Original Wielder of Rinnegan possesing mastery over Senjutsu could be epic, maybe

[Naruto.]

Too OP. And Kishi hasn't shown Madara using Rinnegan aside from absorbing Naruto's Rasenshuriken. I hope he shows Madara's full potential.

 

[Bronze]

when madara was an old man,did he had energy or time to practice rinnegan like nagato who had it when he was a kid to the age of 30?
plus obito went to see nagato when he was still in the old akatsuki,and nagato already used unconsciously rinnegan jutsus before he even met obito.he didn't need to learn a thing.he only needed to learn to control his chakra in order to use rinnegan properly a task jiraya have done.
and when he summoned gedo mazo he was still in the old akatsuki too,do you think obito will teach nagato rinnegan jutsus before he joins him?

Why are you listening to your speculation rather than going listening to manga facts. Madara confirms he can use them all even when he was old. Why do you deny that?

 

[htmwall]

Why are you listening to your speculation rather than going listening to manga facts. Madara confirms he can use them all even when he was old. Why do you deny that?

i have never stated that he can't,madara and obito can use all rinnegan jutsus,but they didn't master it to nagato's level.

 

[VongolaX]

Only Nagato has used every Rinnengan tech up to date tho

You must be registered for see images

#Mangaphact

So?

The sage can use inzangi which is also his technique

Nagato can't use that :|

 

[xcoyote]

So?

The sage can use inzangi which is also his technique

Nagato can't use that :|

W/e floats your boat,i do know that you are biased against Nagato so i give up.
Obito is the better Rinnengan user,even tho he has shown just one Rinnengan tech,hurr durr.

 

[VongolaX]

you said it yourself the outer path gedo stakes bound the bijuus to the jinchuurikis,so the power of the binding comes from the gedo mazo not from obito's chakra itself.

Did you not see obito use the outer path stakes on Bee?

That's what I'm posting here

Gedo was transforming, and obito used his stake that complete binded Hachibi.

Nagato's fried up by six tailed naruto.

 

[VongolaX]

W/e floats your boat,i do know that you are biased against Nagato so i give up.
Obito is the better Rinnengan user,even tho he has shown just one Rinnengan tech,hurr durr.

Ya an uchiha that is better in his own clans doujustu.

So you can you can derp whatever little brain cells you have left.
You have no manga proof mr. Baseless.

Nagato wankers

 

[xcoyote]

Ya an uchiha that is better in his own clans doujustu.

So you can you can derp whatever little brain cells you have left.
You have no manga proof mr. Baseless.

Nagato wankers

I do have a dozen of panels with Nagato performing rinnengan techs left and right,so i dont know what you are talking about,clown.

 

[VongolaX]

I do have a dozen of panels with Nagato performing rinnengan techs left and right,so i dont know what you are talking about,clown.

Irrelevant idiot

I want a manga scan saying he is a better rinnegan user.

Obito already stated he can use the rinnegan techniques

Go suck nagato's nuts elsewhere you pathetic wanker.

 

[htmwall]

Did you not see obito use the outer path stakes on Bee?

That's what I'm posting here

Gedo was transforming, and obito used his stake that complete binded Hachibi.

Nagato's fried up by six tailed naruto.

yes i've seen that,gedo was transforming but it was still gedo mazo,madara and obito controlled the incomplete juubi throught the gedo mazo and strengthened the link by using hashirama's DNA.also naruto stated gedo's chakra didn't dissappear until the juubi was revived.

You must be registered for see images

 

[VongolaX]

yes i've seen that,gedo was transforming but it was still gedo mazo,madara and obito controlled the incomplete juubi throught the gedo mazo and strengthened the link by using hashirama's DNA.also naruto stated gedo's chakra didn't dissappear until the juubi was revived.

You must be registered for see images

Alright, I think a used a horrible example because that wasn't what I was looking for...

Let's go back to the first time he used stakes right?

When naruto touch the stakes, he started to get binded and later stated his outer path was stronger right?

Obito's use of the outer path was controlling Gedo/w an additional bijuus....Yet it had enough power to bind naruto just by touching it.

Nagato stabbed naruto with the stake(outer path)and tried to control/bind him up close.

Yet sage mode with demon form naruto overpowered him.

 

[Bronze]

i have never stated that he can't,madara and obito can use all rinnegan jutsus,but they didn't master it to nagato's level.

What you say speculation and not supported by manga facts. Even if we were to say he has more mastery(which he doesn't), this doesn't change the fact that Obito taught him how to do them who was taught by Madara on how to perform Rinnegan techniques.

Not to mention Nagato's power scale of Rinnegan techniques pales to Madara's.

 

[htmwall]

Alright, I think a used a horrible example because that wasn't what I was looking for...

Let's go back to the first time he used stakes right?

When naruto touch the stakes, he started to get binded and later stated his outer path was stronger right?

Obito using use of the outer path was controlling Gedo/w an additional bijuus....Yet it had enough power to bind naruto just by touching it.

Nagato stabbed naruto with the stake(outer path)and tried to control/bind him up close.

Yet sage mode with demon form naruto overpowered him.

it's the same rod that bound son goku right?so as always that stake's binding power comes from gedo mazo.because goku was bound by gedo mazo's power.
obito always used gedo mazo as a medium(power station to strengthen the binding's power),we don't really know the extent of his binding strength using his own chakra.
in the kamui dimention(where he's isolated from the world and gedo mazo) he stabbed kakashi with it but nothing happened he wasn't able to bind him like nagato did with one path(which can't really compare the the binding of the real body close encounter.)

 

[htmwall]

What you say speculation and not supported by manga facts. Even if we were to say he has more mastery(which he doesn't), this doesn't change the fact that Obito taught him how to do them who was taught by Madara on how to perform Rinnegan techniques.

Not to mention Nagato's power scale of Rinnegan techniques pales to Madara's.

there was never a mention in the manga obito taught nagato anything,it's a mere spectaculation from your part,nagato used rinnegan as a kid before even meeting obito and that's a manga fact.

what rinnegan jutsus madara used to ever compare them to nagato's scale?preta path and pretty much that's it.we can't really compare the scale if madara has barely shown any rinnegan jutsus.

 

[Bronze]

there was never a mention in the manga obito taught nagato anything,it's a mere spectaculation from your part,nagato used rinnegan as a kid before even meeting obito and that's a manga fact.

what rinnegan jutsus madara used to ever compare them to nagato's scale?preta path and pretty much that's it.we can't really compare the scale if madara has barely shown any rinnegan jutsus.

Explain how Konan knows about Gedo Mazo when Nagato summoned the first time then?

His meteor is all the proof. Madara used banshon to pull it from space. That alone puts him about Nagato. Now add the fact Madara's powerful chakra > Nagato's, then yes.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Lol are you are still debating about it ? lol

Ok, let's say that Knowledge about use of Rinnegan techniques comes with doujutsu itself.

However it is truth that Nagato has shown the greatest mastery over Rinnegan techniques so far... He simply can use them efficently and know the best way to utilize them.

But, Madara and Both Obito exceeds Nagato in rinnegan techniques's power as proven into manga, mainly due to having Senjuu DNA and Uchiha DNA in one body. Madara even exceeds Obito in power/strength of Rinnegan techniques as awake Rinnegan himself/ is originaly wielder.

In short:

Nagato - Rinnegan techniques's Power + Knowledge about Rinnegan techniques + mastery over use of Rinnegan
Obito - Great Rinnegan's techniques Power + Knowledge about Rinnegan techniques + use of Rinnegan at low level
Madara - The Greatest Rinnegan's techniques power + Knowledge about Rinnegan techniques + use of Rinnegan at low level

Power of Rinnegan techniques: Madara> Obito > Nagato
Knowledge about Rinnegan: Madara=Obito=Nagato
Use of Rinnegan: Nagato >Madara> Obito

Even if Madara and Obito know all Rinnegan techniques and how to perform them... then they still lack effecient use of them and utilizing them in The best way. Nagato has a lot years of expierience with Rinnegan and that why his mastery over use of Rinnegan techniques is beyond them.

I hope it clears up, do you agree ?

 

[Ahmed1993]

even on par with Juubi Jin Obito...

I mean, even Through entire manga of Naruto we have never chance to witness true power of Rinnegan.

I know that now a lot of people will argue and bring Nagato as example, but it is not truth. Let's me explain:

Nagato was great master of borrowed/transplanted Rinnegan with great mastery over so different Rinnegan techniques... but sadly he was not original wielder of Rinnegan as he didn't awake it himself... so he is not legit example for full power of Rinnegan.

Next in line is Obito, who transplanted only one Rinnegan in his eye... and even although he has little to none time to try all Rinnegan techniques, then still his power of Rinnegan technique completly surprass Nagato's power. Reason: Obito has Perfet Senjuu/Uchiha DNA body, it looks like Senjuu DNA enhances Rinnegan techniques as well.

Lastly ,Madara - original wielder of The Rinnegan with Perfect Senju/Uchiha DNA body..., even although he may proved to have bigger power of Rinnegan, then still he has shown just one or two Rinnegan techniques... so he is not legit example as well, at least so far.

We know that To be Original Wielder of Rinnegan/awake it himself/herself one needs to fullfill these requirements:

- have Senjuu and Uchiha DNA
- wait until old days or expierience death feeling...

proof:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

I believe Kishi has done it on purpouse to hide true power of Rinnegan from us... and surprise us in certain moment.

We know that Original Wielder of doujutsu > Wielder of transplanted doujutsu..., so Power and potential of Original wielder of doujutsu is much higher then wielder of Transplanted doujutsu.

Now, I reminds that Senjuu DNA gives quite big boost to all physical stats of body as shown in Madara and Obito's cases... so just imagine Rinnegan techniques boosted by Senjuu DNA used by Original Wielder of Rinnegan.

Epic, would you not say it ?

Now add mastery over Sage mode to it... the result could be amazing and hard to describe. Keep in mind that Sage mode enhances all body and spirit stats but also gives new techniques and improve techniques used in base form.

Proof:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Now I wonder when Will Kishi utilize Senjutsu combined with Rinnegan...

Could be Edo Madara as final threat ?, after gaining SM as final power up we could see that epic power up

Or maybe Kishi saves such great and epic combination for Hagoromo Ootsutsuki himself..., Sage of six paths.

Even his name suggest that he may know Senjutsu, adding his mastery over Rinnegan techniques... he would be truelly unstoppable.

Could Edo Madara with SM= Pre Juubi Jin Rikudou Sennin be enought threat to threaten alliance, getting on par with Juubi Jin Obito... being a little below or maybe even surprass him a bit ?

SM Madara with Rinnegan:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Could mastery over Senjutsu + mastery over Rinnegan will be enough to back up Sage of six paths's hype before he became Juubi Jin ?

Thanks for reading !

Please share your thoughts

Of course he would be a threat , and possibly even stronger than Jin Juubi Obito U_U

 

[VongolaX]

it's the same rod that bound son goku right?so as always that stake's binding power comes from gedo mazo.because goku was bound by gedo mazo's power.
obito always used gedo mazo as a medium(power station to strengthen the binding's power),we don't really know the extent of his binding strength using his own chakra.
in the kamui dimention(where he's isolated from the world and gedo mazo) he stabbed kakashi with it but nothing happened he wasn't able to bind him like nagato did with one path(which can't really compare the the binding of the real body close encounter.)

No the stake is bound to Gedo which uses Obito's power.

You can't use Gedo as a medium, it constantly absorbs your chakra (like it did Nagato )

So you got it the wrong way

 

[KCMNaruto]

He would be baddas and great threat , That should be enough