Onoki + x Kage vs Itachi

[KidGamer65]

Don't see why Yata couldn't protect him from Jinton? The main issue people always had with that is that it can't cover Susanoo completely, that has been proven to be false so Itachi should definitely be able to solo Onoki+Any other Kage.

 

[genii96]

When you make clones, you're also splitting your power too remember, and we've never seen him use Jinton while cloned. It should certainly reduce the capacity of him to use Jinton at the very least. Basically he has to prove he can do it before he gets granted it. It also won't make much difference against someone like Itachi.

shadow clones are the ones that force you to divide your power,not rock clones,those ones are determined by the amount the user wants. Tell me,which takes more chakra, rock clones,or giant rock golems?cuz he used 2 of the golems and still did a number of jintons.

So giant rock golem+jinton is granted,and since that giant glem takes more chakra than a rock clone,he can do a jinton there too.

 

[ItachiStyle]

shadow clones are the ones that force you to divide your power,not rock clones,those ones are determined by the amount the user wants.

Cite me the page in the manga that says that. You just made it up. Shameful stuff.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

shadow clones are the ones that force you to divide your power,not rock clones,those ones are determined by the amount the user wants. Tell me,which takes more chakra, rock clones,or giant rock golems?cuz he used 2 of the golems and still did a number of jintons.

So giant rock golem+jinton is granted,and since that giant glem takes more chakra than a rock clone,he can do a jinton there too.

Not really. The elemental clones work on the same way as the shadow clones. Kakashi's raiton clone, for instance.

 

[genii96]

Re: Onoki x Kage vs Itachi

Cite me the page in the manga that says that. You just made it up. Shameful stuff.

er,the only reason the byuakugan nor sharingan is able to tell a shadow clone from the other,is because of the equal chakra they all share,where as madara could tell wood clones apart,

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one of the disadvantages is precicely the fact that the chakra are evenly distributed,hence dangerous if you are low on chakra.

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no chakra division here,

or here

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i think you get the point.

Not really. The elemental clones work on the same way as the shadow clones. Kakashi's raiton clone, for instance.

nope,it's actually raiton shadow clone,not raiton clone,check it out,just like oro's earth release shadow clone,it is a shadow clone,infused with ighteneing,hence when dispersed,the lightening would come out. It is a shadow clone,but an advanced version.

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look,it's parent jutsu is the kage bushin,this is just a variant of it. It's a shadow clone tech.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Hm, then I guess I was wrong ^

 

[ItachiStyle]

Don't quote me what some fan wrote on the wiki, quote me something from the manga to actually support the fan theory (or rather in this case, absence of a negative).

 

[genii96]

Re: Onoki x Kage vs Itachi

Don't quote me what some fan wrote on the wiki, quote me something from the manga to actually support the fan theory (or rather in this case, absence of a negative).

those fans read the same manga as you,and the put references, if their information is false,it is deleted. Byuakugan can see chakra better than rinnegan and sharingan,yet,cudnt tell the difference between a shadow clone and the original,why?,because they all have the same chakra and power,

why dont you show me where it states all clone techniques divide the users chakra equally?,or that those quotes are wrong?.

Like i told you,a giant rock golem,takes more chakra thsn a little rock clone obviously,and onoki still did jinton

 

[ItachiStyle]

That's not the way evidence works. It would be like me going to Madara's page and asking "where does it say he can't use the Yata Mirror?" You can't argue absence of a negative, you need to show positive evidence, like feats or clear statements in the manga. You have none, so you have no argument (because there is none).

 

[genii96]

Re: Onoki x Kage vs Itachi

That's not the way evidence works. It would be like me going to Madara's page and asking "where does it say he can't use the Yata Mirror?" You can't argue absence of a negative, you need to show positive evidence, like feats or clear statements in the manga. You have none, so you have no argument (because there is none).

you are the one who assumed all clone techs divided the user's chakra equally,i showed you pages of the shadow clone jutsus showing that that is the one where all the chakra is evenly distributed.
Oh and gaara's sand clone,was bisected by joki boy's weapon,and was pierced by a water gun

gaara himself blocked a susanoo sword without looking,does that seem like equal power to you?

Water clones,take one-tenth of the users power

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not the same as the user's power.

Shadow clones distribute chakra and power evenly,others do not

 

[Waltz]

-> Regular shadow clones are made entirely of the users chakra (users Chakra).

-> Elemental Clones are the same as regular clones but infused with the element (users chakra + chakra to manipulate element into desired form)

-> Elemental releases (chakra to manipulate element into desired form)

The difference however is the Scale of technique. A large Doton Golem would require more chakra than a small elemental clone and vice versa.

 

[genii96]

-> Regular shadow clones are made entirely of the users chakra (users Chakra).

-> Elemental Clones are the same as regular clones but infused with the element (users chakra + chakra to manipulate element into desired form)

-> Elemental releases (chakra to manipulate element into desired form)

The difference however is the Scale of technique. A large Doton Golem would require more chakra than a small elemental clone and vice versa.

the last part is what i have been trying to tell him,if onoki can do a jinton after a large golem,he can do one after a small rock clone

 

[ItachiStyle]

Again, evidence? No? Then stop saying it.

And by evidence,I mean from the manga, not some frickin Wiki.

 

[genii96]

Again, evidence? No? Then stop saying it.

And by evidence,I mean from the manga, not some frickin Wiki.

actually it-s from the wikia,which is manga+databoks combined. So yea,it's pretty legit

 

[Waltz]

Again, evidence? No? Then stop saying it.

And by evidence,I mean from the manga, not some frickin Wiki.

-> Regular shadow clones are made entirely of the users chakra (users Chakra).

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-> Elemental Clones are the same as regular clones but infused with the element (users chakra + chakra to manipulate element into desired form), they require more chakra than regular clones.

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The difference however is the Scale of technique. A large Doton Golem would require more chakra than a small elemental clone and vice versa. This is rather obvious. Doton Goremu no Jutsu differs depending on use and manipulating the Golem itself requires chakra. How ever, based on kakashi's statement, The Chakra usage on clones varies per individual depending on their chakra pool.

 

[ItachiStyle]

You have shown 2 scans. Scan 1 is just a generic explanation about Kage Bushin, it adds nothing. Scan 2 says it reduced Kakashi to 50% Chakra. That's an argument for me not against me. I questioned Onoki's ability to do Jinton with rock clones, and asked for the evidence, and the one example of an elemental clone shows Kakashi was at 50% strength (the same amount of strength at which Mu could not perform Jinton). I'm amazed you cited that as evidence.

 

[Waltz]

You have shown 2 scans. Scan 1 is just a generic explanation about Kage Bushin, it adds nothing. Scan 2 says it reduced Kakashi to 50% Chakra. That's an argument for me not against me. I questioned Onoki's ability to do Jinton with rock clones, and asked for the evidence, and the one example of an elemental clone shows Kakashi was at 50% strength (the same amount of strength at which Mu could not perform Jinton). I'm amazed you cited that as evidence.

I wasn't posting against you. i was clarifying the kage-bunshin argument for both of you, nothing more.

 

[genii96]

Re: Onoki x Kage vs Itachi

You have shown 2 scans. Scan 1 is just a generic explanation about Kage Bushin, it adds nothing. Scan 2 says it reduced Kakashi to 50% Chakra. That's an argument for me not against me. I questioned Onoki's ability to do Jinton with rock clones, and asked for the evidence, and the one example of an elemental clone shows Kakashi was at 50% strength (the same amount of strength at which Mu could not perform Jinton). I'm amazed you cited that as evidence.

okay,first of all,muu's clone technique is a splitting technique,it is different from a shadow clone technique,
"This technique allows Mū to literally split their body into two exact and entirely independent parts. Unlike Clone Techniques that only appear to be similar, the ability is instead a physical separation and so does not require hand seals to activate, making itfaster in comparison as a result. This also means that even if one is incapacitated, the other remains completely unaffected and as neither can truly be regarded as the original, the duplicates cannot be dispelled like normal clones."
he actually seperates himself in two,not one of them is the real one.

I asked you a question,which took more chakra, a giant rock golem or a rock clone?,you havent answered it,but it is obvious that the rock golem requires more chakra,onoki was able to use jinton after that,he even created anothwr giant rock clone to attack madara and still did jinton after that one.

Shadow clones divide your chakra equally,when kakashi made that one clone,his chakra was divided in two,hence he got 50% chakra,while the clone got the same amount,if he made another one,he would get 33.33% chakra,if he made another one,he would get only 25% and so on. Thats what shadow clones do.

 

[ItachiStyle]

I'm not interested in answering your question, because our theorising is irrelevant. If there are no feats or good evidence, then characters don't get said feats. You don't have any, so Onoki doesn't get it. End discussion.

 

[genii96]

Oh,so onoki can do a jintonl after 2 giant rock golems,but not after rock clones?,thats like saying a person can do ultra bog ball rasengan,but cant do a normal one simply because he hasnt shown it,very bad logic. You cant answer the question,cuz you know it proves you wrong.

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