wanderingcactus
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Now there are many of you that would always say something but never back it up.
There are those who'd correct me but say things that are based on speculation (that aren't even promising)
This is what I think WHY the Ootsutsuki Family goes like this:
(Spiritual) (Physical)
Momoshiki + Kaguya
Hagoromo --- Hamura
Uchiha Senju | Hyuga Uzumaki
"first off, why Momoshiki is the dad?"
now the only one that is practically the ultimate God in NV is Kaguya.
She's the only being that has BOTH the byakugan and the rinnegan
and we've been introduced to Momoshiki who happen to wield BOTH byakugan and rinnegan.
The fact that he has a body guard means that he's high ranking, like a prince so I just see Kinshiki as his royal guard.
Now on to their kids.
Obviously there's no debate there.
On Hagoromo's side, there's no dispute but on Hamura's side, it'll be mostly speculation (which people cannot tell other people that they are wrong if they are also assuming cuz then it'll be just fanfic)
I hate that I always say that I speculate Hamura's side and people would still go on and say wrong and not back up what they say so they sound like they're just trolling.
To explain why I see the Hyuga and Uzumaki as part of Hamura's lineage, I'd touch up on the history.
When Hagoromo and Hamura finally defeated their mother by sealing her, Hagoromo took her chakra(spiritual) and became the Juuni Jin while Hamura took her body, Gedo Statue (physical) to space and safe guard it.
Hagoromo had 2 sons which became the Uchiha and Senju Clans, probably due to having only daughters along the line and losing the Otsutsuki name.
Hamura is on the moon along with his disciples. The fact that Toneri still has the Ootsutsuki last name means that the Hyuga may not possibly related to Hamura.
We can speculate that Hamura also has 2 kids (Kishi's repetititveness on Yin-Yang dualism, the body (physical) and mind (spiritual) stuff so its safe to assume that)
Why two kids? well there's a main family(Hyuga) and there's the branch family(Uzumaki). Also its a theme reoccurance. Yin Yang. blah blah blah.
They also had a war similar to Indra's and Ashura's. It's actually about that war is why they had a war.
The revelations that were given to us by Hamura, the branch side actually won with Toneri being the last one surviving the war and the main family, now dead, had their eyes harvested to make the UT (similar to IT)
Ultimate Tenseigan and Infinite Tsukuyomi
very similar no?
Now how is it that there's still a byagukan user still on Earth?
Well, since there's a huge war on the moon, i bet there will be defectors and would just want to live in peace.
They probably snuck out and started their own villages with new names so that they would not be hunted down.
the Hyuga Clan is one of the great clans that make up the Hidden Leaf Village.
"errm ok? what's the significance of that?"
The Hidden Leaf village is in the Land of Fire (Uchiha territory) and is made up of the great family Uchiha and Senju (both direct descendants of Hagoromo)
Hyuga having the only people to possess such doujutsu and near the descendants' clans is a hint.
"Ok the Hyuga is more accepted speculation of Hamura's descendants but Uzumakis are Senju descendants"
Note that the Hidden Eddy Village, in Whirlpool Land, (made up of mainly Uzumaki) is right next to each other. I MEAN COME ON! IT"S RIGHT FLIPPIN THERE!
Up until they got rekt by the other villagers thanks to Tobi and his Akatsuki gang.
"yeah well that's because theyr're descendants"
well then that's wierd considering Hashirama's wife is an Uzumaki and that there has to had an alliance to be made. Game of Thrones plot there then?
NOT enough? still trying to say that they're just a branch or that they are descendants of the Senju?
distant BLOOD relatives.
sure i'll take distant relatives, but why put in blood? a bit redundant dont you think? that means they're not from the same BRANCH of the family (hagoromo).
"well how to you explain Naruto becoming Ashura's transmigrant?"
well the requirements is that the generation is the similar as Indra's and Ashura's (from an Ootsutsuki bloodline, has to have a brotherly rivalry starting from when they were kids, a prodigy and a hardworker)
or else Naruto shouldn't even be a transmigrant since hes not a senju.
Senju has a different affinity than of the Uzumakis.
Senjus are known for their wood (thus called Hidden Leaf) while Uzumaki is known for their seals and such.
Now on to why is the Uzumaki the branch of Hamura's Oostutsuki family.
Toneri is the last surviving Ootsutsuki on the moon. We all know that he is from the branch family and does not have byakugan. That's why he needed Hanabi's.
Therefore he must have the lifeforce.
"but Kurama's power is the chakra form!" well explain this!
"that's the tenseigan"
OK, because Minato had the chakra form and its kurama means that its kurama's power. lemme give you a point for that speculation.
However you completely miss the fact that he knows a lot about the Uzumaki seals and powers. That could just be one of the branch power.
It just adds up. If there is also a transmigrant cycle in Hamura's "supposedly" bloodline (there I always include that it's speculation), then it would make sense that there's an avatar state as well. The avatar state/chakra mode is only half of the power though.
Toneri is basically a spitting split image of Naruto's God mode
However, chakra mode is NOT Kurama's power
THIS IS!
no seriously his real power is power. He is literally power. plus hes a mean furry fuzz ball of hatred. Cute but menacing.
now why did I come to a conclusion of the chakra mode NOT Kurama's power but instead an Uzumaki sealing tech?
because of this scene
That's when Kurama went on his own (but jins cannot go out on their own as they are bound to the beast and vice versa)
Well you remember when Naruto started spreading his charka around the Ninja Alliance? well he did the same thing. Kurama is not with Naruto but is still tethered by the chakra mode (maybe its his own version of the Uzumaki chakra chain?)
The fact that Kurama managed to leave his body (although only in chakra) confirms that Kurama mode is not his Ashura Avatar but rather just his normal BM.
Thank you and that is all.
Hyuga Uzumaki Hamura bloodline yo! suck it biznetches!
"Well, the Last isn't cannon"
your life ISNT cannon!
OH, feel free to reuse this:
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There are those who'd correct me but say things that are based on speculation (that aren't even promising)
This is what I think WHY the Ootsutsuki Family goes like this:
(Spiritual) (Physical)
Momoshiki + Kaguya
Hagoromo --- Hamura
Uchiha Senju | Hyuga Uzumaki
"first off, why Momoshiki is the dad?"
now the only one that is practically the ultimate God in NV is Kaguya.
She's the only being that has BOTH the byakugan and the rinnegan
and we've been introduced to Momoshiki who happen to wield BOTH byakugan and rinnegan.
The fact that he has a body guard means that he's high ranking, like a prince so I just see Kinshiki as his royal guard.
Now on to their kids.
Obviously there's no debate there.
On Hagoromo's side, there's no dispute but on Hamura's side, it'll be mostly speculation (which people cannot tell other people that they are wrong if they are also assuming cuz then it'll be just fanfic)
I hate that I always say that I speculate Hamura's side and people would still go on and say wrong and not back up what they say so they sound like they're just trolling.
To explain why I see the Hyuga and Uzumaki as part of Hamura's lineage, I'd touch up on the history.
When Hagoromo and Hamura finally defeated their mother by sealing her, Hagoromo took her chakra(spiritual) and became the Juuni Jin while Hamura took her body, Gedo Statue (physical) to space and safe guard it.
Hagoromo had 2 sons which became the Uchiha and Senju Clans, probably due to having only daughters along the line and losing the Otsutsuki name.
Hamura is on the moon along with his disciples. The fact that Toneri still has the Ootsutsuki last name means that the Hyuga may not possibly related to Hamura.
We can speculate that Hamura also has 2 kids (Kishi's repetititveness on Yin-Yang dualism, the body (physical) and mind (spiritual) stuff so its safe to assume that)
Why two kids? well there's a main family(Hyuga) and there's the branch family(Uzumaki). Also its a theme reoccurance. Yin Yang. blah blah blah.
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They also had a war similar to Indra's and Ashura's. It's actually about that war is why they had a war.
The revelations that were given to us by Hamura, the branch side actually won with Toneri being the last one surviving the war and the main family, now dead, had their eyes harvested to make the UT (similar to IT)
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Ultimate Tenseigan and Infinite Tsukuyomi
Now how is it that there's still a byagukan user still on Earth?
Well, since there's a huge war on the moon, i bet there will be defectors and would just want to live in peace.
They probably snuck out and started their own villages with new names so that they would not be hunted down.
the Hyuga Clan is one of the great clans that make up the Hidden Leaf Village.
"errm ok? what's the significance of that?"
The Hidden Leaf village is in the Land of Fire (Uchiha territory) and is made up of the great family Uchiha and Senju (both direct descendants of Hagoromo)
Hyuga having the only people to possess such doujutsu and near the descendants' clans is a hint.
"Ok the Hyuga is more accepted speculation of Hamura's descendants but Uzumakis are Senju descendants"
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Note that the Hidden Eddy Village, in Whirlpool Land, (made up of mainly Uzumaki) is right next to each other. I MEAN COME ON! IT"S RIGHT FLIPPIN THERE!
Up until they got rekt by the other villagers thanks to Tobi and his Akatsuki gang.
"yeah well that's because theyr're descendants"
well then that's wierd considering Hashirama's wife is an Uzumaki and that there has to had an alliance to be made. Game of Thrones plot there then?
NOT enough? still trying to say that they're just a branch or that they are descendants of the Senju?
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distant BLOOD relatives.
sure i'll take distant relatives, but why put in blood? a bit redundant dont you think? that means they're not from the same BRANCH of the family (hagoromo).
"well how to you explain Naruto becoming Ashura's transmigrant?"
well the requirements is that the generation is the similar as Indra's and Ashura's (from an Ootsutsuki bloodline, has to have a brotherly rivalry starting from when they were kids, a prodigy and a hardworker)
or else Naruto shouldn't even be a transmigrant since hes not a senju.
Senju has a different affinity than of the Uzumakis.
Senjus are known for their wood (thus called Hidden Leaf) while Uzumaki is known for their seals and such.
Now on to why is the Uzumaki the branch of Hamura's Oostutsuki family.
Toneri is the last surviving Ootsutsuki on the moon. We all know that he is from the branch family and does not have byakugan. That's why he needed Hanabi's.
Therefore he must have the lifeforce.
"but Kurama's power is the chakra form!" well explain this!
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OK, because Minato had the chakra form and its kurama means that its kurama's power. lemme give you a point for that speculation.
However you completely miss the fact that he knows a lot about the Uzumaki seals and powers. That could just be one of the branch power.
It just adds up. If there is also a transmigrant cycle in Hamura's "supposedly" bloodline (there I always include that it's speculation), then it would make sense that there's an avatar state as well. The avatar state/chakra mode is only half of the power though.
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Toneri is basically a spitting split image of Naruto's God mode
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However, chakra mode is NOT Kurama's power
THIS IS!
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no seriously his real power is power. He is literally power. plus hes a mean furry fuzz ball of hatred. Cute but menacing.
now why did I come to a conclusion of the chakra mode NOT Kurama's power but instead an Uzumaki sealing tech?
because of this scene
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That's when Kurama went on his own (but jins cannot go out on their own as they are bound to the beast and vice versa)
Well you remember when Naruto started spreading his charka around the Ninja Alliance? well he did the same thing. Kurama is not with Naruto but is still tethered by the chakra mode (maybe its his own version of the Uzumaki chakra chain?)
The fact that Kurama managed to leave his body (although only in chakra) confirms that Kurama mode is not his Ashura Avatar but rather just his normal BM.
Thank you and that is all.
Hyuga Uzumaki Hamura bloodline yo! suck it biznetches!
"Well, the Last isn't cannon"
your life ISNT cannon!
OH, feel free to reuse this:
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