Onoki vs Kisame

[eytanpk]

Kisame's only threat of defeat here is Jinton, a jutsu that Oonoki can use three times before being worn out.

I'd say Kisame mid diff. A Great Shark Bomb should remedy that issue. Or, if the fight lasts long enough, a Water Dome or any significant sized body of water where Kisame could fuse with Samehada and drastically increase his speed. Most likely enough to evade Jinton.

Hmmm
What about Doton: Kajūgan no Jutsu?
Kisame's Suiton won't be very usefull in case he gets hit by this..

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Onoki mid diff.

Jinton stomps.

 

[Zexion~]

Onoki mid diff.

Jinton stomps.

GSB>>Jinton

 

[Shura]

Kisame >> Onoki.

GSB >> Jinton.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Onoki stomps with the lowest difficulty.

 

[NewKageism]

Onoki stomps with the lowest difficulty.

Not in his age or stage. His own village even thinks he been there to long.

 

[Bijuu13]

So I'm guessing anybody who isn't fodder with a 4 in speed is deemed untouchable then, huh? I don't even know where you got that he has a "4" in speed, anyways. He is old, with back spasms. It doesn't seem plausible that he has the reaction speed of Bee's caliber which took to dodge Samehada.

I'm going to pretend you were joking with the fist rock technique destroying Samehada and ignore it.

I really hope you don't believe that the two meteor landed on Onoki's head. He would of been squashed to nothing if that were to be the case. That's all I got to say about that. Again, Samehada would absorb the chakra which will rid it of the rocks.

I said if Onoki is able to go airborne then it will require high-difficulty for Kisame to defeat him. If Kisame doesn't allow him to go airborne, given the 10m starting distance, Kisame would defeat him comfortably.

Came to the conclusion this guy doesn't even read the manga, so everybody ignore him.

 

[Shura]

Came to the conclusion this guy doesn't even read the manga, so everybody ignore him.

Counter him then if you are so sure that you are the superior debater which is doubtful if I may add.

 

[Bijuu13]

Counter him then if you are so sure that you are the superior debater which is doubtful if I may add.

I'm on my kindle therefore its difficult to even type and gather scans. It's your opinion lol, but i guess it doesn't hurt to try and change your mind now does it *_*

 

[Lilt]

Kisame's ultimate jutsu trumps Jinton hard, and he can gain further advantage with his waterdome.

The flight jutsu won't work in water after all.

 

[Bijuu13]

So I'm guessing anybody who isn't fodder with a 4 in speed is deemed untouchable then, huh? I don't even know where you got that he has a "4" in speed, anyways. He is old, with back spasms. It doesn't seem plausible that he has the reaction speed of Bee's caliber which took to dodge Samehada.

I'm going to pretend you were joking with the fist rock technique destroying Samehada and ignore it.

I really hope you don't believe that the two meteor landed on Onoki's head. He would of been squashed to nothing if that were to be the case. That's all I got to say about that. Again, Samehada would absorb the chakra which will rid it of the rocks.

I said if Onoki is able to go airborne then it will require high-difficulty for Kisame to defeat him. If Kisame doesn't allow him to go airborne, given the 10m starting distance, Kisame would defeat him comfortably.

Never said untouchable, but able to dodge a sword ? I think yes.

Out of fairness you would think people would disregard back spasms as there is no debating he would die if he caught one in the middle of this fight

This would destroy it, if it shattered a giant clam summoning it can hurt the sword

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This would turn it onto rock, keep in mind the zetsu were absorbing chakra as Samehade does

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Carrying a meteor and they collide on top of him leaving his head bleeding and body injured, read the manga

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For those saying GSB, Onoki doesn't have a jutsu to match that but he has shown to utilize earth clones a lot when he is uncertain
There's no single counter for water dome either, if he were to survive there would have to be a sequence

By the way the op never said Kisame has Samehade in the first place which would mean no shark boy

 

[Professor Finesser]

Well oonoki could easily fly out of water dome, and Jinton is a hella hard jutsu to beat, idk could go either way

 

[Zexion~]

Well oonoki could easily fly out of water dome, and Jinton is a hella hard jutsu to beat, idk could go either way

Flight has nothing to do with how he swims .. The flight jutsu manipulates the air making it able to levitate/fly ... There is no air underwater ..

Anyways are people actually saying heavy rock jutsu does anything? one slice of Samehada smashes right through it .. it would absorb the chakra making the rocks not heavy at all .. hell it would actually make them fall to the ground.. meaning he has no armor and then proceeds to get slammed by Samehada..

 

[Shura]

Well oonoki could easily fly out of water dome, and Jinton is a hella hard jutsu to beat, idk could go either way

Actually you are incorrect. Ōnoki needs to use Chakra in order to activate his Flight Technique and

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. In other words, the Chakra he attempts to use for his Flight Technique would be absorbed. As for Jinton,

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. Jinton is countered by the Suiton: Daikōdan no Jutsu quite easily.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Now that a good debate is going, I would like to add my 2 cents.

I believe Kisame takes it.

 

[Liath]

Flight has nothing to do with how he swims .. The flight jutsu manipulates the air making it able to levitate/fly ... There is no air underwater ..

Anyways are people actually saying heavy rock jutsu does anything? one slice of Samehada smashes right through it .. it would absorb the chakra making the rocks not heavy at all .. hell it would actually make them fall to the ground.. meaning he has no armor and then proceeds to get slammed by Samehada..

no offense but i think you are mixing up ultra heavyweight jutsu and his added rock-weight fist jutsu. the former makes anything he touches (with chakra, of course) so heavy it cannot move or be lifted, hence how it is a perfect counter for samehada's chakra absorbing abilities. the latter turns his fist into a block of stone that has enough power to smash a giant clam into pieces.

kisame's strongest attack, the super water shark bomb, is a decent counter for jinton, but obviously must consume a massive amount of kisame's limited chakra, and is thusly likely not spammable. conversely, jinton has a 360 degree effect, and is much more spammable, as onoki used it multiple times in a single day (first in his fight against mu, then in his fight against madara, with the mizukage fight in between). this means that either onoki has a huge chakra supply and great stamina, or jinton doesnt consume as much chakra as you might think. either way, it gives onoki the advantage.

 

[Zexion~]

no offense but i think you are mixing up ultra heavyweight jutsu and his added rock-weight fist jutsu. the former makes anything he touches (with chakra, of course) so heavy it cannot move or be lifted, hence how it is a perfect counter for samehada's chakra absorbing abilities. the latter turns his fist into a block of stone that has enough power to smash a giant clam into pieces.

kisame's strongest attack, the super water shark bomb, is a decent counter for jinton, but obviously must consume a massive amount of kisame's limited chakra, and is thusly likely not spammable. conversely, jinton has a 360 degree effect, and is much more spammable, as onoki used it multiple times in a single day (first in his fight against mu, then in his fight against madara, with the mizukage fight in between). this means that either onoki has a huge chakra supply and great stamina, or jinton doesnt consume as much chakra as you might think. either way, it gives onoki the advantage.

Weren't they arguing about the later? .. if not my bad i did get them mixed up however i dont see how the former could provide any advantage for onoki

 

[Liath]

lol i dont even know..im too lazy to go check

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Never said untouchable, but able to dodge a sword ? I think yes.

Out of fairness you would think people would disregard back spasms as there is no debating he would die if he caught one in the middle of this fight

This would destroy it, if it shattered a giant clam summoning it can hurt the sword

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This would turn it onto rock, keep in mind the zetsu were absorbing chakra as Samehade does

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Carrying a meteor and they collide on top of him leaving his head bleeding and body injured, read the manga

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For those saying GSB, Onoki doesn't have a jutsu to match that but he has shown to utilize earth clones a lot when he is uncertain
There's no single counter for water dome either, if he were to survive there would have to be a sequence

By the way the op never said Kisame has Samehade in the first place which would mean no shark boy

Again. You have no proof that shows Onoki has nearly the same reaction speed to that of Bee's. Especially on feet. But it doesn't matter if he can or can not, Akatsuki Church has stated an interesting point that I didn't even think of. When Kisame swings Samehada at Onoki, the chakra he uses to take flight will be absorbed.

@ bold: You would think people would include in character conditions in order to decide on who wins a match-up accurately as possible. The OP could of very well stated Onoki is devoid of back spasms under the conditions, but did not.

In order for what you say to actually work out, Onoki would have to pin down Samehada on the ground. That isn't happening seeing that Kisame would simply dodge as he isn't stationary like the clam was. Furthermore, his strength alone doesn't produce a strong enough force to crush Samehada. He would then need to use his ultra-added weight technique, which isn't plausible; As A) Samehada wiill be absorbing his chakra, and B) Kisame can easily hit him with his super human strength to knock him off between the window needed for Onoki to use his jutsu.

So because it turned Zetsu into stone, it would do the same to Samehada? Zetsu has shown to be able to take on the form of whatever chakra it absorbs. Example being when it turned into Kisame, Neji, and who ever else in the Shinobi alliance. Can't be bothered with pulling up manga scans, as my internet is unusually really slow atm. Did Samehada gain lightning armor and get electrocuted when it absorbed Bee's raiton? Did Samehada burst into flames and get burnt when it absorbed Itachi's katon? No. So what makes you think Samehada will turn into stone if it absorbs Onokis Doton. Furthermore, he used the same technique on Muu and he didn't turn into stone. Thus, it isn't in the mechanics of the jutsu to do so.

So you believe that the two meteor landed on his head? So Onoki just crawled right out of being crushed by

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to stand right back up and continue fighting a few pages later? Please. That's ridiculous. Obviously Onoki escaped before the meteor hit the ground and took the damage dealt by the shock wave it created.

The OP says no restrictions, why would that not include something that was his nearly the entire manga. If the OP wanted it to be Kisame lacking Samehada, it would of said so under the restrictions.