Orochimaru > Kabuto!!!! Edo Tension Debate

[Kira Vs L]

the amount of times i read edo tension in this stupid OP actually made me angry, but to keep things short here is the proof you are wrong

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This exactly, I was going to say that Kabuto clearly said that he surpassed oro, but this makes it so much clearer

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

Your thread is well made, however, kabuto > oro, becuase they did all the research together and it's because of kabutos medical and scientific expertise that they were able to make so much progress. Oro may be a fun and better overall villian but as far as power goes Kabuto is now better and their knowledge of edo is more or less the same..

 

[Kira Vs L]

He surpassed them in his number and his ability to modify the people he revived agreed but he still needed Oro's power to do it and was obviously weaker in binding them to his will since Madara had the ability to release himself from it when Hashirama, who is supposedly more powerful because he defeated Madara in battle, couldn't under Orochimaru's control.

The only reason madara was able to release himself from it was because Kabuto gave madara emotions and the ability to act on his own, if he wanted to he could have taken full control of him like he did with zabuza. And so what if Kabuto is using oro power, naruto is using kurama and sasuke using itachi's.

 

[MickNerks]

Oro>Kabuto

But Kabuto still a genius for the Specialized Madara Resurrection, and his other perks.

That is true.

the amount of times i read edo tension in this stupid OP actually made me angry, but to keep things short here is the proof you are wrong

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I do recall this. But kabuto has bragged about being superior while he had oro powers. He also claimed that he was immune to genjutsu, yet

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Kabuto talks a great game, but he isnt the best. All his power was stolen from orochimaru. Orochimaru can do everything that kabuto can do. Kabuto stated he surpassed orochimaru because he believed orochimaru to be dead. They only superior edo summoning kabuto has used is Edo Madara. And no because of kabuto aragance to not completely bind his edo's, Madara has escaped.

Ofcorse he is. Kabuto may have this advance edo madara but oro is still is boss.kabuto":edo tensei (madara)," oro:"go kill yourself." Kabuto"yes boss!"

True

 

[MickNerks]

Your thread is well made, however, kabuto > oro, becuase they did all the research together and it's because of kabutos medical and scientific expertise that they were able to make so much progress. Oro may be a fun and better overall villian but as far as power goes Kabuto is now better and their knowledge of edo is more or less the same..

Kabuto's medical and scientific expertise is not superior to orochimaru's. Orochimaru taught kabuto what he knows. Look at when orochimaru brought kabuto to his lair. Orochimaru already had test subjects and experaments going on. Orochimaru taught kabuto everything he knows.

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The only reason madara was able to release himself from it was because Kabuto gave madara emotions and the ability to act on his own, if he wanted to he could have taken full control of him like he did with zabuza. And so what if Kabuto is using oro power, naruto is using kurama and sasuke using itachi's.

Exactly. The fact that he didnt have full control over edo's cost him dearly. And while zabuza was under his complete control, zabaza still broke free. Kabuto didnt have the chakra to keep edo's under his control, that why he went after oro's chakra. Oro could do it, but kabuto can not.

 

[Kira Vs L]

Exactly. The fact that he didnt have full control over edo's cost him dearly. And while zabuza was under his complete control, zabaza still broke free. Kabuto didnt have the chakra to keep edo's under his control, that why he went after oro's chakra. Oro could do it, but kabuto can not.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but it was never stated that Kabuto didn't have the chakra to keep the edo's under control he wanted to be like oro from the very beginning, and if I recall after Kabuto took full control of zabuza, or nagato or anyone for that matter they couldn't break free no matter how strong they were. Yes it did cost Kabuto a lot for not having full control of madara but that doesn't mean oro edo is stronger.

 

[MickNerks]

Sorry but it was never stated that Kabuto didn't have the chakra to keep the edo's under control he wanted to be like oro from the very beginning, and if I recall after Kabuto took full control of zabuza, or nagato or anyone for that matter they couldn't break free no matter how strong they were. Yes it did cost Kabuto a lot for not having full control of madara but that doesn't mean oro edo is stronger.

2. Kabuto is not even strong enought to completly master Edo tension. He also states in the manga that he needs more of orochimaru's chakra in order to increase his binding power of edo tension.

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And once he does absorb anko's oro chakra he states that his binding power becomes more powerful. And gives credit to orochimaru for having such magnificent chakra.

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[Forbidden Twilight]

I think Kabuto'd edos were mainly less effective because he was using them for psychological warfare purposes. sure he wanted to win, he just wanted it to be a complete victory.

 

[Prime Rib]

People cant grasp this justsu, the diff between kabuto edo and orochimaru edo jutsu is how they controll the user with the tailsman, simple as that Orochimaru bound them completley with his,Kabuto allows his to have there memories,thoughts,and have some controll. but there still bound to him. simple as that theres no difference in the jutsu no power difference. Hiruzen beat tobirama and hashirama by himself

 

[Kira Vs L]

Ok I miss understood what you were saying my thoughts were that if Kabuto didn't have oro power he couldn't do edo, and that's where I said that it was never stated that without oro's power he couldn't do it. Yes he did need oro's power to have more control over them and to be able to control so many edo's at once. And with out oro's power he wouldn't be as strong as he was all that is true and yes oro is stronger ( well that's kinda ify cus he never got sage mode, and isn't really a medical ninja but still) but the debate is who's edo is stronger and that goes to Kabuto, oro maybe better than him in every other way but when it comes to edo Kabuto surpassed him and he stated that himself. Yes without oro's power he would have never be able to surpass him but he did.

 

[MickNerks]

People cant grasp this justsu, the diff between kabuto edo and orochimaru edo jutsu is how they controll the user with the tailsman, simple as that Orochimaru bound them completley with his,Kabuto allows his to have there memories,thoughts,and have some controll. but there still bound to him. simple as that theres no difference in the jutsu no power difference. Hiruzen beat tobirama and hashirama by himself

True. As well. But kabuto even admitted that his wasnt as powerful in terms of binding as orochimaru's is.

Ok I miss understood what you were saying my thoughts were that if Kabuto didn't have oro power he couldn't do edo, and that's where I said that it was never stated that without oro's power he couldn't do it. Yes he did need oro's power to have more control over them and to be able to control so many edo's at once. And with out oro's power he wouldn't be as strong as he was all that is true and yes oro is stronger ( well that's kinda ify cus he never got sage mode, and isn't really a medical ninja but still) but the debate is who's edo is stronger and that goes to Kabuto, oro maybe better than him in every other way but when it comes to edo Kabuto surpassed him and he stated that himself. Yes without oro's power he would have never be able to surpass him but he did.

Its funny though because yes kabuto did state he surpasses oro edo tensei. But then later he admits that he need orochimaru's power to use it fully.

 

[Simple Math]

i agree.. but people only said kabuto was better bcuz of feats.. oro is the true boss

 

[Xaviour]

Titans fighting in a cage is a very valid point. I still disagree based on the fact that Kabuto revived 10-20 people at the same time (several Kage level) and the fact that a Perfect Susasno could probably break that cage so why not Harashima?

 

[MickNerks]

Titans fighting in a cage is a very valid point. I still disagree based on the fact that Kabuto revived 10-20 people at the same time (several Kage level) and the fact that a Perfect Susasno could probably break that cage so why not Harashima?

Speculation allows you to say perfect susanoo could break the barrier. But its a 2 layer barrier, that mokuton couldnt even break.

 

[kellzfresh]

Good thread, I knew oro was stronger than kabuto, just because his hands were taken and he couldn't do jutsus, pple saw him weaker.
But make no mistake that hashi still stumps hiruzen in battle only reaper death seal can draw it out. xd

 

[scottyy]

Orochimaru is just a boss

 

[AngryRock]

Oro's BINDING was stronger. That means that they didn't have the chance to, like you said, release the jutus or to crumble away due to their lives being fulfilled, like Sasori. By completely ridding Edo's of their personalities and turning them into complete killing machines, you take away from their effectiveness in battle.They don't use their specific strategies that would most likely work best with their skills. Kabuto gave them a task and let the summons go about it as they wanted. That made them more versatile than when Oro summoned Hashi and Tobirama, but also more likely to go rogue, like Madara, or vanish. Hiruzen was a beast though and deserves credit for taking out two hokages. I still believe that an alive Hashi vs Hiruzen would result in Hashi winning unless Hiruzen resorts to reaper death seal, again, mainly because of Hashi's healing factor and flowering tree world.

Not necessarily, Itachi never battled to kill so he might be even better without the emotions keeping him from killing people.