Orochimaru underrated

[Joker]

Because those are hardly achievements. Eluding the Akatsuki, but were they chasing him? As far as I'm concerned, Sasori was the only member of the Akatsuki who wanted to recapture Orochimaru. The rest?..

I'll give you the ET and reaper.

My bad, I meant failed in destroying the leaf. Yes, he infiltrated Konoha, but for what? To destroy it. He didn't.

I honestly feel like we're going to keep going back and form without someone conceding, so i'm going to just say this; Orochimaru failed, at many things, but he's still shown to achieve some of his goals. It's like the classic saying, "You win some, you lose some" I can't say he'll pass at everything because he won't, but you can't say he lost at everything because he didn't. At the end of the day, he got what needed to be done, maybe not everything, but the things that mattered most at that time.
P.S, he's not alive because of Sasuke, he's walking around because of Sasuke, he was living in a cursed seal.

 

[Drax]

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[binderr]

Monitor his progress, and achieve what? Sasuke is now leaps and bounds beyond him in strength, so taking his body isn't part of the equation. What does he hope to achieve by this? Sasuke's giving out the orders now, lets be honest.


Yes, Sasuke revived him for help. But who's following who around? Who's giving the orders? Orochimaru is a failure. Even a fan would admit that.

- Tried destroying the leaf. Failed out of his own arrogance.
- Tried taking 11 year old Itachi's body -- failed.
- Tried taking Sasuke's body, and failed. He trained him to the point he surpassed Orochimaru's sick self. Seriously?
- Tried making a comeback, it was all part of Itachi's plan, and he sealed him again.

What exactly did Orochimaru succeed in, exactly?

Mentioning Sasori, when he's not the topic of discussion? Signs of frustration, tbh. Relax there buddy.

You should try to understand something. Sasuke is not, even close, to beyond Orochimaru. Are you nuts? Oro is far stronger than Sasuke still. Sasuke himself straight out says that he could only defeat Oro because of the state he was in. Suigetsu knows that Oro is still boss, which he says all the time. So dont delude yourself into thinking that Sasuke is the boss of these two

 

[kunde]

At the end of the day,he still Sasuke pet

He's the one who gave sasuke CM Lol . .

OT: i dont think he's underrated. .it's just that people dont speak often about him thats why he's out from everyone's thoughts. .IMO he's easily one of top 10.

 

[chaos control]

He is a great scientist, but he is not top tier because he has failed way too much with his plans. Just look at Madara. He succeeded at awakening the rinnegan and finding a successor to inherit his plan. He succeeded at being revived. He succeeded at capturing the bijuus and becoming the juubi jinchuuriki. He single handedly defeated Naruto, Sasuke, Hashirama, Tobirama, Bee, the 9 bijuus, the 5 kages, Minato, the 2nd tuschikage, etc...
Do you see all of Madara's success? Now compare this to Orochimaru. Thus far, Orochimaru has:

Failed to get an Uchiha body.
Failed to get the totsuka sword.
Failed to be able to properly use sage mode.
Failed to completely destroy Konoha.
Failed to get a version of immortality like Hidan's or Sasori's that doesn't require him to constantly switch bodies.
Failed to beat Sasuke or Itachi.
He doesn't have every jutsu in the world like he wants to have.
He failed to significantly hinder akautski.

Orochimaru has all this hype and he supposedly has all of these forbidden jutsus, yet he couldn't beat Itachi and he couldn't avoid being crippled against Hiruzen. I'll give Orochimaru a better rating when he shows me some success as a villain like Madara, Obito and even Nagato and Danzo.

Heck, even Kabuto did better with edo tensei and as a villain in general than Orochimaru has. Don't worry though. There is still some time for Orochimaru to redeem himself.

 

[blazekev90]

At the end of the day,he still Sasuke pet

Bro you don't want it...!

 

[Excite]

Nah, i'm pretty sure they're apart of his power..

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OT: I think he's underrated, what Naruto X Man needs to understand is he's a bad match-up for Minato. You can be stronger than a majority, but if you have a bad match, then you're pretty much screwed.

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1. Name what jutsus that have been restricted from him that's using in this current war arc. He's still using his handsignless techniques, indicating that other than edo tensei, they're inferior to his snake jutsus.

2. True, but, it's rather lame that he'd be considered high up from freeloading on the power of previous ninjas. I'm talking about whether he's overrated without edos.


3. That did not effect his fighting ability at the time. This scan indicates it just cuts the match short and doesn't start immediately. In no where he states that it weakened his fighting potential when fighting Naruto.

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1. Giant Snake summoning like Manda & Aoda or his 8 head serpent mode not many shinobi can take that on aspecially Orochimaru is able to use Poisonous attacks

2. Edo tensei was made for battle purpose like Madara because even summonings are considered people power it was stated for hanzo , Jiariya , nagato, tobirama why would you want to do that what would characthers like Hanzo, Jirariya, Nagato be considered with out there awakenings it may not be fare but it's still there arsenal it fulls under ninjutsu/spacetime jutsu right?

3. How wouldn't it his body is rejecting him so he can't use it at its full potential it was stated all over the manga Orochimaru was weakened after his fight with hiruzen?

I wouldn't call Edo part of his power. It's no different really than "Shit, I'm weaker than you, so I'm going to have someone better fight with or for me."

Edo tensei was made for battle purpose like Madara because even summonings are considered people power it was stated for hanzo , Jiariya , nagato, tobirama why would you want to do that what would characthers like Hanzo, Jirariya, Nagato be considered with out there awakenings it may not be fare but it's still there arsenal it fulls under ninjutsu/spacetime jutsu right?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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1. Giant Snake summoning like Manda & Aoda or his 8 head serpent mode not many shinobi can take that on aspecially Orochimaru is able to use Poisonous attacks

2. Edo tensei was made for battle purpose like Madara because even summonings are considered people power it was stated for hanzo , Jiariya , nagato, tobirama why would you want to do that what would characthers like Hanzo, Jirariya, Nagato be considered with out there awakenings it may not be fare but it's still there arsenal it fulls under ninjutsu/spacetime jutsu right?

3. How wouldn't it his body is rejecting him so he can't use it at its full potential it was stated all over the manga Orochimaru was weakened after his fight with hiruzen?


Edo tensei was made for battle purpose like Madara because even summonings are considered people power it was stated for hanzo , Jiariya , nagato, tobirama why would you want to do that what would characthers like Hanzo, Jirariya, Nagato be considered with out there awakenings it may not be fare but it's still there arsenal it fulls under ninjutsu/spacetime jutsu right?

1. Forgot about that. I considered those as part of armless Orochimaru's arsenal.

2. Yes, but I thought we were talking about Orochimaru's own abilities. Edo tensei is part of Orocimaru's power, but the abilities are his edo's not his. What I meant in my post is that people overrate Orochimaru's own abilities. Anyone who doesn't think Orochimaru isn't top 10 with edos is a moron, that's evident.

3. It was stated all over that Sasuke killed him when he was weak. That doesn't mean that Orochimaru was weak then. By all indications, his body eventually acted up after fighting Naruto. It didn't indicate that he was weakened to begin with.

A tactical and strategic genius who manipulates those around him to achieve his goals.

Immortality goal achieved.

A master of many techniques - his life's work is to master as many as possible - yes, we haven't seen him demonstrate large numbers of techniques, but what he has shown so far is impressive.

Took on the 4 tailed Naruto - with a body that was rejecting him and with no hands. Showed no real fear - was happy to toy with Naruto for a while.

I consider Edo Tensei to be part of his arsenal - no different to summons used by others.

Sasuke has defended Oro more than once after Sasuke absorbed him - indicating that taking on Oro in his ill state was not representative of what Oro can do.

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Toying indicates that Orochimaru was holding back or could win. Neither was the case. He was enjoying himself, but he was out for blood and literally couldn't kill Naruto no matter how hard he tried and was forced to defend himself multiple times. He wasn't holding back.

 

[Amaterasuice]

No, he's overrated. A good deal of people hype him up to be stronger than Minato, Jiraya and Tobirama without edo tensei. Lot's of people assume that unless it's an insanely large attack, nothing will hurt Orochimaru, when in fact, regen is costly and that his stamina is no better than Sasuke's.(on the page you provided)

I agree with the other two, but Orochimaru and Jiraiya are pretty much equal and it just depends on the person. I personally put Orochimaru as stronger, but only because he got a zetsu body.

OT: Yes, Orochimaru is underated. He's number 15 in my top 20.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I agree with the other two, but Orochimaru and Jiraiya are pretty much equal and it just depends on the person. I personally put Orochimaru as stronger, but only because he got a zetsu body.

OT: Yes, Orochimaru is underated. He's number 15 in my top 20.

I used Jiraya as an example because I think he's stronger and a bunch of people treat it like it's an obvious fact that Orochimaru's stronger, but I seriously doubt that. In fact, Maybe I should make a VS thread of this.

 

[Joker]

1. Forgot about that. I considered those as part of armless Orochimaru's arsenal.

2. Yes, but I thought we were talking about Orochimaru's own abilities. Edo tensei is part of Orocimaru's power, but the abilities are his edo's not his. What I meant in my post is that people overrate Orochimaru's own abilities. Anyone who doesn't think Orochimaru isn't top 10 with edos is a moron, that's evident.

3. It was stated all over that Sasuke killed him when he was weak. That doesn't mean that Orochimaru was weak then. By all indications, his body eventually acted up after fighting Naruto. It didn't indicate that he was weakened to begin with.




Toying indicates that Orochimaru was holding back or could win. Neither was the case. He was enjoying himself, but he was out for blood and literally couldn't kill Naruto no matter how hard he tried and was forced to defend himself multiple times. He wasn't holding back.

He said he was toying with Naruto and had fun, he implied he wanted and could continue the battle if not for this rejecting body, I think we should leave it at that.

 

[Amaterasuice]

I used Jiraya as an example because I think he's stronger and a bunch of people treat it like it's an obvious fact that Orochimaru's stronger, but I seriously doubt that. In fact, Maybe I should make a VS thread of this.

It's not obvious between the two. Orochimaru and Jiraiya are meant to parallel Naruto and Sasuke for a reason. They are supposed to be debatable.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He said he was toying with Naruto and had fun, he implied he wanted and could continue the battle if not for this rejecting body, I think we should leave it at that.

Well yes, I agree if that's what he meant.

It's not obvious between the two. Orochimaru and Jiraiya are meant to parallel Naruto and Sasuke for a reason. They are supposed to be debatable.

That's why I think Orochimaru's overrated. Although I should have specified this a bit more.

 

[Joker]

Well yes, I agree if that's what he meant.
That's why I think Orochimaru's overrated. Although I should have specified this a bit more.

I still think Orochimaru is stronger than Minato, hopefully we'll get new feats backing my claim up further.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

At the end of the day,he still Sasuke pet

thread solo'd

I wouldn't call Edo part of his power. It's no different really than "Shit, I'm weaker than you, so I'm going to have someone better fight with or for me."

by this logic Tsunade shouldn't use the solo' slug

Hiruzen > Orochimaru easily

this is actually true (even though it was meant to be trolling/sarcasm)

 

[Ovan]

Hell naw. He a beast and always was a beast.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

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