[Opinion] Why Sasuke is Right, and Why Naruto is Wrong

[narutoblitz]

Sasuke is going to lay this out on Wednesday:

*The Ninja World is messed up due to all the wars, tragedies and needless conflict
*The TB need to die for mankind to live. Their existence has caused men like Obito or Madara to seek their power, it's the cause ofmany wars.
*The current village system created by Hashirama is a failure. It's led to multiple wars
*Naruto cannot change the world
*Naruto has no answer to Pain's question
*Those that believe in Naruto are naive
*The end result of this is the Infinite Tsukyomi. Mankind is on the brink of extinction.

All Sasuke needs to do is look squarely at Hagoromo and say this happened because of you. Hagoromo's family created this fairly ridiculous situations. He allowed his sons to fight for aeons. Killing countless thousands, wrecking their lives in the name of his "justice" and leading the world down the path to war. The Sage of the Six Paths murdered his own brother to get the moon seal (I think this is what will be revealed). He sealed his own mother to cover it up. She didn't talk because she was possessed. (Doesn't this seem odd, that Kaguya was crying and not talking, almost as if she was being forced to fight? Even Naruto thought it was weird...)

The world Hagoromo created is an objective failure. Madara was right. Hashirama stopped just short of admitting he messed up. The resurrected Hokage agreed they had all failed. Tobirama speculated war was inevitable. Naruto has no answers. Naruto is the one being naive. Sasuke's revolution is fully justified, and the Sage of the Six Paths is not a god. Like Madara, he was no Saviour. He's a hypocrite at best that let his own flesh and blood die for his ideals, and at worst a tyrant that is indifferent to mankind becoming white zetsu clones, possibly plotting his own resurrection and shoving his ideals on people throughout the ages. Taking over their bodies with the souls of his sons or himself.

Sasuke is going to lay this all at the doorstep of Hagoromo, and frankly I think he's right to do so.

 

[Vapid]

Neither are right.

Naruto is childish and unrealistic.

Sasuke is a butthurt manchild with piss-poor convictions and motivation.

You're just a wanker.

 

[Angelic.]

Neither are right.

Naruto is childish and unrealistic.

Sasuke is a butthurt manchild with piss-poor convictions and motivation.

You're just a wanker.

this lol..

why do you make believe hago doesnt care?

no one has the answer. narutos way is the bridge..

 

[narutoblitz]

this lol..

Sorry guys, both of these fail the "logic" test. Sasuke might be butthurt, but he has some very real and valid points about how messed up the current ninja system is and why it needs to change. The results speak for themselves, Hagoromo's world is an abysmal failure.

 

[Varial]

As soon as someone brings up sasuke the naruto fanboys attack

 

[Outrageous]

Judging from your avatar, I'm not surprised by your opinion so

 

[alt for spamming]

Nice fanfiction, Naruto TnJ's Sasuke.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

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[Tennis Robot]

Naruto has an answer though...

 

[narutoblitz]

I think TNJ is unlikely on either side, because Naruto is stubborn and Sasuke believes he is justified. They will fight it out. Nardo will probably come to some consensus with Sasuke. I'm thinking something like the TB all live in another dimension with Sasuke or something like that, something that puts their power beyond the other village's reach.

Naruto has an answer though...

I'm not really sure he does other than the typical shonen "love peace and friendship" cheese. With a guy like Sasuke that isn't going to cut it. There's no cheesey book Nardo can pull out this time. No tragedy like with Obito. No regret. Sasuke is totally convinced he's in the right here. Logically speaking, I don't think most people honestly believe that the Go-kage are going to not go right back to persecuting the TB and starting their treacherous BS again.

Sasuke may very well have a valid point about killing the 5 Kage as well... At least in terms of the results it will achieve.

"Believe it" Won't cut it with Sasuke. Sasuke doesn't believe in Naruto, and probably never will until Nardo (or if) kicks his butt bad.

 

[Angelic.]

I think TNJ is unlikely on either side, because Naruto is stubborn and Sasuke believes he is justified. They will fight it out. Nardo will probably come to some consensus with Sasuke. I'm thinking something like the TB all live in another dimension with Sasuke or something like that, something that puts their power beyond the other village's reach.

why should the bijuu be forced into a corner (uchiha)
they have a right to live where they want.
at least naruto is their meeting point tho..but he wont live forever.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I think TNJ is unlikely on either side, because Naruto is stubborn and Sasuke believes he is justified. They will fight it out. Nardo will probably come to some consensus with Sasuke. I'm thinking something like the TB all live in another dimension with Sasuke or something like that, something that puts their power beyond the other village's reach.I'm not really sure he does other than the typical shonen "love peace and friendship" cheese. With a guy like Sasuke that isn't going to cut it. There's no cheesey book Nardo can pull out this time. No tragedy like with Obito. No regret. Sasuke is totally convinced he's in the right here. Logically speaking, I don't think most people honestly believe that the Go-kage are going to not go right back to persecuting the TB and starting their treacherous BS again.Sasuke may very well have a valid point about killing the 5 Kage as well... At least in terms of the results it will achieve."Believe it" Won't cut it with Sasuke. Sasuke doesn't believe in Naruto, and probably never will until Nardo (or if) kicks his butt bad.

Explain to me how that is logical. It looks like inductive reasoning to me.

 

[narutoblitz]

why should the bijuu be forced into a corner (uchiha)
they have a right to live where they want.
at least naruto is their meeting point tho..but he wont live forever.

I think Sauce's point is that mankind will go right back to hunting their power, causing more wars. He doesn't think Naruto can stop that conflict. Whether Sauce is PNJ'd or not, meh. We'll see. I think it's more likely the fight is a draw and they agree to both become co-Hokage alongside Kakashi. Or some weird compromise ending, assuming they both survive and the movie is 100% cannon...

Anyways my point with this thread is that I think Sasuke is correct in pointing out how messed up the status quo is.

 

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TnJ unlikely? Dont get your hopes up, there will be no revolution and the TB wont be under Sasuke's order they have the right to be free, and they gather with Naruto like the So6P.

 

[siege]

Sasuke's way has been tried many times it's ways like that by any means necessary that has caused all of whats wrong with the Shinobi world even the Sage said the world is the product of elder Son and Mothers way Naruto's way is new and is working a Shinobi who can cross the lines of the Villages and become a symbol a light to show them all the way Sasuke lives in the dark and would become just like Madara and Danzo come on it's like you don't even watch the series and the obvious messages Kishi conveys

 

[Ramen Dragneel]

War is an inevitable event into the history of mankind. The point of blaming the shinobi system for war and death is not fair. War existed even before hashirama's system was put into effect. True peace is impossible. Even under the hands of a dictator true peace is not possible. Based on historical evidence the means required to suppress a population is equivalent to war. To say that the shinobi system is twisted and is the cause of all wars and pain according to sasuke is outright wrong. The shinobi system is the cause of his pain and his personal war. Not to say there weren't other wars that did noinvovle sasuke that were cause by the system. I'm saying sasuke says he's not out for revenge but he is. If you want to end war destroy chaka itself. Destroying the world equivalent to a nuclear deterrent does nothing. the way the system is now is better than it was before. 5 united nations operating under a united leadership and he wants to kill them because he is dissatisfied with the road that led them here. There is no telling how things will turn out if the new alliance is allowed to flourish but we all know where sasuke's plan is going to lead. Naruto has no plan but he is willing to give the world a chance to correct itself. It won't happen overnight but destroying the corner stone of a united government is not the answer.neither plan is perfect but history has shown which option seems more plausible. I'm not saying the system is flawed btw. I saying its evolving and changing before our eyes as we read the manga. The distorted divided countries we say in the beginning of the manga have turned into a united nation. It deserves a chance to flourish and no to mention the inevitable changing of the guard which will no doubt include naruto and sasuke. an new nation is coming that will be led by sasuke and naruto's generation.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

Aaaand another one...

Ot- I think Naruto will become a transmigrant like Swagoromo and his sons. Even tho that's not really on topic but whatevs.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I think Sauce's point is that mankind will go right back to hunting their power, causing more wars. He doesn't think Naruto can stop that conflict. Whether Sauce is PNJ'd or not, meh. We'll see. I think it's more likely the fight is a draw and they agree to both become co-Hokage alongside Kakashi. Or some weird compromise ending, assuming they both survive and the movie is 100% cannon...Anyways my point with this thread is that I think Sasuke is correct in pointing out how messed up the status quo is.

The thing is, Sasuke is trying to mess it up more and then force the answer upon everyone. Naruto has helped everyone understand the answer and learn from the past. Sasuke's method will only bring about temporary (and uneasy) peace. Naruto is trying to get everyone to understand and begin to work toward peace by bettering themselves. No one learns anything from Sasuke's "peace". Even if Naruto's peace is unattainable, his ideals will resonate with people long after he is gone, and they will continue trying to understand one another because of his influence. The same cannot be said for Sasuke.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Oh yes because the one who calls for blood to christen his revolution is in the moral right, correct?

 

[take it easy]

Sasuke should be dead not tailed beast.