Oro/Jiraiya/Minato > most MS/EMS

[Aznkidd]

He avoided the FTG of Tobirama,he is very fast(solo'd Minato Gaara Kakashi).
Even Gai said"That's why it is a bad idea to fight Madara".
Madara can use Perfect Susanoo,he can stomp with the stinking feet of Susanoo the face of Orochimaru 100 times.
And Orochimaru will look like a paper.
Madara is way too op even in Taijutsu,he solo'd an entire army and Oro wouldn't be able to solo them that easy becuase all of them were Chunin,Jounin,Genin.
Madara without eyes solo'd Naruto and Sasuke.
Even Naruto in taijutsu can't keep up with Madara except if he is in RSM or in Kyuubi Mode becuase his strength and speed increases...
Itachi was able to keep up with Naruto in KCM!
Itachi was sick still he was able to keep up with Sasuke in Taijutsu...
Sasuke was able to keep up with Danzo and he was better in taijutsu than Danzo,Oro wasn't op in Taijutsu...
Itachi Sasuke Madara Obito>all of them that you mentioned(Oro/Minato/Jiraya all day).

Just the first line, we are not talking about madaraXhashi in one body...

 

[Warlocks]

Sound genjutsu, ftg, tri gate, edo tensei, kusanagi push to death, ftg susano sword to susano head.......

lol funny

 

[Shino1584]

Seems like its extremely unknown how these interactions would turn out and you have people on each side on it saying its no contest. I think for this argument you have to exclude a couple things:
1. We can't include DMS Obito as he was never really featured and honestly Kishi made DMS Kamai too OP.
2. Edo Tensei use has to be thrown out as well because Oro could go all Kabuto and again its too OP.

Let's look at known interactions between the listed characters and MS users.

Oro vs. Itachi- Easy win for Itachi, unknown sword to Oro seals him. There could be an argument made that if Oro knew what the sword was, the fight would have went differently though Itachi probably still wins. Also Oro wasn't full strength at the time and couldn't use arms for seals.

Hashi-infused Obito vs. Minato- Minato wins though Obito survives based on Hashi cells. The argument here is that Obito was young at the time and not very skilled though personally I think the addition of Hashi cells evens that disability out. Also if you look at Tobirama vs. Izuna, you can see that FTG is a problem even for MS users.

Quasi-match Jiraiya vs. Madara- This is a big stretch but Jiraiya does go up against Madara's eyes when he fights Pain. Of course this is Rinnegan eyes and not MS so its not a true fight but you can take some elements from it. The main discovery here is that Jiraiya's frog genjutsu can affect a Rinnegan user thus it would affect a MS or EMS user as well since the Rinnegan is the ultimate form of the eye.

I think for this discussion to be fair, you have to assume fully healthy members on both sides and knowledge of the opponents abilities and jutsu.

In the end Susanoo is going to be the biggest factor as I think only Jiraiya could counter it with frog summons. Additionally I think that if he could use frog genjutsu, he might have a shot there as well though it would be a bit of a long shot. Second would be Minato on the hope that maybe he can mark the MS user and utilize FTG to end the match early. I dont really think Oro has a chance mainly because he was beaten by 3 tomoe Sasuke. I dont see any techniques he has short of Edo Tensei that would factor here.

So I would say Jiraiya 65% chance of winning, Minato 25%, and Oro 0%

 

[Mari Makinami]

KA..... Rofl danzo flashback...
Tsukuymoi, röfl cant hit and miss, only work on non moving subject.
Totsuka... Röfl the only thing it hit still walking on earth.
Yata.... Röfl part 3, sound genjutsu, acid air, ftg away....

Röfl comment.

lmao, nice fanfic, kid, try posting it in the right section next time :sdo:

 

[Kinimaster]

Is this that kind of thread when the OP just wants attention?

 

[shelke]

No. All Uchihas are speedsters and have excellent reflexes. I can't see any of them losing even at lower tiers. Even Obito if he is given a few years of experience.

A sasuke fan who I had a small argument with, at the beginning I was bit serious about the debate but then I begun to drag it out to see how far he goes, and there you go.

Amatarsu is the fastest thing in NV.

One of the? Yes. Please, stop being such an insufferable, attention seeking degenerate. You hardly had any arguments, so getting serious? You are really joking, I assume. Everything you said was a brimful of nonsense. Are you really that emotionally hurt that you are bawling this out all over the place?

Yes, Amaterasu tech itself is instant. Just like Sharingan Genjutsu.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

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Please tell me this is a troll thread. Oro/Jiraiya/Minato fodderize the Shins but EMS Madara shits on all threee, MS Madara can probably take both Oro and Jiraiya. MS Itachi takes Jiraiya and Oro(without ET), either way with Minato. MS Sasuke takes Jman and Oro, EMS Sasuke shits all over Oro,Jman and Minato. MS Obito>>Jman, and Oro. at you saying Jiraiya has better Katon than Madara I'd like to see Jman's Juubi sized Katon.

 

[Aznkidd]

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Please tell me this is a troll thread. Oro/Jiraiya/Minato fodderize the Shins but EMS Madara shits on all threee, MS Madara can probably take both Oro and Jiraiya. MS Itachi takes Jiraiya and Oro(without ET), either way with Minato. MS Sasuke takes Jman and Oro, EMS Sasuke shits all over Oro,Jman and Minato. MS Obito>>Jman, and Oro. at you saying Jiraiya has better Katon than Madara I'd like to see Jman's Juubi sized Katon.

This is what we call non-intel debate. Has 0 counter, just .... this one is better than that one... bla bla bla. When you can come up with full intel then post it, otherwise stop.
3T, MS, EMS or ABCD mean nothin when you cant prove.
Also Jiraiya highest katon is to combine wind+fire+toad oil with sage enchanced for a sea heat wave, which is far superior than Madara katon in elements and power.

 

[kiiro]

Minato >> Madara MSE

 

[Venomous Cobra]

No. All Uchihas are speedsters and have excellent reflexes. I can't see any of them losing even at lower tiers. Even Obito if he is given a few years of experience.



One of the? Yes. Please, stop being such an insufferable, attention seeking degenerate. You hardly had any arguments, so getting serious? You are really joking, I assume. Everything you said was a brimful of nonsense. Are you really that emotionally hurt that you are bawling this out all over the place?

Yes, Amaterasu tech itself is instant. Just like Sharingan Genjutsu.

How is/was your argument harmful anyway? the dude asked me about who said the quote and I merely answered him, dunno wtf you're talk about, that argument was pure comedy of which I only entertained myself with, I wanted to to see how far you go with the BS you were spouting and the objective was achieved but for some reason you are here talking about a quote I was telling another person about like little hood thot that lost the way while being drunk, bro hop the **** off and stay cool, if the quote is bothering you that much the I will remove it for you, just no more tears and pitty shit please, damn. You absolutely had nothing correct in that thread, not even one single thing I can think of, so you're really not in position to like as if you had anything.

No, amatarsu isn't even near instant.

 

[BLAZE]

Also Jiraiya highest katon is to combine wind+fire+toad oil with sage enchanced for a sea heat wave, which is far superior than Madara katon in elements and power.

Sometimes bigger guns r enough and when its Juubi sized then more than enough

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[Jugram Haschwalth]

Perfect Susanoo rapes these guys with the exception of Minato via BM.

 

[shelke]

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No, amatarsu isn't even near instant.

Truth hurts, I suppose? No, my argument about you and the debate still stands. You are immature and your repeated attempts at validation from others proves so. Take it whichever way you want.

Amaterasu as a tech itself is instant, as it converges immediately on the point once the kneading process is complete. If you don't understand the mechanics, it isn't my fault. If the chakra kneading is taken into consideration, then no tech is instant. Not a single one.

Also, my cool always remains unruffled. Don't over-use self-flattery.

 

[ARGUS]

Only minato is above the MS users
Orochinaru is a sucker against the sharingan let alone the MS, as shown when itachi shat on him twice within a matter of seconds
He gets crowned by all of them

And Jiraiya gets hit shit kicked in by susanoo

The weakest ms user is sasuke and individually he beats both Jiraiya and oro at their peak

 

[blazekev90]

Can't say I disagree.

MS users can copy their unique abilities=fact.

Those post stating MS/EMS users stomp=invalid. Other than a handicapped Orochimaru being defeated, there's not concrete proof to backup those statements.

 

[Uchihakil]

madaras PS shits on them all at the same time,itachi already negged oro twice and oro admiited infiority,damn man,this is manga fact,and itachi is too slow??? laughable

 

[ARGUS]

Can't say I disagree.

MS users can copy their unique abilities=fact.

Those post stating MS/EMS users stomp=invalid. Other than a handicapped Orochimaru being defeated, there's not concrete proof to backup those statements.

PS wipes them all of the face of the earth
Any EMS user would lol stomp these guys be it with individually or even as a team

No evidence? The manga showed us a clear difference between the EMS users and someone of sannin level
The former can solo gokage all on their own which is a team that far surpasses the sannin as a group let alone be unable to beat these clowns one on one

 

[Great Master Minato]

No MS user is strong enough to beat Minato but EMS is a different story.
BTW Oro & J-man are not in a same tier as Minato.
BM Minato >= EMS users > Base Minato > MS users > Oro & J-man.

 

[blazekev90]

PS wipes them all of the face of the earth
Any EMS user would lol stomp these guys be it with individually or even as a team

No evidence? The manga showed us a clear difference between the EMS users and someone of sannin level
The former can solo gokage all on their own which is a team that far surpasses the sannin as a group let alone be unable to beat these clowns one on one

Gokage=/Minato, Jman or Orochimaru. Therefore, I could careless about your ABC logic.

Yes, the hype the PS never fails. Users with PS tend to possess either the rinnegan or some sort of external factor contributing to this ability. But that's irrelevant, just as the argument itself.

Just as you're able to conclude your opinion based of manga PROTRYAL, I'm able base mine on manga facts. So, this "stomp" you mention remains invalid and idc who disagrees.

 

[~Ethereal~]

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