Orochimaru and his overlooked jutsu?

[Nattana]

The point of this thread is to discuss what exactly happened during Kakashi vs Orochimaru 'fight'.

After some pages of talking, it all came down to this. Kakashi tried to take on Orochimaru and was convinced he could at least compete with him.

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But what happens next? Take a closer look on the second scan here. Kakashi looks terrified and sees his head getting cut off.

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What's interesting is that we get to see them strange 'star-like' things (I don't know how to call it) on Kakashi's face not on 1, but on 2 panels. From what I know, they mean 'action' in manga. They mean that something has happened.
Let's take a look here to prove it.

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Same 'star-like' thing near Hashirama's face. We know he thought he killed Madara, but eventually he didn't. So here we had some hidden action as well, that caused Hashirama to make a wrong conclusion. Was it a.. Genjutsu?

So, getting back to Orochimaru. I believe that what he did there with Kakashi, was putting him under Genjutsu and traumatize him so badly, that he went from 'I'll take on you and kill you' to 'How can I even compete with him', even though it might've looked as if Orochimaru hadn't done anything in the meantime back then.

I want to start a discussion about that, because I cannot be sure that it surely was a Genjutsu. But databook gives Oro 5 points in that area.
But anyway, whatever it was, Orochimaru managed to break Kakashi's will and make him tremble in fear in a mere second with something, without even looking at him or making any hand seals.

Hope you enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to your feedback.

 

[paratise]

İt is possibly a genjutsu, nice catch.

Kakashi is not someone who would scare himself by thinking such possibility, he is generally calm and collected and does not seem like he would think of something like getting his head chopped off, especially around someone(Sasuke) he needs to protect.

 

[Nikes]

Yeah very possible.

I have joined your opinion. Orochimaru is the mysterious character so it makes sense he has hidden things.

 

[Shura]

It's called ''Killing Intent''.

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Orochimaru did the same thing on Sakura and Sasuke.

 

[Nikes]

It's called ''Killing Intent''.

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Orochimaru did the same thing on Sakura and Sasuke.

Let's just stick with genjutsu. After all, that is from a wiki.

 

[Nattana]

It's called ''Killing Intent''.

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Orochimaru did the same thing on Sakura and Sasuke.

Was it mentioned in any Databook? It's interesting what you posted, I'd like to know more about that.

 

[Shura]

Let's just stick with genjutsu. After all, that is from a wiki.

Nah, it was already used in canon by Orochimaru against Sakura and Sasuke. It's some kind of ability to release killing intent in order to make your enemy imagine their deaths so that they could possibly be paralyzed with fear. I'm not really sure if you could use that in a debate though. It may work on some characters, but I doubt it would work on arrogant characters like Deidara or Hidan for an example.

Was it mentioned in any Databook? It's interesting what you posted, I'd like to know more about that.

I'm not sure. I just know that it has been shown in the manga. Orochimaru used it against Sakura and Sasuke, and I remember that someone used it in Kakashi's and Zabuza's first battle. I'm not sure if it was Zabuza or Kakashi who used it tho'. >_>

EDIT: Here are the pages;

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[GreyWizard93]

Someone made the same idea thread a few months back and again ill agree.

Kishi has meaning for alot of things, significantly big or really small like these diamonds/sparkles.

 

[Nattana]

Nah, it was already used in canon by Orochimaru against Sakura and Sasuke. It's some kind of ability to release killing intent in order to make your enemy imagine their deaths so that they could possibly be paralyzed with fear. I'm not really sure if you could use that in a debate though. It may work on some characters, but I doubt it would work on arrogant characters like Deidara or Hidan for an example.

Well, I looked at that chapter when it was used on Sakura and Sasuke. But for now, the only proof that it wasn't Genjutsu are some words used by Genin Sasuke. He needed to release his special brain chakra (stated by Tobirama) to even move. Sakura couldn't do anything.
Well, I'm not trying to convince people that it was in fact a Genjutsu. Maybe it wasn't - we don't know. But still, it's something remarkable.

 

[Shura]

Well, I looked at that chapter when it was used on Sakura and Sasuke. But for now, the only proof that it wasn't Genjutsu are some words used by Genin Sasuke. He needed to release his special brain chakra (stated by Tobirama) to even move. Sakura couldn't do anything.
Well, I'm not trying to convince people that it was in fact a Genjutsu. It maybe wasn't. But still, it's something remarkable.

If you want a 1shot worthy technique of Oro, you should have just brought up Gogyō Fūin;

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That shit is 1shot worthy. One touch and Oro can block his enemy's Chakra flow, hurr durr.

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[edo x edo]

It's just the same thing he did to team 7 during the chuunin examn where they all froze in terror and coulnd't do a thing, he showed the true difference in power between them and that set kakashi off

 

[Nattana]

If you want a 1shot worthy technique of Oro, you should have just brought up Gogyō Fūin;

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That shit is 1shot worthy. One touch and Oro can block his enemy's Chakra flow, hurr durr.

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Well I never considered that one overlooked. Orochimaru's skill in Fuinjutsu is exceptional. I'm not afraid to compare him to Minato in that area.

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And about that technique. I'm kinda sceptical about it being Killing Intent. Orochimaru didn't want to kill Kakashi. In fact, he was laughing at him, so there was no anger and strong emotions to cause so-called Killing Intent.
It's hard to what exactly it was, since we've almost no information on that jutsu. Tbh I'm personally leaning toward it being a Genjutsu, but I'd like to know your opinion ofc.

And how would you even rank it? I mean, it's power and usage among other Oro's skills and jutsu?

 

[roncato]

It's called ''Killing Intent''.

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Orochimaru did the same thing on Sakura and Sasuke.

Yep, I agree.

P.S maybe he just raised his chakra or sth like that :x

 

[Shura]

Well I never considered that one overlooked. Orochimaru's skill in Fuinjutsu is exceptional. I'm not afraid to compare him to Minato in that area.

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And about that technique. I'm kinda sceptical about it being Killing Intent. Orochimaru didn't want to kill Kakashi. In fact, he was laughing at him, so there was no anger and strong emotions to cause so-called Killing Intent.
It's hard to what exactly it was, since we've almost no information on that jutsu. Tbh I'm personally leaning toward it being a Genjutsu, but I'd like to know your opinion ofc.

And how would you even rank it? I mean, it's power and usage among other Oro's skills and jutsu?

In NV, killing intent can easily be produced even when you are smiling or laughing at someone. Just take a look at Hidan, he has the intent to kill every time he goes up against someone, but yet he always has a smile on his face.

As for where I would rank it, well, I wouldn't really put it on the level of Oro's stronger jutsu since killing intent wouldn't probably effect arrogant people like Deidara or people that have enough killing intent as well like Hidan. I also doubt it would affect people who aren't fazed by his opponent having the intent to kill at all like Itachi, Sasori, Nagato and some more.

 

[dms_kakashi]

kakashi always overrates his opponents. he is always scared like shit like in zabuza or sasuke sussano fight

 

[Nattana]

In NV, killing intent can easily be produced even when you are smiling or laughing at someone. Just take a look at Hidan, he has the intent to kill every time he goes up against someone, but yet he always has a smile on his face.

As for where I would rank it, well, I wouldn't really put it on the level of Oro's stronger jutsu since killing intent wouldn't probably effect arrogant people like Deidara or people that have enough killing intent as well like Hidan. I also doubt it would affect people who aren't fazed by his opponent having the intent to kill at all like Itachi, Sasori, Nagato and some more.

Well, I remember Deidara being kinda scared when Sasuke was outspeeding him. Wasn't it a vision of defeat that made him use more complex jutsu?
A vision of getting your head cut off is kinda scary I'd say (well, maybe not to Hidan xD). I still don't know how to rank it, but I wouldn't neglect its usage in normal scenerio.

 

[Shura]

Well, I remember Deidara being kinda scared when Sasuke was outspeeding him. Wasn't it a vision of defeat that made him use more complex jutsu?
A vision of getting your head cut off is kinda scary I'd say (well, maybe not to Hidan xD). I still don't know how to rank it, but I wouldn't neglect its usage in normal scenerio.

Nah, Deidara was surprised by his speed. If Oro or someone tried to use killing intent on that suicidal bastard, I'm pretty sure he would take that like Oro is saying ''I'm better than you.'' so that would only piss him off. >_>

 

[Nattana]

Nah, Deidara was surprised by his speed. If Oro or someone tried to use killing intent on that suicidal bastard, I'm pretty sure he would take that like Oro is saying ''I'm better than you.'' so that would only piss him off. >_>

Well, maybe you're right about Deidara He's crazy and not afraid to commit suicide. But against 'normal' characters? I think it might be really deadly.

 

[Europa]

Nah, Deidara was surprised by his speed. If Oro or someone tried to use killing intent on that suicidal bastard, I'm pretty sure he would take that like Oro is saying ''I'm better than you.'' so that would only piss him off. >_>

You sure do mention Deidara a lot.

 

[Nattana]

You sure do mention Deidara a lot.

Well, I believe it's his favourite character ^.^