Orochimaru does NOT have sage mode (Proof)

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MickNerks

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People keep saying orochimaru has sage mode, but this isnt true.

First i would like to say that Orochimaru did find Ryuchi Kingdom, but when he found it he only though of it as a source of jugo's power.
It says here:

Kabuto states that Orochimaru tried to gain the ability that jugo has (that would ultimately turn him into a sage) BUT he couldnt find the right body that could bear the ability to always absorb natural chakra.
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Sasuke said that kabuto is an imperfect snake just like orochimaru, and kabuto corrects him by saying "I am no longer a snake, but with the PERFECT force of sage, i have shed my skin to become a dragon".
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This also shows that sage mode for snakes gives the user a trait of Horns, like Manda has.
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Now that that is explained there is now discussion that orochimaru just absorbed sage mode from kabuto. This to is wrong.

1. Oro release kabuto from sage mode
Look in the bottom right corner and jugo will explain that he only release kabuto from sannin made and took his chakra back

2. Oro took his chakra back from kabuto
All the stuff kabuto put into himself orochimaru took it back
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Other people say orochimaru has the same eyes marks that kabuto has in sage mode. This is also a misconception.
Orochimaru has these marks as a child
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And kabuto had these marks before he entered sage mode, they were just hard to see with his glasses on.
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Kabuto inherited the marks from orochimaru, NOT THE SAGE.

These are all my theories that proved to me that orochimaru doesnt have sage mode. But of course other will be others who disagree with me.
 

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i agree, kabuto lost those marks on t«his eyes because oro took back his own chakra from kabuto, thus removing the marks around kabuto's eyes.
 

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hahahaha you should fight megadjking till death:D
I found it hilarious that we made opposing post at the exact same time.lol

i agree, kabuto lost those marks on t«his eyes because oro took back his own chakra from kabuto, thus removing the marks around kabuto's eyes.
More evidence that pople over look.
 

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Great points. I wasn't sure, but you've pretty much swayed me. +Rep
Thanks, and im glad i could help.

agreed but oro is badass w/out sage mode
YES HE IS.. I love oro, he in my opinion is the best villain in the manga.. He's back and he doesnt care about the war, which makes me wonder woses side he is on.
 

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I think he does because he absorbed all of his chakra from Kabuto and that was mixed with sage chakra, if he couldnt use sage mode he would be stone right now.
 

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I think he does because he absorbed all of his chakra from Kabuto and that was mixed with sage chakra, if he couldnt use sage mode he would be stone right now.
Re-read the manga.. Jugo said that he released sage mode first and then he absorbed his chakra from kabuto.. He didnt just absorbed everything.
 

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Btw...a good thread. +rep.

I agree with everything in it except that Oro didn't have sage mode. xd

For starters, there's this. How do you explain this scan?
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Oro said that he had Senjutsu chakra at the time he gave Anko her curse seal.

Secondly, (the one here at the Base) was very poorly translated. Here's a proper/clear translation of that chapter. You can check the official and viz translations and you'll find that they'll basically say the same things as this one:
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Chapter 579: The Brothers Fight United!!

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Kabuto: An egghead like me isn't really used to being stared at like this...
Itachi: ...
Sasuke: Trying to guard against genjutsu, huh...?

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Itachi: The way those snakes are moving... They can sense us.
Sasuke: Snakes can sense body temperature, and they can smell using their tongue to pass scents into their mouth.
Itachi: You've done your homework... You're like an expert on snakes.
Sasuke: I did a lot of research in order to defeat Orochimaru.
Kabuto: But a mere expert on snakes can't defeat me! This is my field. Nature itself is my ally.
Sasuke: ? (The snakes are getting bigger?)
Itachi: You mean you have the locational advantage? Stay alert, Sasuke. There could be traps.
Kabuto: ...Traps? ...Don't insult me.

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No text

6-7
Kabuto: So that's Susano-o!
Itachi: You're being too rough, Sasuke! I told you not to kill him, remember?
Sasuke: He's gained Orochimaru's power. He won't die that easily!
Itachi: Sasuke!
Sasuke: The hood, right!?

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Sasuke: !!
Itachi: !!

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No text

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Sasuke: You're taking the egghead thing too far. First you hide your face, and now you're completely hiding away like a shut-in?
Itachi: ...
Sasuke: Is shedding your skin and running away all you're going to do? Implanting Orochimaru's remains into your body just made you a weaker version of him.
Kabuto: Sasuke-kun... It appears you're underestimating me. Well... It's true that bounty in the bingo book was less than yours. And it was nothing compared to Orochimaru-sama's.
Sasuke: ... Right. Even you should know you can't hide from me.

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Itachi: Be careful, Sasuke. His chakra is all over the place. We don't know which one is the real Kabuto.
Kabuto: This is an ability to liquify my body. It uses bodily fluids to break the body down... That's why it looks like I'm shedding my skin. This is a technique I created from studying and applying the Houzuki clan's transformation abilities. You know what I'm referring to don't you? It's Suigetsu. He can transform from a person into water and from water into a person. Along with that, I have incredible recovery power... Although this power was originally a recovery technique I gained from studying that woman from the Uzumaki clan...

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Kabuto: Your good friend Karin.
Sasuke: ...Karin's from the Uzumaki clan?
Kabuto: Those who inherit the blood of the Uzumaki clan typically have red hair... And they have incredible vitality as well. Now... I'm sure by now you must be curious about your last teammate... Well... he's not really your teammate anymore, is he?
Sasuke: ...
Kabuto: At any rate, it was very astute of you to choose those three.

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Sasuke: ...?
Kabuto: In the world of ninja, those without talent are denied their very existence. But if you have no talent, all you need to do is steal it from those who do and make it your own.
Sasuke: ...So you're saying you have Juugo's abilities as well? Do you have Orochimaru's curse seal?
Kabuto: No... That is a mere affectation. The power itself can be learned by training one's body... At Ryuuchidou, that is.
Itachi: Ryuuchidou!? It couldn't be...!
Kabuto: That's right! I found it! The place of legend, often spoken of along with Myoubokuzan and Shikkotsurin! Orochimaru-sama wasn't the only one to make it there. I did too!

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Kabuto: I trained under the White Snake Sage, and mastered it! Finally, I have surpassed Orochimaru-sama!

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Itachi: Sasuke, stay calm!
Sasuke: ...
Itachi: ...?

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Kabuto: Tsk, tsk.
Sasuke: He dodged... The arrow!?
Kabuto: My perceptual ability is far greater than it was before... Natural energy has become my ally.

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Itachi: Natural energy... (I knew it. He's...)
Kabuto: Listen carefully... Juugo's clan possessed special bodies that absorbed natural energy. That's the secret behind why he went berserk... Why he would suddenly become stronger and more violent. Apparently, what Orochimaru-sama truly had his eyes fixed on was not the form Juugo took when he went berserk... But the origin of his clan's power. And finally, he located the source of that power... It was Ryuuchidou. Orcohimaru-sama immediately began experimenting to try to use that power... However, he still did not have a body capable of withstanding that power. That's why...
Sasuke: !?
Itachi: !?

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Kabuto: Not even he could become a perfect Sage like me!
Itachi: I see... I was right...
Kabuto: The power of Sage Mode...

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Sasuke: You're the same as Orochimaru. You're a failure of a snake!
Kabuto: I'd hoped that you, our snake expert, would understand... I am no longer a snake... The perfected power of a Sage has shed my snake skin...
Itachi: !
Kabuto: And transformed me into a dragon!! Senpou: Hakugeki no Jutsu!!! (Sage Art: White Extreme)
Oro was a sage, but he didn't master senjutsu. Just like Jiraiya. Jiraiya wasn't a perfect/true sage either but he could use sage mode. Naruto on the other surpassed Jiraiya by mastering Senjutsu and is thus a perfect/true sage. Its the same story with Oro and Kabuto. Kabuto surpassed Oro by becoming a perfect/true sage.

Thirdly...Why Orochimaru needed a suitable body for sage mode:

Everyone knows that using Sage mode has its issues when it comes to a real fight. Normally one needs to be completely dead still to absorb Nature energy. Thats normally Sage mode's weakness. Since you cant always sit still in a heated battle.

Jiraiya solved this "sitting still" problem by having Fukasaku and his wife absorb nature energy for him while he moved around freely in his fights. Naruto uses his clones. Of course, Oro and Kabuto obviously also faced this problem. And Oro discovered that Jugo's clan seems to absorb Nature energy without "sitting still". Kabuto used Oro's idea andsolved this problem by acquiring Jugo's abilty to absorb nature energy while moving. Thats why Kabuto incorporated Jugo's ability into himself. Oro was gonna do the same thing but first he had to find a body that was compatible with Jugo's ability. Surviving the curse seal equals compatibility.

The point is that Oro didn't need a compatible body [Sasuke] for Sage Mode itself(i.e. molding Senjutsu chakra). He needed it to acquire Jugo's ability which would allow him to absorb Nature energy without sitting still.
 
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