Orochimaru - The Snake and Dragon Sage.

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I'm creating this thread to prove that Orochimaru does indeed possess a Sage Mode. I know a lot people in here have doubts about that so I'll do my best to convince them.
Moreover, I'll try to prove that one does need to possess White Snake Powers first to even think about learning DSM.

Let's start.

I. How do I know that Orochimaru has Sage Mode?

1. We all know Orochimaru dreamed to find Ryuchidou and learn Sage Mode.

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2. We also know he did train there but due to not having body strong enough, he couldn't fully enter the SM.

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3. Ok, now you may say that he may have trained there but eventually didn't learn it. That's not true.

a) Firstly, we know that he can gather Senjutsu Chakra. And not only gather but use it in small amounts - Cursed Seals being an example.

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b) Secondly, there is a reason behind Orochimaru believing that Kimimaro would've been THE perfect host for him. Strong body and lifeforce that would be able to withstand the powers of the Sage Mode. Sadly, his illness complicated the process.

c) Another thing is - why did Orochimaru possess Zetsu's body after his reincarnation? He didn't have to do that. I've heard people say that he had to find another host after cutting his stomach. That's not true. Orochimaru survived point-blank chakra scalpel strikes to his chest and his throat and simply used his Body Replacement.

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That being said, there had to be another reason. Yeah, Zetsu. A body made in 100% of Hashirama cells. A body capable of maintaining SM. We know that Orochimaru carried out many experiments on those cells with many positive results - for example granting Mokuton to Yamato and Danzo. He himself said that he knows everything about that DNA and also said he has interest in it.

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II. Why I believe that one does need White Snake Powers to even attempt learning DSM?

1. In Japanese mythology and tales, snakes and dragons are connected with each other. Also, we know that Kishimoto likes to use many references, just like Yamata no Orochi, which literally means 8-headed giant snake was in fact a dragon in a Japanese legend.

2. Moreover, Ryuchidou is a residence of Snakes. And guess what. Who is the boss there? The Sage of White Snake.

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3. That said, it leaves us with 2 users of Snake (Dragon) Sage Mode. Kabuto and Orochimaru. No other users are known and from what we know, both Orochimaru and Kabuto were in possession of White Snake Powers before having found and trained in Ryuchidou.

III. A strange thing I've noticed.

1. Look at this scan. We can clearly see, that Orochimaru even in his youth and before any snake connections had those strange markings around his eyes.

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Many said it was a painting, others that it's just how he looks. But I noticed a strange thing.

2. Kabuto, after gaining Orochimaru's powers, gained those markings too.

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Why did that happen? After transfering Oro's blood, he gained his powers, but he didn't gain Oro's looks, his hair, face etc. Then why would he get the markings? Well, he could've painted them :) But wait...

3. Look here.

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The markings are gone!
Moreover, Sasuke stated that Oro sucked ONLY his own chakra. So that means that the markings were some sort of power, some unique trait.
I think that Orochimaru was born with snake affinity, even though he didn't know that from the start.
That's what helped him in gaining White Snake Powers, finding Ryuchidou and learning Sage Mode.

Ok, I'm done. Hope you enjoyed and hope it makes sense to you.
I believe that this thread can convince some people that Orochimaru does indeed posses Sage Mode.
He is the original one and I hope we'll get to see him in some serious action soon enough :)
 

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absorbing his own chakra doesn't automatically give him sage mode

he has to train under the Sage of White Snake which he didn't therefore he doesn't have sm
 

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noh e doesn't .

Lord Kabuto said that Oro never had the right body for training . Now he does , but he still needs to go with the snake sage & train .

this is a Kabuto Original only .
 

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Seems legit.

Thank you :)

absorbing his own chakra doesn't automatically give him sage mode

he has to train under the Sage of White Snake which he didn't therefore he doesn't have sm

He did train in Ryuchidou. He mastered senjutsu chakra gathering, he just didn't have a body strong enough to fully go into SM. Now that he has a body made out of Hashi cells, it's more than possible that he could. He wouldn't have taken over it if it wasn't a good one.
 

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Not sure if he does or doesn't. I'm leaning towards yes.
Good thread too :)
 

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Awesome theory,bring up more of this theory's about Orochimaru,you're doing an awesome job.
 

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Yep. i was skeptical at first, but you convinced me. nice theory dude
 

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I'm creating this thread to prove that Orochimaru does indeed possess a Sage Mode. I know a lot people in here have doubts about that so I'll do my best to convince them.
Moreover, I'll try to prove that one does need to possess White Snake Powers first to even think about learning DSM.

Let's start.

I. How do I know that Orochimaru has Sage Mode?

1. We all know Orochimaru dreamed to find Ryuchidou and learn Sage Mode.

You must be registered for see images

2. We also know he did train there but due to not having body strong enough, he couldn't fully enter the SM.

You must be registered for see images

3. Ok, now you may say that he may have trained there but eventually didn't learn it. That's not true.

a) Firstly, we know that he can gather Senjutsu Chakra. And not only gather but use it in small amounts - Cursed Seals being an example.

You must be registered for see images

b) Secondly, there is a reason behind Orochimaru believing that Kimimaro would've been THE perfect host for him. Strong body and lifeforce that would be able to withstand the powers of the Sage Mode. Sadly, his illness complicated the process.

c) Another thing is - why did Orochimaru possess Zetsu's body after his reincarnation? He didn't have to do that. I've heard people say that he had to find another host after cutting his stomach. That's not true. Orochimaru survived point-blank chakra scalpel strikes to his chest and his throat and simply used his Body Replacement.

You must be registered for see images

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That being said, there had to be another reason. Yeah, Zetsu. A body made in 100% of Hashirama cells. A body capable of maintaining SM. We know that Orochimaru carried out many experiments on those cells with many positive results - for example granting Mokuton to Yamato and Danzo. He himself said that he knows everything about that DNA and also said he has interest in it.

You must be registered for see images

II. Why I believe that one does need White Snake Powers to even attempt learning DSM?

1. In Japanese mythology and tales, snakes and dragons are connected with each other. Also, we know that Kishimoto likes to use many references, just like Yamata no Orochi, which literally means 8-headed giant snake was in fact a dragon in a Japanese legend.

2. Moreover, Ryuchidou is a residence of Snakes. And guess what. Who is the boss there? The Sage of White Snake.

You must be registered for see images

3. That said, it leaves us with 2 users of Snake (Dragon) Sage Mode. Kabuto and Orochimaru. No other users are known and from what we know, both Orochimaru and Kabuto were in possession of White Snake Powers before having found and trained in Ryuchidou.

III. A strange thing I've noticed.

1. Look at this scan. We can clearly see, that Orochimaru even in his youth and before any snake connections had those strange markings around his eyes.

You must be registered for see images

Many said it was a painting, others that it's just how he looks. But I noticed a strange thing.

2. Kabuto, after gaining Orochimaru's powers, gained those markings too.

You must be registered for see images

Why did that happen? After transfering Oro's blood, he gained his powers, but he didn't gain Oro's looks, his hair, face etc. Then why would he get the markings? Well, he could've painted them :) But wait...

3. Look here.

You must be registered for see images

The markings are gone!
Moreover, Sasuke stated that Oro sucked ONLY his own chakra. So that means that the markings were some sort of power, some unique trait.
I think that Orochimaru was born with snake affinity, even though he didn't know that from the start.
That's what helped him in gaining White Snake Powers, finding Ryuchidou and learning Sage Mode.

Ok, I'm done. Hope you enjoyed and hope it makes sense to you.
I believe that this thread can convince some people that Orochimaru does indeed posses Sage Mode.
He is the original one and I hope we'll get to see him in some serious action soon enough :)

If he had Sage Mode why didn't he use it against the Third Hokage? :| Seems to me if he had this gambit he wouldn't have gotten his ass beat. I'd neg you if I wasn't so sure you'd... never mind. Anyway you're wrong. And every person who agrees with you should kill themselves.

Also, anyone notice how Orochimaru never used this "sage mode" against Honzo? Of course you guys didn't because you're all fcking dumb.
 
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1. There is no "Dragon" Sage Mode.

Kabuto used a Japanese proverb about a snake becoming a dragon, which means a superior child can be born from inferior lineage. Kabuto was a nobody orphan who believed that he surpassed the elite Uchiha.

Then in another sentence said he has Sage Mode. The two are unrelated, "Dragon Sage Mode" is just a misconception.

2. Kabuto said that Orochimaru's body couldn't handle Sage Mode, so he seeks out one that can.

Since he has a Zetsu body he probably can now.
 

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1. There is no "Dragon" Sage Mode.

Kabuto used a Japanese proverb about a snake becoming a dragon, which means a superior child can be born from inferior lineage. Kabuto was a nobody orphan who believed that he surpassed the elite Uchiha.

Then in another sentence said he has Sage Mode. The two are unrelated, "Dragon Sage Mode" is just a misconception.

Not sure if I understand u correctly, but I, as well, believe that there are no both Snake and Dragon Sage Modes.
In my opinion they are the same thing. Whatever you call the Sage Mode learned at Ryuchidou, it's the one you gain under the guidance of The Sage of White Snake.
And due to many connections between snakes and dragons in Japanese mythology, there may be some misconceptions. It's just a matter of naming it. I don't mind going with DSM, tbh, but I understand people who want to call it simply Snake Sage Mode.
 
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