right, got it. A thing used to express, embody, or fulfill something =/= being able to.

And yes they have since I showed scans of them doing so and explained that these snake is Orochi himself.

Grasping at straws here?

- They didn't have time? Itachi cut the heads and the time was more than enough for the previous heads to regenerate. You're just denying this thing.

No im not. Its pretty clear White Snakes doesnt have the fastest regeneration ability. Oro and Sasuke proved this.

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant only to ignore White Snake Power.

I thought you'd actually sit down to analyze this, you speak about panels ignoring the mental flashbacks which don't take time.

When Orochimaru first attacked

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, after the flashbacks, Orochimaru was then showed killed

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What Panels do you want to speak of? Nothing to talk about as it doesn't take as much time when you think of Itachi's case.

I analyzed it perfectly. Sasuke clearly shown standing around as the match was over for him already. No way Oro flashback lasted a sec only to later just be lying on the floor as Sasuke just stares at it.

This process is much slower then Susanoo slicing heads and sealing Oro.

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Where would that blood spillover to EJ? or at the bottom of the scan where you can see the head with blood behind Itachi which weren't sealed

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Scans you are showing me aren't before Oro being seal. This scan is clear that even blood dripping heads went "

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Sasuke isn't blitzing Oro but in his Hydra form, Oro is a bigger target leaving him vulnerable.
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Irrelevant since Sasuke cant kill him with his insignificant jutsus

 

[Haizaki]

Pretty obv he can keep slicing with it but as I agree over and over: But We are not going to ignore his strike speed with it. He has shown his strike speed when tearing through C2 dragon and Bee's testicle. Nothing he shown that he is taking these heads one by one with ease without being strike.

So we're here still arguing how Sasuke somehow can't slice Hydra's head with Sharp Spear? Or rather his strike speed or whatever having to do with this? When this Snakes don't even having Reaction feats? When they're more of a target for it?

If you're referring to one by one, then he reacts to their attacks and cuts them.

Irrelevant since vise versa.

So it becomes irrelevant when your point doesn't even hold.

Thought you were going somewhere stating something of "using his last of his strength".

Don't care, he's not using another one when it outright says it's his most powerful Jutsu..Not to mention he hasn't shown he's capable of such when you think of the fact that it does refer to his strength(the last of it) and says the Snakes surpasses Orochimaru himself. Fanfiction if you're referring to him using another Jutsu while using this.

Ok right, got it. A thing used to express, embody, or fulfill something =/= being able to.

And yes they have since I showed scans of them doing so and explained that these snake is Orochi himself.

Yes because I'm sticking with the Manga...Manga never shows them regenerating even when there's need for them to do so as Orochimaru became more cautious with the last head and came out to use Kusanagi. Common sense supports the fact he should have regenerated the heads to aid his battle with Itachi since he transforms into 8 in the first place but somehow, it didn't happen despite there being time for the first head and the others to regenerate. No evidence of such so what you're saying is wrong about them being able to regenerate their heads. Nothing to argue here once again.

No im not. Its pretty clear White Snakes doesnt have the fastest regeneration ability. Oro and Sasuke proved this.

Sasuke still wasn't healed due to the outcome of his battles...Rather we saw Orochimaru's head being cut by Sasuke but still regernated with very little time.

Regardless, you're only making assumptions.

I analyzed it perfectly. Sasuke clearly shown standing around as the match was over for him already. No way Oro flashback lasted a sec only to later just be lying on the floor as Sasuke just stares at it.

Lol once again, the length wasn't close to the period of Itachi slicing those head...I already showed how Orochimaru from what we saw wasn't killed before we started seeing flashbacks...That was when he was rushing to Sasuke and then we start seeing them in the next panels

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so you're not making any sense. Not to mention Manga does support this as Sasuke's starts returning back to normal state from his CM2

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Unless you're implying he waited for such a long time to look sat Oro's face which is another assumption again.

This process is much slower then Susanoo slicing heads and sealing Oro.

Lol....strong denial is all I can say. You're somehow telling me the time the snake released Oro wasn;t counting as well?

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That took quite a while when you look at the others waiting and saying its him in the bottom panel when he showed up

You're also telling me the time for the sword to come out as well as him laughing didn't count?

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You're also telling me the time he spoke didn't count too? As well as Zetsu's mental reaction

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?

Scans you are showing me aren't before Oro being seal. This scan is clear that even blood dripping heads went "poof"

Nice point right there...Though I'll say I'm not to sure about the blood disappearing as in that panel where the poof was made, you see something blood like if you look closely as it disappears.

Irrelevant since Sasuke cant kill him with his insignificant jutsus

Lol Hydra goes down. That's all I'm about...Icelerate gave some nice point in regards to Chakra which convinced me a bit. Still, I see Sasuke winning based on feats

 

[Icelerate]

Underground attacks are useless sharingan see's them via chakra you should know this by now. Orochimaru is not surviving getting shredded by ration varients or even a simple genjutsu would K.O him

I know the sharingan can see chakra underground but not when Oro is behind Sasuke or Oro blinds Sasuke's sharingan with wind release great breakthrough considering it obviously has chakra in it. Coupled with multiple snake summons and kage bunshin feints, I see Oro managing to get the better of Sasuke who ended up stepping on Deidara's mines (

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) despite him being able to see underground chakra due to being distracted by an aerial Deidara using

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. Not to mention Itachi was surprised (

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from an underground feint from Kakashi due to being blinded by katon.

Orochimaru can certainly survive bisection by

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comes in handy to restore all his body parts back to normal. You make it seem like killing Oro with slicing attacks is so easy that even Temari could beat Oro. You really should stop overrating Sasuke's raiton techs as Orochimaru is a

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who can constantly nullify Sasuke's raiton attacks or even enhance his kusanagi blade with fuuton chakra to counteract Sasuke's raiton blade.

No Orochimaru fell for genjutsu against Itachi the first time they fought. The second time they fought, Oro was never owned by Itachi in genjutsu. Let alone Sasuke who is inferior when it comes to genjutsu compared to Itachi. Not to mention Oro can have a kage bunshin to counter genjutsu, so if the real one gets trapped, the kage bunshin breaks him out or if the kage bunshin gets destroyed, the chakra returns back to the real Oro, thus his chakra being disrupted. He can avoid it altogether through his thermal snake sensing capability to avoid having to make direct eye contact. Even if Oro falls for genjutsu, Sasuke still has to finish Oro off, but due to his regeneration, Oro will feel pain and break out of genjutsu through the pain method.

As for Sasuke beating eight headed serpent. Due to lack of feats, I guess I can't prove its fighting prowess but by common sense it is Oro's strongest jutsu so I doubt Sasuke will casually take it out with chidori sharp spear. I won't use speculation but the eight headed serpeant will cause all of Sasuke's attention to be focussed on it which allows a kage bunshin Oro to blindside Sasuke

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No they wont katon turns them to snake crust Manda has shown he can be burnt same goes for much smaller snakes they're numbers mean nothing. Hydra is wrecked by chidori spear no question about it furthermore its to slow to do anything to sasuke lets say it does eat him he simple cuts its throat open and jumps snakes summonings are a non factor.

Manda got hit by a katon much larger than itself, the formation of one thousand snakes has a

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that dwarf four tailed Naruto who is larger than human size and Sasuke's only shown human sized katon so he isn't countering one thousand snakes with a mere katon.

being sick does not means your chakra is low know the difference Sasuke had his curse mark witch drains him insanely fast since he never ever used curse mark for no larger than one attack and outlasting is not happening here anyways.

Sickness decreases stamina which decreases chakra. If you are sick, you're not going to be able to exert yourself as you normally would hence you have less energy. Chakra is a form of energy in this manga.

Good points tbh..The hundred snakes can be countered via fire style as well as streaming Chidori through the ground.

Chidori through the ground and fire style aren't covering the entire group of snakes as they dwarf KN4 Naruto whereas those attacks of Sasuke are only capable of covering an area equal to what KN4 covers.

Anyway Orochimaru's speed is being underrated. Sure he isn't as fast as Hebi Sasuke but he is close to Sasuke's level of speed considering both of them got a 4.5 in the databook but

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increases Oro's speed and the fact that Oro managed to dodge four tailed Naruto's chakra arms (

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) whereas against a much weaker Naruto, a much weaker Sasuke

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. In all these cases, Oro was clearly weakened due to his his sickness and having parts of his chakra sealed away so he is capable of even better.

All in all I see healthy Oro winning mid difficulty, sick Oro winning high difficulty and Zetsu Oro winning low difficulty.

 

[Haizaki]

Chidori through the ground and fire style aren't covering the entire group of snakes as they dwarf KN4 Naruto whereas those attacks of Sasuke are only capable of covering an area equal to what KN4 covers.

Makes sense though Sasuke can take flight in his CM2 State and just attack them from above with Katon. He could hold it long enough

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so he just needs to turn his head to cover the range of the snakes.

Anyway Orochimaru's speed is being underrated. Sure he isn't as fast as Hebi Sasuke but he is close to Sasuke's level of speed considering both of them got a 4.5 in the databook but

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increases Oro's speed and the fact that Oro managed to dodge four tailed Naruto's chakra arms (

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)(

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) whereas against a much weaker Naruto, a much weaker Sasuke

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. In all these cases, Oro was clearly weakened due to his his sickness and having parts of his chakra sealed away so he is capable of even better.

The bold is an unfair comparison but I do believe Oro is much faster than I actually thought.

- The chakra hands had to break through the ground before it could get to Orochimaru as you can see Orochimaru long moved before the Chakra hands actually came out....Not to mention the fact that Oro did see Naruto putting his hands underground.

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- Look at those scans and compare the distance between Naruto-Sasuke

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and Naruto-Orochimaru

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- Sasuke as matter of fact could react but had to do so to both Naruto's attack and the Chakra which is basically reacting to both...That was the main issue as he couldn't predict the arm..this

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and this proves my point

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- Now let's bring in a fair comparison which is Oro failing to react in a Close combat scenario

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I do agree Oro was weak but this reasons you used are definitely unfair.

All in all I see healthy Oro winning mid difficulty, sick Oro winning high difficulty and Zetsu Oro winning low difficulty.

I don't see sick Oro even winning at all...Manga confirmed Sick Itachi needed Susanoo to best Sasuke as his other techniques were countered. Portrayal doesn't even put sick Oro above Sasuke at all.

 

[Nattana]

The bold is an unfair comparison but I do believe Oro is much faster than I actually thought.

- The chakra hands had to break through the ground before it could get to Orochimaru as you can see Orochimaru long moved before the Chakra hands actually came out....Not to mention the fact that Oro did see Naruto putting his hands underground.

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- Look at those scans and compare the distance between Naruto-Sasuke

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and Naruto-Orochimaru

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- Sasuke as matter of fact could react but had to do so to both Naruto's attack and the Chakra which is basically reacting to both...That was the main issue as he couldn't predict the arm..this

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and this proves my point

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- Now let's bring in a fair comparison which is Oro failing to react in a Close combat scenario

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Orochimaru dodged Kyuubiruto's surprise Chakra Arm mid air(!).

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[Haizaki]

Orochimaru dodged Kyuubiruto's surprise Chakra Arm mid air(!).

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Like I said,

- Sasuke had 2 attacks to react to in a Close Combat fight...1- Naruto's actual attack

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( Which he reacted to), 2 - The chakra extension that came out of Naruto's arm while punching

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- Now you see there 2 attacks came out so Sasuke was in a scenario where dodging an attack would out him in a position where he gets hit by another. Basically saying he was attacked by 2 arms( Naruto's arm and the Chakra's arm) Which is why Sasuke says "I anticipated Naruto's, while the Chakra moved differently by itself"

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- That scan you showed isn't a Close combat situation like this that even comes from Sasuke's blind spot

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while Oro could see it clearly coming as shown..You even showed us the screenshot.

- Why do we compare a young Sasuke to Hebi?

 

[King Of Pop]

All in all I see healthy Oro winning mid difficulty, sick Oro winning high difficulty and Zetsu Oro winning low difficulty.

bold. thats a bit of a stretch. sick oro was getting outclassed by sasuke back then and later in hes cs2 state. hebi sasuke is much stronger then that sasuke as he has access to some of oros jutsu along hes own jutsus including hes cs2 form. sasuke got a lot stronger after that confrontation with orochimaru. sick oro is not beating a superior form of the sasuke that bested him.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

No clue whatsoever as to why some users said that Sasuke wins this. Orochimaru with his part 1 body, all of his techniques and applicable feats should win med diff.

 

[super yang]

Oro wins by feats

and I can't get over the suggestion that hydra mode is supposed to be threatened by chidori blades when the inferior manda was still in one piece after C0.

hydra tanks it. chidori =/= Totsuka no ken

gyuukis tentacle transformation is not comparable either. for one Oro is not a bijuu or ''living chakra entity'', he is the ''true white snake'' and he has scales.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Oro takes this

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Sasuke beating oro was just huge PIS

 

[Praydara]

Sasuke said he would have died if Orochimaru hadn't been sick. I'm inclined to believe it.

 

[Nattana]

Orochimaru on his deathbed lost to Sasuke only because he tried to take over his body instead killing him. The moment Sasuke got paralysed with White Snake's poison, Orochimaru could've easily bitten his head off.

Zetsu Orochimaru wrecks Hebi Sasuke.