Orochimaru/Jiraiya vs Pein discussion

[Shinozgr8]

Anyone besides myself think that Orochimaru would have fared better against 6 Paths than Jiraiya? I also think that kishi missed a divine moment for them to team there also. Maybe they could have teamed and Orochimaru would leave him to die? Idk. I just think so much more could have been done with that fight. Like...perfect opportunity for an Orochimaru back story which we still NEVER got. I still enjoyed it though...thoughts?

 

[Joon]

Naw. The Nagato/Pain hype is real. He could take Orochimaru's soul.

 

[Bimbonium]

At that point in the story, why would Orochimaru want to team up with Jiraiya, and pein was Jiraiya's student so it was a befitting end for him, having Oro there would be messed up.

Also Oro would have been wrecked, at that point in the story he still had his arms inside the RDS

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Depends if Orochimaru came ready with edo tensei and his arms to use ninjutsu.
It's weird seeing the samsera snake fight the samsera eye.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

That fight was perfect apart from Jiraiya dying obviously. Went well with the story. Frog song could've solo'd all the paths if they had revealed themselved earlier so no. Oro wouldn't have fared better, especially in that environment for snake summons.

There were also ninjas chopping onions, if you didn't notice.

 

[Ambivalence]

Oro would've fared more or less the same against the initial 3 Paths, but once the other 3 (and especially Deva) came out he'd have died regardless.

As for the team up, I agree with the blue panda that it was Jiraiya's special ending, and Oro didn't have a place there.

 

[Mari Makinami]

If Edo Tensei is not restricted, then Orochimaru can stomp Nagato and Pain. Without it - not a chance.

 

[UltraPain]

All of Oro's ninjutsu would be neutralised by Pain's Preta and Deva and his summons would be overwhelmed by Animal. He would prob then figure out like Jiraiya did that taijutsu and genjutsu are needed but his taijutsu isn't as impressive and he doesn't have the extra kick of SM to finish the job. As for genjutsu I don't see Oro having anything strong enough to break through dojutsu eyes.

The only trump card that Oro has is edo tensei and if he has enough time to get the Kages or Madara out then Pain is screwed.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Think people are overhyping Oro's imperfect edo tensei. Raisin Hiruzen could handle that...

 

[Shinozgr8]

At that part in Shippuden, Orochimaru had his arms. He would have had another body also. Snake summons would have fared better than frog summons, especially Manda (if orochimaru had prepared sacrifices). Don't forget manda took on both Katsuyu and Boss frog at once for some time. The list of Orochimaru's jutsu outclass Jiraiya's except for the sage mode. Although pein was Jiraiya's student, I still think maybe Orochimaru could have came to his former comrades rescue, like he did with Tsunade. Orochimaru can't die, only be sealed. With proper information, he can counter that also. I mean, he taught Sasuke Kirin...that's proof that there's more to him technique/just wise that's been shown. Perfect opportunity to showcase both shinobi

 

[Shinozgr8]

It's speculated that Orochimaru wanted to kill hiruzen himself, not with the edos

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

At that part in Shippuden, Orochimaru had his arms. He would have had another body also. Snake summons would have fared better than frog summons, especially Manda (if orochimaru had prepared sacrifices). Don't forget manda took on both Katsuyu and Boss frog at once for some time. The list of Orochimaru's jutsu outclass Jiraiya's except for the sage mode. Although pein was Jiraiya's student, I still think maybe Orochimaru could have came to his former comrades rescue, like he did with Tsunade. Orochimaru can't die, only be sealed. With proper information, he can counter that also. I mean, he taught Sasuke Kirin...that's proof that there's more to him technique/just wise that's been shown. Perfect opportunity to showcase both shinobi

Nobody at that stage in the manga stood a better chance than jiraiya except maybe someone with koto or jinton hax. Did you see the environment? Thousands of pipes and apartment style towers. Toads navigated soooo much better that they escaped. Snakes bodies, particularly the necks put them at a disadvantage. Cerberus would've shredded it from the outside and inside if it ate it. Katsuyu is a non factor in combat bar dodging some acid.

Jiraiya's arsenal is definitely better, bar edo tensei. How does Oro potentially solo all the paths when Shinra tensei exists? Oro helped Tsunade to help Sasuke who "spun his windmill"

Nobody had intel on Pain. That was the point in Jiraiyas mission. Kishi actually said with Hidan and a few others that he didn't get to showcase all of his abilities yet he was still beaten by Shikamaru. Proof that Oro deserves more credit for Sasuke having kirin btw plz.

Oro couldn't even kill Hiruzen with edos sooooo...

 

[Shinozgr8]

Nobody at that stage in the manga stood a better chance than jiraiya except maybe someone with koto or jinton hax. Did you see the environment? Thousands of pipes and apartment style towers. Toads navigated soooo much better that they escaped. Snakes bodies, particularly the necks put them at a disadvantage. Cerberus would've shredded it from the outside and inside if it ate it. Katsuyu is a non factor in combat bar dodging some acid.

Jiraiya's arsenal is definitely better, bar edo tensei. How does Oro potentially solo all the paths when Shinra tensei exists? Oro helped Tsunade to help Sasuke who "spun his windmill"

Nobody had intel on Pain. That was the point in Jiraiyas mission. Kishi actually said with Hidan and a few others that he didn't get to showcase all of his abilities yet he was still beaten by Shikamaru. Proof that Oro deserves more credit for Sasuke having kirin btw plz.

Oro couldn't even kill Hiruzen with edos sooooo...

Snakes maneuver far better than toads (hence manda vs katsyuu and Boss toad). Snakes can climb, swim, and slither pretty quickly. And can flatten their bodies to adjust to such. If that isn't the perfect environment, idk what is. Snakes are known for subduing their prey by strangulation also. An easy task for a snake as large as manda who towers above majority of summons. Orochimaru was hiruzen's number 1 pupil and heir to the hokage spot. Speculation he knows as many jutsu, if not more than hiruzen. Although they weren't shown in the series for lack of screen time.

I never said oro would solo them. I said he would fare better, as in survive MUCH longer and possibly even survived the fight. He far out classes jiraiya in that department as well, seeing as though he found a way to cheat death itself. I'm saying he would've survived long enough to discern the paths secret and live to tell it, jiraiya figured it out, but didn't have the stamina to continue

My bad about the kirin. It was jus stated that he helped him along the way, I guess in terms of enhancing drugs to that he could pull of the kirin. It's also speculation that Orochimaru may have had a hand because of all the forbidden jutsu he knows

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Snakes maneuver far better than toads (hence manda vs katsyuu and Boss toad). Snakes can climb, swim, and slither pretty quickly. And can flatten their bodies to adjust to such. If that isn't the perfect environment, idk what is. Snakes are known for subduing their prey by strangulation also. An easy task for a snake as large as manda who towers above majority of summons. Orochimaru was hiruzen's number 1 pupil and heir to the hokage spot. Speculation he knows as many jutsu, if not more than hiruzen. Although they weren't shown in the series for lack of screen time.

I never said oro would solo them. I said he would fare better, as in survive MUCH longer and possibly even survived the fight. He far out classes jiraiya in that department as well, seeing as though he found a way to cheat death itself. I'm saying he would've survived long enough to discern the paths secret and live to tell it, jiraiya figured it out, but didn't have the stamina to continue

My bad about the kirin. It was jus stated that he helped him along the way, I guess in terms of enhancing drugs to that he could pull of the kirin. It's also speculation that Orochimaru may have had a hand because of all the forbidden jutsu he knows

The boss summon battle was on a plain field.... what if a snake got attacked from behind/above? "Snakes can swim"...lol toads are frickin amphibians. Their eyes and body structeres allow better field of vision. Do you remember when Jiraiya had to enter SM and the toad fled. Remember how Jiraiya had that sensory bubble jutsu to sense the chameleon? What has Oro got?

Boss toad sat on Cerberus and it split. You think strangulation will work?

"No. 1 student of Hirizen" As if that's widely accepted or holds weight. Look at Obito & Kakashi or Sasuke & Naruto.

"Heir to the Hokage spot" why didn't he become hokage then?

Hiruzen knows every Leaf Village jutsu. I'm asking how Oro fairs better. Jiraiya had multiple chances to escape but didn't. Oro is based on being a slimey, slithery snake. He can run away? That's amazing

Oro would take less paths to defeat imo as he doesn't have a frog song calibur jutsu to potentially solo all paths which causes Pain to bring more out.

Was just curious about kirin. Sasuke explained the mechanics along with zetsu if I remember correctly.

All people care about here are feats. Otherwise Kakashis 1K jutsu hype would hold a lot more weight. I just really don't see Oro having the firepower to be a legit threat.