Opinion on war...

[Dreckerplayer]

Don't get on much...it's been a while. But I do check in every once and a while.Since everyone's been bored lately... here's a topic which we can discuss.


What's your opinion on 'War'?

I believe it's pointless. Unless we ALL die, it's won't stop. In war, there's no real winner...just a perpetual loop of stupidity and killing.

Unless we just stop fighting all together. Which seems unrealistic at this point.

 

[YowYan]

War is profitable, so war will continue being planned and waged. :/ yup.

 

[Ōkami]

Because countless deaths are a great way to justify mass murder.

 

[Shichi]

War is needed. Without War the economy would go to hell. The population would skyrocket leading to over population which in turn will lead to unsanitary conditions, making diseases spread rampantly. World hunger would also be MUCH MUCH larger problem then it is now.

 

[Aya San]

War is stupid

 

[YowYan]

War is needed. Without War the economy would go to hell. The population would skyrocket leading to over population which in turn will lead to unsanitary conditions, making diseases spread rampantly. World hunger would also be MUCH MUCH larger problem then it is now.

Overpopulation is a hoax. The system is the issue, not the amount of people.

 

[Shichi]

Overpopulation is a hoax. The system is the issue, not the amount of people.

Don't be such a hippy. The world can only support a limited number. After that there is no world left.

 

[YowYan]

Don't be such a hippy. The world can only support a limited number. After that there is no world left.

I'm merely stating a fact. Laying down the problem with overpopulation is useless and false. Go to the core of the issue which lies in the way our system was build. We could easily feed and distribute wealth evenly amongst 10 billion people on this earth if we managed it well.

You better listen to this hippie.

 

[Shichi]

I'm merely stating a fact. Laying down the problem with overpopulation is useless and false. Go to the core of the issue which lies in the way our system was build. We could easily feed and distribute wealth evenly amongst 10 billion people on this earth if we managed it well.

You better listen to this hippie.

Carrying capasity < Look it up friend. Doesn't matter how wealthy you are. When the world's resources are gone, it'll take years for most to grow back.

 

[YowYan]

Carrying capasity < Look it up friend. Doesn't matter how wealthy you are. When the world's resources are gone, it'll take years for most to grow back.

Are you talking about fossil fuel?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Carrying capasity < Look it up friend. Doesn't matter how wealthy you are. When the world's resources are gone, it'll take years for most to grow back.

You can't even spell capacity. Credibility gone.

 

[bsims08]

War is needed to stop groups such as the Taliban and etc. How can you let people like Sadam Hussein torture countless amounts of people and not stop him? If you think war isn't needed at that point than you are worthless like the people who cause the pain

 

[123fire]

We need obito to change our world guys

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

It's all the failures of man and our ideals in motion.

 

[Cruciatus]

War is needed to stop groups such as the Taliban and etc. How can you let people like Sadam Hussein torture countless amounts of people and not stop him? If you think war isn't needed at that point than you are worthless like the people who cause the pain

No, killing people who have killed people to punish them for killing people is what's worthless. It's a bloodthirsty and unproductive solution.

 

[MetalGundam]

War is where men are made.

 

[Aim64C]

Don't get on much...it's been a while. But I do check in every once and a while.Since everyone's been bored lately... here's a topic which we can discuss.


What's your opinion on 'War'?

I believe it's pointless. Unless we ALL die, it's won't stop. In war, there's no real winner...just a perpetual loop of stupidity and killing.

Unless we just stop fighting all together. Which seems unrealistic at this point.

War is a product of having individuals.

It is the ultimate expression of conflict - of an irreconcilable difference in decision making. The reasons for it can be many - but the overall cause of war is the same. For some reason, one group of people has decided to use force to see their will done - up to the use of deadly force. When another group decides to use force to resist - war is the result (provided some kind of resistance forms to meet the threat).

Generally, there are two types of people on this planet.

Collectivists and Individualists.

Interestingly - I've never met a true collectivist. Each one is actually a 'queen' desiring a hive mind to center around them. They are simply too ignorant to realize the fatal flaw in their view of a perfect society. Notwithstanding - I do believe humans will eventually self-select for a hive-mind mentality similar to that of Naked Mole Rat colonies. Already, there is genetic evidence to suggest that higher-functioning intelligence is slowly disappearing from our population - with our minds becoming honed for a narrow range of tasks as opposed to being grand arcane masters of the universe.

Anyway - Collectivists cherish the idea of 'the greater good' and 'social responsibility.' To them - a community has more right to exist than an individual person. Thus, in conflicts of interest between the 'good of the community' and 'the good of the individual' - the individual loses out in their frame of thinking.

These people generally denounce war at every turn and will, ironically, destroy entire nations in order to achieve 'world peace.'

Then you have your individualists. Individualists are something of the opposite of collectivists. Individualists see individual rights as being greater than those of the community. In a case where the community conflicts with the individual - the individualist would favor the individual (though perhaps not at the expense of the community - as that would be a potential infraction against the individuals that comprise the community).

Individualists tend to see war as natural and occasionally necessary; though they may disagree with the premise of a number of wars initiated on sketchy politics.

If it isn't apparent - I am an individualist. I tend to see war as a tool that should only be used with the utmost consideration for its consequences... but a valid tool, none the less.

Others will insist I'm the problem with society and would seek to kill me in an emotionally charged rage of self-ignorance.

 

[bsims08]

No, killing people who have killed people to punish them for killing people is what's worthless. It's a bloodthirsty and unproductive solution.

Then how do you stop them?

 

[Aim64C]

No, killing people who have killed people to punish them for killing people is what's worthless. It's a bloodthirsty and unproductive solution.

That's the problem with how our legal system is seen - "it is to punish."

It is not to punish. Nor should it ever be seen as a tool of punishment.

The legal system is a tool for society's survival. It is our immune system against individuals that seek to corrupt and destroy something that makes it easier for us to function efficiently and without constant suspicion of each other.

It should have two goals - to curb non-violent crime through the use of community service and/or fines, and to eliminate from our society those who only survive by violent extortion.

If there's a murder case and there is insufficient evidence to suggest the person is likely to kill again - leave them the hell alone. You're not going to 'make them pay' by throwing them in jail, taking away their job and 15 years of their life. If they are that bad - just kill them or exile them to human traffickers in China and South America.

The idea that you can somehow use the current system as 'punishment' turns the entire court system into a public arena akin to the Coliseum. Gladiators are thrown before the lawyers and jurors while the public looks on and cheers for the gladiator or the lions depending upon whether or not they believe the person needs to be punished.

There should be three sentencing options for our courts: Fines. Community Service. Death (or sell them off to the ***/slave trade if you want to be humane). Jails should only be used to detain those who are on trial for violent crimes with reasonable suspicion that it will be committed again. If someone 'escapes justice' in another country - let that country know what the story is, and let them decide if they want him/her living amongst them; He/she is no longer our problem.

Honestly - I've grown disgusted with our country's court system. If I do something, and you think it's bad enough to lock me away for ten years (after two years of playing with the circus court), then you may as well just kill me. If you don't have the balls to kill me over whatever I did - then I can't be scary enough to warrant locking me away; and you can assign me community service or a fine.

If I start going around and raping women and leaving their bodies to dangle over the overpass... you probably want to just kill me.

If I steal a car and run through someone's corn field - I should be fined for the damaged property with, perhaps, a little bit of community service. I should not be locked away in jail, lose my job, and then be picked up a few months after release for selling drugs (or whatever).

Our current system is completely dysfunctional and creates far more problems than it resolves.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

That's the problem with how our legal system is seen - "it is to punish."

It is not to punish. Nor should it ever be seen as a tool of punishment.

The legal system is a tool for society's survival. It is our immune system against individuals that seek to corrupt and destroy something that makes it easier for us to function efficiently and without constant suspicion of each other.

It should have two goals - to curb non-violent crime through the use of community service and/or fines, and to eliminate from our society those who only survive by violent extortion.

If there's a murder case and there is insufficient evidence to suggest the person is likely to kill again - leave them the hell alone. You're not going to 'make them pay' by throwing them in jail, taking away their job and 15 years of their life. If they are that bad - just kill them or exile them to human traffickers in China and South America.

The idea that you can somehow use the current system as 'punishment' turns the entire court system into a public arena akin to the Coliseum. Gladiators are thrown before the lawyers and jurors while the public looks on and cheers for the gladiator or the lions depending upon whether or not they believe the person needs to be punished.

There should be three sentencing options for our courts: Fines. Community Service. Death (or sell them off to the ***/slave trade if you want to be humane). Jails should only be used to detain those who are on trial for violent crimes with reasonable suspicion that it will be committed again. If someone 'escapes justice' in another country - let that country know what the story is, and let them decide if they want him/her living amongst them; He/she is no longer our problem.

Honestly - I've grown disgusted with our country's court system. If I do something, and you think it's bad enough to lock me away for ten years (after two years of playing with the circus court), then you may as well just kill me. If you don't have the balls to kill me over whatever I did - then I can't be scary enough to warrant locking me away; and you can assign me community service or a fine.

If I start going around and raping women and leaving their bodies to dangle over the overpass... you probably want to just kill me.

If I steal a car and run through someone's corn field - I should be fined for the damaged property with, perhaps, a little bit of community service. I should not be locked away in jail, lose my job, and then be picked up a few months after release for selling drugs (or whatever).

Our current system is completely dysfunctional and creates far more problems than it resolves.

That's what I like to hear! lmao.