[Discussion] Orochimaru and his behavior

[Kαmi]

So this is a 2-part thread about with Orochimaru.

1st: When it comes to the villain aspect, Orochimaru has always been my favorite. His sadistic and twist nature is something I've taken a liking too as a villain. Seems kinda odd that he's just on the sidelines right now, not doing much of anything while just going along with Sasuke in order to see where his path will go. But at some point, Orochimaru will realize what Sasuke is truly after and what he desires. I've always felt like after this point, Orochimaru will lose interest in Sasuke's path and then make his move. Basically what I'm getting at for the first part is this:Do you guys think Orochimaru will eventually become a problem again? He says upon his resurrection that he still wants Sasuke's body despite seeming to have full intel on the war and knowing that Madara was alive. Maybe he'll go after Madara but I doubt it.

2nd: A lot of times people joke about Orochimaru being a pedo and I can see why of course. He does kinda give off that pedo vibe with some of his actions but my point is this: Do you think Kishi purposely portrays to be a pedo? I really doubt he does cause it seems like such an odd thing to do but with the whole kidnapping children, experimenting on children, wanting children's body, and that cover with his tongue around Sasuke?

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Seems kinda fishy to me...

The bold are the two main points if you don't feel like reading it. Answer in the poll what you think and discuss why you feel that way. I'm truly on the fence with both of these topics so I wouldn't mind some convincing answers :yeah:

 

[Sir Blades]

I dont even need to read. Orochimaru can do anything to my body. He is BOSS.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

So far my mind set has been the same as Kishi's...I think Orochimaru purpose is to see how far Sasuke power goes.
Then he'll actually follow sasuke instead of the other way around.
He won't steal his body.

I mean why would Orochi plain out tell Sasuke he's gonna take his body? Why didn't he lie like before?
He straight out told them everything...he even saw sasuke and itachi vs kabuto.

That's not his plan.
Neither is Sasuke plan to kill Naruto. Possibly though..gotta check back for a few things. ​

 

[Kαmi]

I dont even need to read. Orochimaru can do anything to my body. He is BOSS.

You're a brave man. He might put snakes in my body like he threatened Suigetsu and Karin O_O

So far my mind set has been the same as Kishi's...I think Orochimaru purpose is to see how far Sasuke power goes.
Then he'll actually follow sasuke instead of the other way around.
He won't steal his body.

I mean why would Orochi plain out tell Sasuke he's gonna take his body? Why didn't he lie like before?
He straight out told them everything...he even saw sasuke and itachi vs kabuto.

That's not his plan.
Neither is Sasuke plan to kill Naruto. Possibly though..gotta check back for a few things. ​

Orochimaru never lied to Sasuke before. He said that he'd take Sasuke's body. Sasuke even tells Naruto in the first meeting in part 2 that he doesn't care if Orochimaru takes his body, as long as he has his revenge, he'll be satisfied. So that's not the best excuse here. Also, I feel like once he sees Sasuke's path and lets him unlock his potential, he'll take his body. Maybe Orochimaru feels like he can't unlock Sasuke's potential himself so he prefers Sasuke to do it.

I don't think Sasuke plans on killing Naruto, not if he plans on being Hokage at least.

 

[UchihaKira]

I guess plot-wise it just depends how much more Kishi wants to prolong the story. If he wants to end it quickly, Oro could stay by Sasukes side, if not he could do his own thing.

Logically, and from a story point of view and not a writers point of view, yes I think Oro would eventually do his own thing and become a problem again.

 

[BlacLord™]

I take it this is a 'forlulz' thread?

 

[Kαmi]

I guess plot-wise it just depends how much more Kishi wants to prolong the story. If he wants to end it quickly, Oro could stay by Sasukes side, if not he could do his own thing.

Logically, and from a story point of view and not a writers point of view, yes I think Oro would eventually do his own thing and become a problem again.

That's the way I see it too. Reason why I think Orochimaru will become a problem again is because it seems really odd that Orochimaru will stay in the picture when he's done so much harm to Konoha and others. He's done explicably terrible to things to people, just seems odd for him to be on Sasuke's side when everything is all said and done.

I take it this is a 'forlulz' thread?

hmm, what gave you that impression?

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

You're a brave man. He might put snakes in my body like he threatened Suigetsu and Karin O_O

Orochimaru never lied to Sasuke before ​

. He said that he'd take Sasuke's body. Sasuke even tells Naruto in the first meeting in part 2 that he doesn't care if Orochimaru takes his body, as long as he has his revenge, he'll be satisfied. So that's not the best excuse here. Also, I feel like once he sees Sasuke's path and lets him unlock his potential, he'll take his body. Maybe Orochimaru feels like he can't unlock Sasuke's potential himself so he prefers Sasuke to do it.

I don't think Sasuke plans on killing Naruto, not if he plans on being Hokage at least.

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He lied.
Sauske already got his revenge, so Orochimaru isn't going to take his body.
Orochimaru will be dead...it'll be a fast kill like Itachi when he gets his full power.

He can kill Naruto and still become Hokage...Naruto is going to die as the looks of it anyways...and then Sasuke will go on a rampage and at the end they'll acknowledge him...then hokage. That's off the top of my head idea though. ​

 

[UchihaKira]

That's the way I see it too. Reason why I think Orochimaru will become a problem again is because it seems really odd that Orochimaru will stay in the picture when he's done so much harm to Konoha and others. He's done explicably terrible to things to people, just seems odd for him to be on Sasuke's side when everything is all said and done.

hmm, what gave you that impression?

Completely agree, I mean killing a hokage no one likes anyway is one thing (especially when you help save everyone in a war afterwards), but launching a full blown assault on konoha, killing a hokage everyone loves, and experimenting on countless people (probably many of them being konoha villagers becore his departure) is a whole nother thing. I dont see his redemption happening unless Kishi just runs out of ink... which is very possible.

 

[BlacLord™]

That's the way I see it too. Reason why I think Orochimaru will become a problem again is because it seems really odd that Orochimaru will stay in the picture when he's done so much harm to Konoha and others. He's done explicably terrible to things to people, just seems odd for him to be on Sasuke's side when everything is all said and done.


hmm, what gave you that impression?

The bolded in your OP.

Orochimaru will just slither off back into hiding and continue his research.

The Paedophilia idea is just absurd considering the main target audience is kids.

 

[Kαmi]

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He lied.
Sauske already got his revenge, so Orochimaru isn't going to take his body.
Orochimaru will be dead...it'll be a fast kill like Itachi when he gets his full power.

He can kill Naruto and still become Hokage...Naruto is going to die as the looks of it anyways...and then Sasuke will go on a rampage and at the end they'll acknowledge him...then hokage. That's off the top of my head idea though. ​

But what did Oro lie about? Manipulation does not always equal lying. Orochimaru didn't seem the least bit surprised when hearing the news about Itachi killing the Uchiha clan for the sake of the village. I think Orochimaru knew the whole time and maybe that's where the manipulation comes into play, not telling Sasuke that fact. Sasuke always knew Oro wanted him for his body though.

And Orochimaru could wait til Sasuke is weakened which is very likely he would be weakened after the war when Madara is done with.

Completely agree, I mean killing a hokage no one likes anyway is one thing (especially when you help save everyone in a war afterwards), but launching a full blown assault on konoha, killing a hokage everyone loves, and experimenting on countless people (probably many of them being konoha villagers becore his departure) is a whole nother thing. I dont see his redemption happening unless Kishi just runs out of ink... which is very possible.

Exactly what I'm saying. Redemption just seems so unlikely to kinda disappointed Lol

The bolded in your OP.

Orochimaru will just slither off back into hiding and continue his research.

The Paedophilia idea is just absurd considering the main target audience is kids.

But his research could potentially endanger other people, him wanting to learn every jutsu and technique and history of the world? That could be a huge problem for someone who also wants to discover immortality, don't you think?

And that may be true, but I guess I feel like Kishi takes it too far sometimes. That's why I said it would be an extremely odd thing for Kishi to do but those actions are still there. I understand he does it mostly to give Orochimaru that villain aspect that he had but still, a cover where Orochimaru has his tongue around Sasuke? Kind of strange to me man.

 

[HiddenSound]

I have no idea on both questions :I

 

[Kαmi]

I have no idea on both questions :I

Me and you both my friend :/

Polls say that more people think Orochimaru will become a problem again than not while more people feel like Kishi does not purposely potray that pedo aspect of Orochimaru. Then again, only 5 people voted so that doesn't say much Lol

 

[omarsen]

I think he would, it would be such a waste if he doesn't return as a villian to the story again, despite him being the central antagonist for the majority of the series during part1.


This persona of him make him very interesting, a maniac, sane, genius and a very strong character.

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And about the pedo thing, he did expirment on kids including Yamato. For kishimoto to include the "pedo thing" is only logical to tell kids to avoid pedo's lol.

Edit: so ya i agree on both points, and btw nice thread

 

[HiddenSound]

Me and you both my friend :/

Polls say that more people think Orochimaru will become a problem again than not while more people feel like Kishi does not purposely potray that pedo aspect of Orochimaru. Then again, only 5 people voted so that doesn't say much Lol

I really, really hope he winds up a problem again... Bad sign, what he said to Tsunade about himself and Jiraiya. Good sign, he still cares for his experiments.

 

[Kαmi]

I think he would, it would be such a waste if he doesn't return as a villian to the story again, despite him being the central antagonist for the majority of the series during part1.


This persona of him make him very interesting, a maniac, sane, genius and a very strong character.

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And about the pedo thing, he did expirment on kids including Yamato. For kishimoto to include the "pedo thing" is only logical to tell kids to avoid pedo's lol.

Edit: so ya i agree on both points, and btw nice thread

Indeed, I can tell you can see where I'm coming with this. Playing such a huge villain role in part 1 and then just living happily ever after with Sasuke and company while he does his research? Seems unlikely.

I agree, Orochimaru is a great and ingenious character designed by Kishi. He's such a sick villain with his twisted morals that you can't help but like the guy. Lol I never thought about it like that, Kishi could be trying to send that message to kids. It's the only way I could see him purposely portraying to be a pedo. But with all the different little things Oro does with kids, it doesn't seem like it's just some coincidence.

I really, really hope he winds up a problem again... Bad sign, what he said to Tsunade about himself and Jiraiya. Good sign, he still cares for his experiments.

Me too, he plays the villain role the best IMO. I think he was just leading Tsunade on honestly. He didn't seem to imply he was good but more like it's possible for a man to change his ideals and views before they die and it's better for some people to die before it could happen (kinda like Obito if you think about it). He might have been saying otherwise but that's the way I interpreted it. Him caring for his dastardly experiments though and his overall goal, leads me to believe he will be a problem again than not.

 

[BlacLord™]

But his research could potentially endanger other people, him wanting to learn every jutsu and technique and history of the world? That could be a huge problem for someone who also wants to discover immortality, don't you think?

And that may be true, but I guess I feel like Kishi takes it too far sometimes. That's why I said it would be an extremely odd thing for Kishi to do but those actions are still there. I understand he does it mostly to give Orochimaru that villain aspect that he had but still, a cover where Orochimaru has his tongue around Sasuke? Kind of strange to me man.

Orochimaru has been sidelined, the story has a limited lifespan now and whatever happens (or rather won't since everything freezes after Kishimoto stops) doesn't matter. Same thing with Harry Potter, there were still live Death Eaters after Voldemort's death but who cares? The story has finished.

As for the paedophilia, I'll just put it down to your dirty mind, lewl. Oro just wanted Sasuke's body so he could extend his life and get the Sharingan, his interest in Sasuke himself is purely cerebral.

 

[HiddenSound]

Orochimaru just understands the untapped potential in kids and harnesses it before anyone else ( ._.)

 

[Kαmi]

Orochimaru has been sidelined, the story has a limited lifespan now and whatever happens (or rather won't since everything freezes after Kishimoto stops) doesn't matter. Same thing with Harry Potter, there were still live Death Eaters after Voldemort's death but who cares? The story has finished.

As for the paedophilia, I'll just put it down to your dirty mind, lewl. Oro just wanted Sasuke's body so he could extend his life and get the Sharingan, his interest in Sasuke himself is purely cerebral.

You do have a point with the limited time of the manga. But it's up to him on how he does the pacing (which has been rather slow IMO) and whether the plot can progress rapidly enough for another problem to occur. I doubt that would happen but it's just a possibility

Lol Perhaps my mind is too dirty. I know he doesn't plan on raping Sasuke and I doubt Oro has raped any child Lol I just meant the pedo-like behavior.

Orochimaru just understands the untapped potential in kids and harnesses it before anyone else ( ._.)

You know, pedos do the same things the virgins (¬‿¬)

 

[Mr Hiru]

I dont even need to read. Orochimaru can do anything to my body. He is BOSS.

This sounds so wrong... D: