[Discussion] Orochimaru Leaving The Akatsuki

[Nigete]

I like it, good theory.

 

[blazekev90]

Orochimaru lost his arms in the fight with the 3d.
However, he regained use of them when he switched bodies before Sasuke could reach him in the Sasuke retrieval arc.

Orochimaru has full use of his arms.
But the's still useless on the battlefield anyway, most Jonin can take him by now.

Use of his arms (movement), yes. But he can't utilize jutsu (hand seals).

 

[thegame]

Hmm, well the rinnengan seems to take away a persons life force, so I doubt he would need it to become immortal, however, Madara had to become immortal to use the rinnengan, or his life force would go away. At least that is what I believe, and the reason he gave away his eyes, he simply needed immortality to use rinnengan.

Though rest of it seems fine, I, however, doubt that it is possible to become the 10 tails host without having immortality, like so6p probably had, since it probably also takes away a lot of life force.

Whether Oro actually was associated so deep into akatsuki, well I have a hard time believing it. What is even weirder is that Itachi didn't kill him, perhaps he thought it would be better to let akatsuki use time to hunt him down, but look where that got konoha and sasuke...

 

[Simple Math]

good theory.. explain why he might play a big role on the war..

 

[Raiden001]

Whether Oro actually was associated so deep into akatsuki, well I have a hard time believing it. What is even weirder is that Itachi didn't kill him, perhaps he thought it would be better to let akatsuki use time to hunt him down, but look where that got konoha and sasuke...

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Prior to Naruto leaving for his 3 year apprenticeship with Jiraya, down the bottom of the link Zetsu states that the full gathering of Akatsuki members hasn't been done since Orochimaru had left which was 7 years prior.

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^ thats where alot of "what if's" come into it and this whole mystery about "timing" begins i feel
* 3 years is also the amount of time in-between the Body Switch Jutsu from Orochimaru

 

[blazekev90]

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Prior to Naruto leaving for his 3 year apprenticeship with Jiraya, down the bottom of the link Zetsu states that the full gathering of Akatsuki members hasn't been done since Orochimaru had left which was 7 years prior.

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^ thats where alot of "what if's" come into it and this whole mystery about "timing" begins i feel
* 3 years is also the amount of time in-between the Body Switch Jutsu from Orochimaru

So what exactly are you trying to figure out??

 

[thegame]

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Prior to Naruto leaving for his 3 year apprenticeship with Jiraya, down the bottom of the link Zetsu states that the full gathering of Akatsuki members hasn't been done since Orochimaru had left which was 7 years prior.

^ thats where alot of "what if's" come into it and this whole mystery about "timing" begins i feel
* 3 years is also the amount of time in-between the Body Switch Jutsu from Orochimaru

Yeah that part may very well be linked that 3 year time period, but it might also be that it was the time it would take before something "special" would happen.. As Madara refers to as well, he said "there is still time" and that obito got impatient. Now since we don't know what it is, I would rather believe that the 10 tails can only be revived on a certain day, probably something with the location of the moon or whatever, I doubt the part about oros immortality, because he just wasn't the type to share it.

My point about Oro was that I don't think Oro was associated with the remaining members, which you show here, at least not very deep, and these members gathered here didn't know everything about him. I have made a thread before, where I suggest that Oro got hashiramas remains from the real madara, probably through some transformed zetsu clone. Then Oro did some favor for him, which was "spurring" Yahiko to start akatsuki, so this is much earlier than this scene, whereas most of these people weren't in akatsuki (except for nagato and konan). It is because obito said he made yahiko start akatsuki, but he wasn't even born at the time it was started. Anyway just the short version of it..

 

[Raiden001]

blazekev90 What I'm trying to figure out is the connection of the following progression of the current story to the "immortality jutsu"

from my understanding, my conclusion so far is:

* Uchiha Madara had already deciphered most of the Naka Shrine his whole "Moon's Eye Plan" was pretty much a rouse to convince Obito to help him continue his preparations from beyond the grave.

Madara didn't have Orochimaru's jutsu "Body Switch Jutsu" and his only way to stay alive long enough was to connect himself to the Gedo Mazo Statue.

* Orochimaru has been researching ways to be immortal and has most likely come across Uchiha Madara's own research/goals/plans through various means; but is limited to not having the following per-requisits:

* Sharingan/ms/ems/rinningan
* Uchiha body

Think of the preparation involved in collecting all the bijuu. And such importance of Akatsuki getting everything completed in 3 years, after finding out "Orochimaru has gained the sharingan" ? and had used his Body Switch Jutsu.

Think about all the destruction that the Akatsuki has done in that time frame, all at the command of Tobi/Obito carrying out Uchiha Madara's will.

Obito himself is being manipulated by Madara he just hasn't realized this yet.

In my opinion it feels like its a race to either becomming the next Sage Of 6 Paths or Immortality between Madara and Orochimaru and so far Madara is losing.

 

[thegame]

Well perhaps, but I think it is very unlikely..

Although I could add some factors to point in your favor. From what we know about Madara he seems like the type that couldn't care less about eternal peace. But there is also the possibility that he promised his brother something, and he wont go back on his promise, lol, but in the end all humans are selfish.

For Obito. Yes in order to manipulate him a plan like the moons eye plan would surely be useful.. But it is a bit strange he already started mentioning it for him even before he barely knew who and how obito was. Of course he might have learned through zetsu spies through reading his memory, so can't neglect it.

Regarding the Naka Shrine Oro should also know most of it now, since he saw everything Kabuto did, and Kabuto just confirmed "their" theory. Another fun fact is that Kabuto says "Lord Orochimarou and I made a hypothesis based on our research, and now you have proved it" or something like that as I remember. Which is interesting cause why mention Orochimarou to Madara, if Madara didn't know him? There is definitely something to it. It would also explain why Oro joined akatsuki to figure out their goals and how far Madara had come. I'm also pretty sure Oro and Kabuto knew for a long time that Madara was not Tobi.

 

[Raiden001]

this is way off topic to my original post but here goes my opinions from my own perspective:

Although I could add some factors to point in your favor. From what we know about Madara he seems like the type that couldn't care less about eternal peace. But there is also the possibility that he promised his brother something, and he wont go back on his promise, lol, but in the end all humans are selfish.

From my understanding of Madara's history, Madara did want peace but only if he was the Dictator why make a truce with the Senju otherwise ?

For Obito. Yes in order to manipulate him a plan like the moons eye plan would surely be useful.. But it is a bit strange he already started mentioning it for him even before he barely knew who and how obito was. Of course he might have learned through zetsu spies through reading his memory, so can't neglect it.

If someone told me that their true intent was to either be the following : SO6P, Immortality, i would be questioning "whats in it for me?"
i mean you wouldn't tell someone that you just met that you want to manipulate them into helping you with your true agenda right ?
So of course you tell them something different so they would be enticed into helping you right?

Regarding the Naka Shrine Oro should also know most of it now, since he saw everything Kabuto did, and Kabuto just confirmed "their" theory. Another fun fact is that Kabuto says "Lord Orochimarou and I made a hypothesis based on our research, and now you have proved it" or something like that as I remember. Which is interesting cause why mention Orochimarou to Madara, if Madara didn't know him? There is definitely something to it. It would also explain why Oro joined akatsuki to figure out their goals and how far Madara had come. I'm also pretty sure Oro and Kabuto knew for a long time that Madara was not Tobi.

The Uchiha were the only clan able to decipher the Naka Shrine which was in segments/stages; the control of the Kyuubi was common knowledge for those with the normal Sharingan. But the information deciphered whilst reading the Naka Shrine with the MS is limited and can still be speculated upon as well as i can only think of 2 possible people actually capable of reading it currently:

*Sasuke
*Kakashi (doubtful since the Naka Shrine is a Secret Uchiha spot)

The first Uchiha to actually decipher more than the already common knowledge would have been Izuna and Madara through the MS, and quite possibly more information was deciphered by Madara after obtaining EMS concerning the Rinningan and the Juubi

Orochimaru and Kabuto would have only theorized and speculated from historic events/myths through experiments/analysis left behind by Madara

And seeing that Kishi has this whole Uchiha brotherly love going i agree i would love to see Izuna beside Madara again ruling together myself although i know that their Era has long passed by.

This is just my opinion and view on what I've gathered so far from Kishi's story telling.

 

[Raiden001]

i forgot this part as well which also raises the issue of "Immortality" by itachi himself with a very precise description of Uchiha Madara

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