Open your eyes,the proof is infront of you!

[KingHashirama]

Neither was it stated that uzumaki's where branched from senju's
Seriously you don't have any valid proof.....

... says it right there.. Nagato UZUMAKI.. is from the senju linage.. I don't know its hard to admit that the Uzumaki clan is from the Senju clan..... But the Uzumaki chose to specialize in seals.. otherwise they sucked ass.

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Wouldn't branched off and from the Senju Lineage mean the same thing or are you admitting that the Senju Clan are branched off from the Uzamaki Clan..??

Also that was soo long ago. Yes maybe they resemble both Hashirama and Madara BUT Naruto's destiny is bigger than some fight with Sasuke. Naruto is the Child of Prophecy and most likely the Child that Rikudo Sennin was talking about who is going to connect all the Bijuu together and show them real power. His destiny is no that just for Senju and Uchiha but basically all of the Shinobi World.

His destiny is and will be bigger than what Hashirama accomplished in his lifetime. And to think that he is only 16.

If you think they are the same thing.. then yes the manga states Uzumaki are branch of the Senju clan.

Its not "MAYBE" they resemble Hashirama and Madara.. its that they REPRESENT Hashirama and Madara.. SO6P didn't speak of any child ;]. Only the Old Sage did. Hashirama was also for the whole world.. not just Senju and Uchiha.... Thats why Obito stated the First Hokage lives inside Naruto.

Hes older then 16.. He was 16 when Shippuden started.

And also.. it depends.. Hashirama had to deal with a more corrupt world, and had to get people together.. and actually made temporary peace. Naruto has a better start.. a whole lot more support.. and I can keep on going.


Naruto UZUMAKI .. Represents Hashirama SENJU.....

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

While you presented a good theory, I disagree that the sage was a member of the "Uzumaki clan." However I am not above adding to your theory.

There were many scenes that potentially foreshadowed the sage being an "Uzumaki" clan member. When he is first shown, his silhouette has the same appearance as Naruto in his tailed beast mode, and there is no evidence that other jinchuuriki are able to attain a chakra shroud of the same appearance, despite Bee also being considered a perfect jinchuuriki. The sage was also the first jinchuuriki, which means that he sealed the ten tails into himself. Kurama apparently recognized the seal being used on him, which lends credibility to it being an "Uzumaki" sealing technique. Lastly, in the scene where the sage is shown conversing with the immature tailed beasts, the image of his face/hair/smile that we are shown is reminiscent of Nagato's last scene (whitened hair, somewhat gaunt face, small smile,) Nagato himself being an Uzumaki clan member.

My reasons for disagreeing with you are as follows. The sage can be considered the first ninja, the originator of ninjutsu. While he may have utilized a sealing technique to seal the ten tails, he was also in possession of the rinnegan, which boasts the power to use any ninjutsu. Sealing techniques are are sub-division of ninjutsu, and the ability to use one technique does not automatically make one a master in its field. The Uzumaki clan were known to be specialists in sealing, just as the Hyuuga are known to be specialists in taijutsu, and the Uchiha to be specialists in anything combat related. Next, the odds of a clan remaining unchanged throughout the course of history, especially a history wrought with ninja wars, is highly unlikely. The Senju was most likely not the name of THE younger son's clan, and the Uchiha clan was most likely not the name of THE older brother's clan. To think that their father's clan, which by association would also be their clan, is the only one that did not change its name is unlikely. The Uzumaki were said to be related to the Senju clan alone.

I will leave my comments as this, seeing as we wont know the answer until Kishimoto explicitly states so.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

No. He had two sons one senju one uchiha. How would the uzumaki clan exist if he was the first uzumaki and didn't have uzumaki heirs? The uzumaki were an offshoot of the senju just like the hyuuga come from uchiha. Accept it.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

... says it right there.. Nagato UZUMAKI.. is from the senju linage.. I don't know its hard to admit that the Uzumaki clan is from the Senju clan..... But the Uzumaki chose to specialize in seals.. otherwise they sucked ass.

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If you think they are the same thing.. then yes the manga states Uzumaki are branch of the Senju clan.

Its not "MAYBE" they resemble Hashirama and Madara.. its that they REPRESENT Hashirama and Madara.. SO6P didn't speak of any child ;]. Only the Old Sage did. Hashirama was also for the whole world.. not just Senju and Uchiha.... Thats why Obito stated the First Hokage lives inside Naruto.

Hes older then 16.. He was 16 when Shippuden started.

And also.. it depends.. Hashirama had to deal with a more corrupt world, and had to get people together.. and actually made temporary peace. Naruto has a better start.. a whole lot more support.. and I can keep on going.


Naruto UZUMAKI .. Represents Hashirama SENJU.....

I see,You weren't around when derp obito gave a trusted source this same exact scan for interpretation.......
Its actually Not interpreted well
Oh and the Uzumaki sucked ass?
That's where you removed the logic In this debate.....
What's the meaning of "they suck ass" oh you expect it to get to me.....
We're talk about possibililties here,not trying to be a mindless fanboy....

 

[dhaoracle]

... says it right there.. Nagato UZUMAKI.. is from the senju linage.. I don't know its hard to admit that the Uzumaki clan is from the Senju clan..... But the Uzumaki chose to specialize in seals.. otherwise they sucked ass.

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If you think they are the same thing.. then yes the manga states Uzumaki are branch of the Senju clan.

Its not "MAYBE" they resemble Hashirama and Madara.. its that they REPRESENT Hashirama and Madara.. SO6P didn't speak of any child ;]. Only the Old Sage did. Hashirama was also for the whole world.. not just Senju and Uchiha.... Thats why Obito stated the First Hokage lives inside Naruto.

Hes older then 16.. He was 16 when Shippuden started.

And also.. it depends.. Hashirama had to deal with a more corrupt world, and had to get people together.. and actually made temporary peace. Naruto has a better start.. a whole lot more support.. and I can keep on going.


Naruto UZUMAKI .. Represents Hashirama SENJU.....

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Yes read that from page 11-13 and you will see that Rikudo also was talking about a child person to come and bring all the Bijuu together to show them true power as one. Even Kurama himself reiterated it.

Also I agreed with you on how their connection mirrors both Hashirama's and Madara's connection but in no way is Naruto's destiny mirrored with Hashirama's. Naruto is not the Hokage as of yet but just inspres to be without knowing the choice that he is going to have to make is going to effect all of the nations and not forever. I believe that it is Naruto who is going to solve the question about peace in the Shinobi world and bring peace unlike what Rikudo Sennin and Hashirama ever dreamed of. Hashirama made struck his own stone without being compared to Rikudo Sennin who was trying to do the same thing he was doing and that was bring peace through taming the Bijuu(In different ways). He is not compared to Rikudo but compared to the Younger son just because they have the same lineage and not what they did.

Naruto will be the same way because he will take Peace to a whole other level and will not just be remembered because of a fight he had with Sasuke but the peace he brung to all the nations & Bijuus.

 

[dhaoracle]

No. He had two sons one senju one uchiha. How would the uzumaki clan exist if he was the first uzumaki and didn't have uzumaki heirs? The uzumaki were an offshoot of the senju just like the hyuuga come from uchiha. Accept it.

So why is it that the Uzamaki were in possession of a Jutsu no FUINJUTSU that predates every Senju or Uzamaki jutsu and both of their clans?????

Answer me that!!!

 

[BloodSeed]

Truly,am one of those still trying to prove Rikoudu was an Uzumaki,but people are either Ignorant or blind to accept manga facts!
Here's my final comment on this!
We all know naruto used the same seal rikoudu used against juubi,right?

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And Kushina basically said the same seal naruto used against kurama is based on their own fuinjutsu's made by her village,right?

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____Recap__
The same seal used by Rikoudu sennin in enslaving the juubi,was made by the uzumaki's.
Rikoudu taught the world Ninjutsu's when he discorvered chakra,that's after the enslavery of juubi!
But its Impossible for him to be taught something,when he was the one who taught others!
The sage passed Down a certain Ninjutsu,one Used in enslaving juubi,and in hopes of using it again prior to the awakening of juubi.

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So it was stated that rikoudu was a monk,right?
We need to know if it was after or before juubi's slavery!
But he discorvered chakra after enslaving juubi,and started teaching those who are to be enlightened.....
So we could say he became a traveling monk after juubi's defeat!
But he If he'd taught the Uzumaki's fuinjutsu,kushina would have Never said the Torii seal was based On a technique from her village,when in all reality it was rikoudu who taught them!
But saying kushina never knew anything about it,because she was knowledgeable in fuinjutsu!
It was said Rikoudu passed his Ideals and assets to his two sons,but his legacy was passed onto his youngest son!
But the Uzumaki possesed something the sons supposed to have,because its their father's in the first place
No senju has ever been skilled in fuinjutsu to the calibre a fullblown Uzumaki was
How can the senju's have actually taught the uzumaki's sealing,when in fact none have showed adeptness in that field????
Kushina taught Minato
Mito sealed kurama in herself..
See the pattern!
________Summary____
1.Kushina said the same fuinjutsu naruto used agains kurama was based on one developed By he village,the same rikoudu used
2.If trully Uzumaki's came from senju's,senju's ought to be knowledgeable in fuinjutsu than any uzumaki's,because they are called a clan of thousand skills.but its the other way round
3.The sage actually passed down the skills of sealing to the Uzumaki's,not the senju's!

youve read derp obitos theory? RIGHT?

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

The Uzumaki could have been in possession of the jutsu for a number of reasons. One is that THE younger brother kept a record of the jutsu on his side of the family, and after passing it down through generations, the family that would go on to become the Uzumaki clan kept a record of the jutsu. The same could be said for knowledge of the rinnegan techniques. Knowledge passed down.

 

[Naruto.]

But if the Sage was an Uzumaki, then the Uzumaki would be blessed with Rinnegan and would awaken them after experiencing extreme pain!

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

The Uzumaki could have been in possession of the jutsu for a number of reasons. One is that THE younger brother kept a record of the jutsu on his side of the family, and after passing it down through generations, the family that would go on to become the Uzumaki clan kept a record of the jutsu. The same could be said for knowledge of the rinnegan techniques. Knowledge passed down.

Have we ever seen any senju as skilled in fuinjutsu as Any full blown uzumaki?

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

But if the Sage was an Uzumaki, then the Uzumaki would be blessed with Rinnegan and would awaken them after experiencing extreme pain!

No,it was only unique to rikoudu being the host of juubi and all!

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

youve read derp obitos theory? RIGHT?

He's my brah!

 

[Honord Sage]

In the end all rods in the Manga leads to the Uzumaki,to ignore this is to totally be blown out of the water,when Kishi reveals all at the end.

 

[Micho22]

Where are people like you getting the notion that Rikudo Sennin was either the first human or one of the first humans. He was a Priest so there had to be a family that refined the stuff that he learned such as the Fuinjutsu that he used to seal the Juubi with.

I get it from the point that he was a monk besides i did not say that he was the very first human
I just say that i dont believe that there where other clans because he was a monk
And even japanese monks today can use sealing spells also in real life

 

[Micho22]

That's what all the people who don't agree with the theory thinks. But there isn't any proof that shows that there weren't any clans, there just wasn't any Shinobi clans. People only speculate that clans were made from shinobi's alone, when there are people around that aren't shinobi.

I dont think just this for me the open question is
If this theory is true than the uzumakis must be also bloodrelated to the uchihas but this was never stated in the manga it was just stated that they are disatnt relatives to the senjus and not uchihas
That woud be the absolute proof but there is no info about a blood connection to the uchihas

 

[uzumaki namikazee]

I agree, though i would still lyke to see naruto with sharingan.