[Predictions] Orochimaru is Sasuke's Nemesis Rather then Madara

[saw2097]

Okay a lot of people have been saying that Sasuke will fight Madara because Madara is his nemesis as Obito is Naruto's nemesis, but I think that Orochimaru is more or less Sasuke's Nemesis.

Many people think his story is over but they forget one thing, we have yet to see the Orochimaru flashbacks, and as everyone knows Kishi always explains a villain's backstory before they are defeated so that makes me think that his story isn't over yet.



Orochimaru's Arms

Also Orochimaru only recently got his arms back and we have yet to see him go all out with his arms, you could try to count Orochimaru's battle with Hiruzen but the Edos did most of the fighting.


The Zetsu Body

Orochimaru recently got a body made from Zetsu DNA and as we all know Senju DNA improves everything, and yet we haven't seen him do much with it. Kishi wouldn't have given Oro a body made from Hashirama's DNA and have him do nothing with it.

Orochimaru and Madara

I made a thread about this earlier and I maintain this theory that Orochimaru and Madara met a long time ago. There is reason to believe it as how did Oro and Kabuto get Madara's body, and how does Orochimaru know so much about the Sharingan.

Also Kabuto commented about Madara's Senju DNA enhancements, this makes me think that maybe Orochimaru helped Madara with his Senju DNA experiments.

Orochimaru and Sasuke

I believe that the reason Oro is helping Sasuke is three fold, one he wants to stop the Eye of the Moon Plan and the second is that he is basically power pumping Sasuke, he wants Sasuke to get stronger so when the time comes he will get a more powerful body. The third reason he is helping is that he couldn't take Sasuke's body last time, and now he is waiting until Sasuke is injured or weakened enough so he can take it.

Orochimaru and Karin

Okay here is where things get iffy and a little out there, what if Karin is really only pretending to be in love with Sasuke. The guy stabbed her with a chidori and she goes right back to loving him, that just seems a little fishy to me especially since Oro was right next to Sasuke when she saw him again.

Also Karin was said to be fanatically loyal to Orochimaru, when Sasuke first came to recruit her she was executing everyone that said Oro was dead.

Maybe she wants revenge against Sasuke and is secretly helping Orochimaru, and she only came back to him was because Orochimaru was there and off panel he gave her orders.

Orochimaru and Edo Hokage

So Oro gets the Four Hokage under his control, some of the most powerful ninja of all time, and he isn't going to use them for his own self gain. I think this one is obvious that when the time comes he will turn them on the heroes.


Final Thoughts

All right so here is what I think is going to happen:

Orochimaru is going to continue to play nice until after Naruto and Sasuke fight, then just as the two of them are reconciling Orochimaru will make his move. He will note that thanks to Naruto Sasuke is now weak and injured enough for him to take over his body.

Currently Sasuke is helping Naruto defeat Obito his nemesis, I believe it will be the reverse with Oro with Naruto helping Sasuke defeat his nemesis.

During the current fight they are working together but there is a lot of friction between the two of them, so I believe that they will fight Oro and probably the Edo Hokages as best friends again.

This is probably where we will see the Susanoo and 9 tails combination, as a sign of their friendship fully reborn.

 

[Clouds]

Orochimaru is a sasuke fanboy... :l

 

[ThatOfLegend]

I agree, this seems plausible, and would also give a good plot foundation for post-Naruto Sasuke fight, as much as I hate Sasuke I have to admit, this manga wouldn't be much without at least a Sasuke-like character in it(Orochimaru in Sasuke's body).

Good job, +repp

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

also you remember the scene when Madara showed up standing next to Muu (Kabuto using Muu to speak with Madara), Kabuto actually explained how he knew Madara's secrets and mentioned OROCHIMARU, yet Madara never asked who Oro was (Kabuto said he learnt everything from Oro's research yet Madara wasn't curious), as if he already knew him.

is Orichimaru up to something ?? i agree, wouldn't be Oro if he wasn't up to something.

but i seriously disagree with this statement:
"Susanoo and 9 tails combination, as a sign of their friendship fully reborn", Naruto and Sasuke won't get along, and there will be a final fight to the death.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

You forget Karin is also fanatically in love with Sasuke do you remember the time when it showed Karin in her jail cell she was all like "I HATE YOU YOU BA*TARD!!!!" then she was all like "But I love you so much <3" then she just kept on repeating that over and over again.

Other than that part I agree

 

[Lucidus]

i agree with you apart from the karin bit... but orochimaru might use this to his advantage.. and after taking over sasukes body after sasuke is weak.. have karin believe that it is still sasuke and have her heal him or something like that

i hope this is true because it just doesnt seem right for orochimaru to be a good guy

 

[sagemode07]

I don't exactly agree (Maybe I just don't want it to happen) but this is a relly good theory and wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

+ Oro can't control Hashirama anymore, and I doubt he can control BM Minato.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

From what I've seen Oro is Sasuke's #1 cheerleader now

 

[FearxDeath]

To me this thread resembles diarrhea, as in it is watery and has no substance. Here is why, you start off by making the claim that Orochimaru would be Sasuke's Rival or Nemisis as oppose to Madara, so after such a bold claim I expected some type of proof. Instead I get:

1) You telling us how Orochimaru got a power up by getting his arms back and a zetsu body, which makes him stronger no doubt, but has nothing to do AT ALL with your bold assertion. (Non-Related)

2) You then go on to talk about how you think Madara and Orochimaru may have met each other a long time ago, you validate this question by asking how Orochimaru and Kabuto got Madara's body.. Which the answer would simply be "Obito gave it to them" Also if your implying that they are working together... then how come they are not working together? (Conjecture)

3) This is basically you saying why you think Orochimaru is helping Sasuke, your main reason being that you think he is waiting for a chance to take Sasuke's body... We already knew this? Even when Sasuke ressurected him he said that he still wanted Sasuke's body but was just too weak to take it at the moment. [

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] But again this has nothing to do with your bold assertion it is simply an unrelated fact that you pose to give the illusion of credibility. (Non-Related)

4) "what if Karin is really only pretending to be in love with Sasuke."... Im not even going to read this paragraph any further. (Conjecture)

5) "So Oro gets the Four Hokage under his control, some of the most powerful ninja of all time, and he isn't going to use them for his own self gain." In the scan I am going to hyperlink we will see that Orochimaru cannot restrain Hashirama, which means the instant he does try something he will have to fight Hashirama, who he will lose to. It doesnt make sense for him to risk something like that for what? Use the 4 Kages to rob a bank? It makes no sense...[

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] (Conjecture)

6) "Final Thoughts" Everything under this heading was... idk.

I dont want to come off as bashing you, and I cant say this is impossible because ofcourse anything is possible. The the chances of this happening is obviously highly unlikely. Here are a few questions:

• Why would Orochimaru go for Sasuke's body in the middle of a fight like this? Sasuke and Suigestu both ackowledged that the only reason Sasuke defeated Orochimaru in the first place was because he was in such a weak condition. Now that he has Hashirama DNA, both arms back, and knowledge gained from Kabuto why in the world wouldnt he bide his time until he can get into a one on one fight with Sasuke and simply overpower him.
• Why would Orochimaru give up a Hashirama body? He already has a Senju Body, why not just go for Sasuke's eyes instead of his body. And if were splitting straws here why doesnt he just go for some other eyes. Obito's, Madara's Rinnegan, etc..
• You assume Tobirama and Hashirama will be defeated so easily, Orochimaru already cannot control Hashirama and since Tobirama knows the seal to Edo Tensie he can break it the same way Madara did. But lets imagine he did control them, even then it would be Orochimaru and the 4 Edo Kages vs Naruto, Team 7, All other Konoha Teams, 5 Kages, and the Shinobi Alliance.

It just doesnt seem likely at all.

 

[sgt]

oro turning his back on the Alliance will be too much of a plot suddenly. He's changed and he's gonna follow sasuke from now on, if not with this i agree: he will try to take over his body again. But i dont see him using edo tensei to turn them against the Alliance. Also from what i have seen Hashirama can break the controle. Orochimaru stated that hashirama broke his controle without any effort at all. And even if that will happen we all know sasuke will stop him, let alone naruto .

would be a nice twist but he just changed drastictly compared in arc 1 and now. As i've said: too much of a plot for 1 guy alone.

 

[saw2097]

To me this thread resembles diarrhea, as in it is watery and has no substance. Here is why, you start off by making the claim that Orochimaru would be Sasuke's Rival or Nemisis as oppose to Madara, so after such a bold claim I expected some type of proof. Instead I get:

1) You telling us how Orochimaru got a power up by getting his arms back and a zetsu body, which makes him stronger no doubt, but has nothing to do AT ALL with your bold assertion. (Non-Related)

2) You then go on to talk about how you think Madara and Orochimaru may have met each other a long time ago, you validate this question by asking how Orochimaru and Kabuto got Madara's body.. Which the answer would simply be "Obito gave it to them" Also if your implying that they are working together... then how come they are not working together? (Conjecture)

3) This is basically you saying why you think Orochimaru is helping Sasuke, your main reason being that you think he is waiting for a chance to take Sasuke's body... We already knew this? Even when Sasuke ressurected him he said that he still wanted Sasuke's body but was just too weak to take it at the moment. [

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] But again this has nothing to do with your bold assertion it is simply an unrelated fact that you pose to give the illusion of credibility. (Non-Related)

4) "what if Karin is really only pretending to be in love with Sasuke."... Im not even going to read this paragraph any further. (Conjecture)

5) "So Oro gets the Four Hokage under his control, some of the most powerful ninja of all time, and he isn't going to use them for his own self gain." In the scan I am going to hyperlink we will see that Orochimaru cannot restrain Hashirama, which means the instant he does try something he will have to fight Hashirama, who he will lose to. It doesnt make sense for him to risk something like that for what? Use the 4 Kages to rob a bank? It makes no sense...[

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] (Conjecture)

6) "Final Thoughts" Everything under this heading was... idk.

I dont want to come off as bashing you, and I cant say this is impossible because ofcourse anything is possible. The the chances of this happening is obviously highly unlikely. Here are a few questions:

• Why would Orochimaru go for Sasuke's body in the middle of a fight like this? Sasuke and Suigestu both ackowledged that the only reason Sasuke defeated Orochimaru in the first place was because he was in such a weak condition. Now that he has Hashirama DNA, both arms back, and knowledge gained from Kabuto why in the world wouldnt he bide his time until he can get into a one on one fight with Sasuke and simply overpower him.
• Why would Orochimaru give up a Hashirama body? He already has a Senju Body, why not just go for Sasuke's eyes instead of his body. And if were splitting straws here why doesnt he just go for some other eyes. Obito's, Madara's Rinnegan, etc..
• You assume Tobirama and Hashirama will be defeated so easily, Orochimaru already cannot control Hashirama and since Tobirama knows the seal to Edo Tensie he can break it the same way Madara did. But lets imagine he did control them, even then it would be Orochimaru and the 4 Edo Kages vs Naruto, Team 7, All other Konoha Teams, 5 Kages, and the Shinobi Alliance.

It just doesnt seem likely at all.

That was rude. I don't mind when people disagree and I enjoy debating and I enjoy constructive criticism but that was just rude.

1. Obito didn't give them the body, he demanded to know where Kabuto got it from. Or have you forgotten that Kabuto used it to blackmail Obito originally.

2. Orochimaru clearly said he would use them to destroy the village if Sasuke wanted to do that, so clearly he knows what he is doing and can turn them against the Alliance if he should choose to.

He probably has contingencies for Hashirama.

3. I never said he would go for Sasuke's body in the middle of a fight, he would wait until the war is over.

4. Of course he isn't helping Obito, but Kabuto remarked that Orochimaru had something to do with Madara's Senju DNA enhancements, he probably only did it so he could learn more about Senju DNA and the Sharingan. Kabuto implied this shortly after Madara was resurrected.

Honestly your post is unnecessarily rude and childish so I will not debate with you further.

Read the above posters if you want to learn how to properly debate with someone, they disagree and debate while maintaining a polite attitude.

 

[FearxDeath]

That was rude. I don't mind when people disagree and I enjoy debating and I enjoy constructive criticism but that was just rude.

1. Obito didn't give them the body, he demanded to know where Kabuto got it from. Or have you forgotten that Kabuto used it to blackmail Obito originally.

2. Orochimaru clearly said he would use them to destroy the village if Sasuke wanted to do that, so clearly he knows what he is doing and can turn them against the Alliance if he should choose to.

He probably has contingencies for Hashirama.

3. I never said he would go for Sasuke's body in the middle of a fight, he would wait until the war is over.

4. Of course he isn't helping Obito, but Kabuto remarked that Orochimaru had something to do with Madara's Senju DNA enhancements, he probably only did it so he could learn more about Senju DNA and the Sharingan. Kabuto implied this shortly after Madara was resurrected.

Honestly your post is unnecessarily rude and childish so I will not debate with you further.

Read the above posters if you want to learn how to properly debate with someone, they disagree and debate while maintaining a polite attitude.

Look im sorry if I came off as an ass. But you have to understand that I really dont care how you feel about me, you being disapointed in me doesnt change how I think. Although I would like you to like me... I think your misunderstanding me being critical of your thread as me being critical of you. I disgress:

1. Obito didn't give them the body, he demanded to know where Kabuto got it from. Or have you forgotten that Kabuto used it to blackmail Obito originally.

Good point, but even if that was the case. You didnt address my 2nd response which was what significance does it serve for Orochimaru to have met Madara? Are they working together secretly? You say this which is interesting, but you do nothing to explain how it relates to the assertion you made at the very start which is why I put (Non-Related) at the end of the response.

2. Orochimaru clearly said he would use them to destroy the village if Sasuke wanted to do that, so clearly he knows what he is doing and can turn them against the Alliance if he should choose to.

Orochimaru said this prior to him realizing that he would have a hard time controlling Tobirama and realizing that he could not control Hashirama, which is pretty obvious but crucial. And again as Madara said, anyone who knows the seal to Edo Tensie would be able to break the seal, which Hashirama and Tobirama both know.

He probably has contingencies for Hashirama.

I qoute a thought made by Orochimaru inwhich he was surprised that Hashirama could break his control and says to himself that he should be carefull. If this was all a ploy and he has contengencies in place. Again you are saying he might have a contengency plan that we dont konw about and therefore it helps your theory. But that is conjecture. Which is why i put (Conjecture).

3. I never said he would go for Sasuke's body in the middle of a fight, he would wait until the war is over.

This is what you said "The third reason he is helping is that he couldn't take Sasuke's body last time, and now he is waiting until Sasuke is injured or weakened enough so he can take it." Now to me the only thing that could injure or weaken Sasuke is a fight, one which he is currently in. I just assumed you were talking about the war. I didnt realize you meant that he would sneak off with the 4 Hokages and wait for Sasuke to be injured in some random fight.

4. Of course he isn't helping Obito, but Kabuto remarked that Orochimaru had something to do with Madara's Senju DNA enhancements, he probably only did it so he could learn more about Senju DNA and the Sharingan. Kabuto implied this shortly after Madara was resurrected.

Can you link me to the scan where this is sad? Doesnt really make sense to take your word for it. Not that I dont have an explanation for what your saying, but it would be nice to have exactly what Kabuto said so I can properly address it.

Lastly, if your mad about what I said I am sorry, perhaps I was a little hard. But that does not change the fact that this thread is fairly bad. In the sense that you make an assertion and give very little supporting evidence.

And as I have attested everything you say is either conjecture or is unrelated to your assertion.