Orochimaru edo

[sage22]

Why are people saying that hashirama and tobirama wasn't at their best when they lost to hiruzen. These are the facts. Oro and kabuto both said orochimaru perfected edo tension. They both recognized hiruzen so you can't say it wasn't them. They both used the jutsu they were famous for (hashirama wood release and tobirama water). So why these senju fans closing their eyes to the truth?

 

[Lrrrrr]

Because people don't realize that Hiruzen is a boss xd

 

[Itachi Sarutobi]

Orochimaru didn't perfect it, Kabuto did.

 

[Tsuki]

If Hashy and the 2nd were moving out of their free will, then they would probably defeat hiruzen.
But that's not the case, they where controlled and orochimaru doesn't know everything about them so he couldn't really use them effectively... and that's how Hiruzen managed to defeat them.

 

[sage22]

If Hashy and the 2nd were moving out of their free will, then they would probably defeat hiruzen.
But that's not the case, they where controlled and orochimaru doesn't know everything about them so he couldn't really use them effectively... and that's how Hiruzen managed to defeat them.

Stfu their is no proof to support that whatsoever.

 

[Ldude]

Yeah, Hiruzen was just a lot stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Which is better; Someone who is not you and not fully aware of your capabilities, using you as a puppet to complete a task or you yourself, in-control of yourself completing said task?

Don't think too hard now, you might have a brain fart.

 

[Stark]

He was controlling them and he was unaware of their full potential. Hiruzen > Hashi anyways.

 

[Yo pappy]

They were at full power, Orochimaru just underestimated Hiruzen is all. Had he taken him seriously earlier on he would have won. I forget what panel it was on, and I'm too lazy to go and get it, but Orochimaru clearly states that he was toying with him.

 

[sage22]

Just like I said people are making claims with no evidence behind it at all.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Just like I said people are making claims with no evidence behind it at all.

What claims?

Are you an idiot?

Is it not obvious that Hashirama and Tobirama were not in-control of themselves?

What kind of logic is there to explain how Hiruzen in his Old Age is better than Hashirama and Tobirama, brothers who have incredible chemistry?

 

[sage22]

What claims?

Are you an idiot?

Is it not obvious that Hashirama and Tobirama were not in-control of themselves?

What kind of logic is there to explain how Hiruzen in his Old Age is better than Hashirama and Tobirama, brothers who have incredible chemistry?

Maybe he is stronger than both of them even in his old age. Like I said nobody can prove that they were not at their beat. It hasn't been hinted at or anything that they were weaker than when they were alive.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Maybe he is stronger than both of them even in his old age. Like I said nobody can prove that they were not at their beat. It hasn't been hinted at or anything that they were weaker than when they were alive.

What do you mean it cannot be proven?

How are they at their best being fully controlled by Orochimaru?

How is two people at their best being controlled by one person?

 

[sage22]

What do you mean it cannot be proven?

How are they at their best being fully controlled by Orochimaru?

How is two people at their best being controlled by one person?

Ima take a guess and say you must be slow. What do you mean how can it be proven. How about giving me a manga page?

 

[Dark Artist]

they were not at their full power and full will

are u kidding me ?

Edo madara who acts like a boss he shits his pants when he remember hashirama

Edo hashirama will be the strongest edo this is for sure if he was in a full power

Orochimaru doesn't has the time to develop it

 

[Dark Artist]

They were at full power, Orochimaru just underestimated Hiruzen is all. Had he taken him seriously earlier on he would have won. I forget what panel it was on, and I'm too lazy to go and get it, but Orochimaru clearly states that he was toying with him.

i agree Oro was toying with the old man

 

[TheRealAkatsukiLeader]

Stfu their is no proof to support that whatsoever.

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[sage22]

they were not at their full power and full will

are u kidding me ?

Edo madara who acts like a boss he shits his pants when he remember hashirama

Edo hashirama will be the strongest edo this is for sure if he was in a full power

Orochimaru doesn't has the time to develop it

That is just ur ASSumption that you have no proof for so bye.

 

[MorphyRulez]

Orochimaru didn't perfect it, Kabuto did.

Tobirama created it, Orochimaru make it perfect. Kabuto improved talismans/controlling. + Kabuto just focused to control edo puppets not fighting while he control like orochimaru.

 

[Simple Math]

they were not at their full power and full will

are u kidding me ?

Edo madara who acts like a boss he shits his pants when he remember hashirama

Edo hashirama will be the strongest edo this is for sure if he was in a full power

Orochimaru doesn't has the time to develop it

no no no you mean oonoki shits his pants when he see madara

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