Onoki vs Kisame

[DemonicAvenger]

Conditions: Both are alive and rested

Intel: Manga

Location: Kisame vs Guy round 1

Distance: 10 Meters

Restrictions: None ​

 

[Fodder#4]

Kisame's only issue or threat of defeat here is Jinton, a jutsu that Oonoki can use three times before being worn out.

I'd say Kisame mid diff. A Great Shark Bomb should remedy that issue. Or, if the fight lasts long enough, a Water Dome or any significant sized body of water where Kisame could fuse with Samehada and drastically increase his speed. Most likely enough to evade Jinton.

 

[NewKageism]

Kisame low-mid

 

[Bijuu13]

Idk if you're giving Samehade to Kisame but I give it to Onoki. Onoki's ninjutsu has the potential to outclass Kisame and his ability to fly and make things incredibly heavy make all the difference.

 

[NewKageism]

Idk if you're giving Samehade to Kisame but I give it to Onoki. Onoki's ninjutsu has the potential to outclass Kisame and his ability to fly and make things incredibly heavy make all the difference.

All Kisame would have to do is put water all the way in the sky like he did before. Onoki is not a fast flyer. Heavy is cool but you know Kisame is strong too right a tailess beast that what they called him

Onoki is old one punch or he can even drown him because he is always out of breath in battles.

 

[Bijuu13]

All Kisame would have to do is put water all the way in the sky like he did before. Onoki is not a fast flyer. Heavy is cool but you know Kisame is strong too right a tailess beast that what they called him

Onoki is old one punch or he can even drown him because he is always out of breath in battles.

Actually Onoki was stated to have become an even faster flyer with age
kisame has absolutely no speed advantage, the only time he has that advantage is when in the water dome.

Of course Kisame is strong but just because he is doesn't mean Onoki won't make his attempted movements useless due to weight.
Age isn't a problem either, Onoki showed great stamina against Madara.

One punch ? He took two meteors to the head
One punch is not going to decide this fight

 

[NewKageism]

[video=youtube;zvLlGGvScVg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLlGGvScVg[/video]Who stated Onoki faster with age as we can see he flies slowly. The water dome reaches up in the sky like we seen twice rembmer he has tons of stored engery and can move it as high as he want. With his sword merging Onoki is screwed his water bubble can be in motion now it is up to Onoki to do something and forgot his back plays a role

 

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Distance 10 meters?

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to Onoki. More importantly, it would knock Onoki on the floor. Kisame can then spew out an entire lake that will come crashing down on Onoki, then proceed to finish him off by any means necessary.

Jinton is countered by Great Shark Bullet.
Added-Weight technique is simply absorbed.

Kisame wins mid-difficulty. If the starting distance were further away which would guarantee Onoki the chance to take flight, I'd say Kisame wins with high-difficulty.

 

[Bijuu13]

[video=youtube;zvLlGGvScVg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLlGGvScVg[/video]Who stated Onoki faster with age as we can see he flies slowly. The water dome reaches up in the sky like we seen twice rembmer he has tons of stored engery and can move it as high as he want. With his sword merging Onoki is screwed his water bubble can be in motion now it is up to Onoki to do something and forgot his back plays a role

Deidara was the one who stated that Onoki improved with age. But they both have a 4 in speed

The sword is as good as a brick in this fight, it can't absorb dust release and it would be turned into a rock. Plus Onoki has fire release which it hates. So kisame can't absorb as much chakra without it or move as fast in water

Even if caught in the water dome he isn't defenseless. When bee was trapped he only had trouble because of his master and the summon. Otherwise he would've put up a better fight.
If Kisame swims close, like I said before, the jutsu Onoki uses can immobilize Kisame. As a possible escape he would make himself lighter to move faster up out the water, or heavy so he sinks down to the ground

Distance 10 meters?

Samehada's hilt can extend for a mid-range attack [

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] which will undoubtedly cause some

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to Onoki. More importantly, it would knock Onoki on the floor. Kisame can then spew out an entire lake that will come crashing down on Onoki, then proceed to finish him off by any means necessary.

Jinton is countered by Great Shark Bullet.
Added-Weight technique is simply absorbed.

Kisame wins mid-difficulty. If the starting distance were further away which would guarantee Onoki the chance to take flight, I'd say Kisame wins with high-difficulty.

Underestimating him severly. Knock him on the floor ? No
Great Shark Bullet can't be used as often as jinton.
Weight can't be absorbed.

 

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Underestimating him severly. Knock him on the floor ? No
Great Shark Bullet can't be used as often as jinton.
Weight can't be absorbed.

Good God.

Why don't you explain to me how getting hit by Samehada doesn't knock him on the ground.
That's horribly false. Onoki can't even use Jinton that many times. [

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] Furthermore, Kisame has the chakra reserves of a bijuu, which is far more then what Onoki has.
Added-weight technique is ninjutsu. Thus, it requires chakra. Samehada absorbs chakra.

Next time come at me with manga facts or don't come at me at all.

 

[NewKageism]

Deidara was the one who stated that Onoki improved with age. But they both have a 4 in speed

The sword is as good as a brick in this fight, it can't absorb dust release and it would be turned into a rock. Plus Onoki has fire release which it hates. So kisame can't absorb as much chakra without it or move as fast in water

Even if caught in the water dome he isn't defenseless. When bee was trapped he only had trouble because of his master and the summon. Otherwise he would've put up a better fight.
If Kisame swims close, like I said before, the jutsu Onoki uses can immobilize Kisame. As a possible escape he would make himself lighter to move faster up out the water, or heavy so he sinks down to the ground



Underestimating him severly. Knock him on the floor ? No
Great Shark Bullet can't be used as often as jinton.
Weight can't be absorbed.

The sword might not like fire but who is holding the sword a water user. We have yet to see Onoki use oil. Which oil is the only few thing that can burn in water.So that knock that out right there. What is dust to water anyways dust realase in water how far will that go similar to garra father vs sand no where. You talk like he is not fast without the sword. Okay wat if he does loose it he still has the shark sommo which he can fly into the air with GG Onaki

 

[Liath]

[video=youtube;zvLlGGvScVg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLlGGvScVg[/video]Who stated Onoki faster with age as we can see he flies slowly. The water dome reaches up in the sky like we seen twice rembmer he has tons of stored engery and can move it as high as he want. With his sword merging Onoki is screwed his water bubble can be in motion now it is up to Onoki to do something and forgot his back plays a role

uh nah watch the short fight between deidara and onoki..they fly up way above the clouds. deidara is on his bird and they were both equal speed.
honestly i like onoki but i wont overestimate him, this would be a very tough match. onoki could use stone golems like he did against madara to block shark bombs, and jinton is an instant kill if it hits. the only problem is samehada absorbing his chakra, but if kisame gets close enough to do that onoki can use stone clones and make one of them tag him with super heavyweight jutsu, making it impossible for him to move. i think onoki would win high diff imo

edit: his back problem is hard to factor in a battle...it would probably only occur in close combat when he is moving around a lot, and that might not be a problem if he uses stone clones beforehand.

 

[Bijuu13]

Good God.

Why don't you explain to me how getting hit by Samehada doesn't knock him on the ground.
That's horribly false. Onoki can't even use Jinton that many times. [

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] Furthermore, Kisame has the chakra reserves of a bijuu, which is far more then what Onoki has.
Added-weight technique is ninjutsu. Thus, it requires chakra. Samehada absorbs chakra.

Next time come at me with manga facts or don't come at me at all.

Explain to me why He can't just dodge it or block just like any other elite would
Come at you with "facts" yet you came on this thread assuming Onoki would just be knocked down and finished off because it's a 10m start

Samehade absorbs chakra, but can still be effected by the jutsu itself. Fact.

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Besides, he can turn it into a rock, the Zetsu were absorbing everyone's chakra at the summit and Onoki turned them into pebbles. The same could happen to Samehade.

Nice try cool guy.

The sword might not like fire but who is holding the sword a water user. We have yet to see Onoki use oil. Which oil is the only few thing that can burn in water.So that knock that out right there. What is dust to water anyways dust realase in water how far will that go similar to garra father vs sand no where. You talk like he is not fast without the sword. Okay wat if he does loose it he still has the shark sommo which he can fly into the air with GG Onaki

You on the other hand have made valid points. + rep

 

[Zexion~]

Onoki's too slow and old too keep up with a merged Kisame in the water dome .. if it even goes that far Kisame wins Mid-High diff

 

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Explain to me why He can't just dodge it or block just like any other elite would
Come at you with "facts" yet you came on this thread assuming Onoki would just be knocked down and finished off because it's a 10m start

Samehade absorbs chakra, but can still be effected by the jutsu itself. Fact.

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Besides, he can turn it into a rock, the Zetsu were absorbing everyone's chakra at the summit and Onoki turned them into pebbles. The same could happen to Samehade.

Nice try cool guy.

"Nice try cool guy", but you didn't disprove of anything I said.

Does Onoki have any evasive feats that would suggest that he would be able to dodge? And how exactly is Onoki blocking Samehada which is nearly 3 times his size that can effortlessly

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? Certainly not with his barehands. The 10m start puts Onoki in a severe disadvantage.

One, you didn't even provide the link to the correct manga scan. Two, Samehada didn't like the chakra taste of the Katon. He didn't get hit by the technique itself. Onoki used the same technique on Muu [

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] and no such pebble transformation occurred. It will be absorbed by Samehada and rendered useless. Also, this is under the assumption that Onoki is able to get close enough to Kisame to land a hand on Samehada which is much easier said then done.

 

[NewKageism]

uh nah watch the short fight between deidara and onoki..they fly up way above the clouds. deidara is on his bird and they were both equal speed.
honestly i like onoki but i wont overestimate him, this would be a very tough match. onoki could use stone golems like he did against madara to block shark bombs, and jinton is an instant kill if it hits. the only problem is samehada absorbing his chakra, but if kisame gets close enough to do that onoki can use stone clones and make one of them tag him with super heavyweight jutsu, making it impossible for him to move. i think onoki would win high diff imo

edit: his back problem is hard to factor in a battle...it would probably only occur in close combat when he is moving around a lot, and that might not be a problem if he uses stone clones beforehand.

Deidara was on his owl one of his slowest flying machines. Check Onoki out at 0329 slow and barely keeping up. He is fast maybe going upward but his lateral is more of a float. Look at Kisame vs Bee l Bee might not be as fast as A but he had the lighting increase speed so that tell you how fast Kisame is. Your rigt if he get hit by Jinton it is over but he has to be sitting for that to happen. Yes he has golems but can he make as much as Kisame sharks does he has the Charka storage. He is older he does not have the prime factor of Kisame at his battle grounds. Kisame fouught fast people from bee, Gai and smart people from Itachi.

 

[Liath]

Deidara was on his owl one of his slowest flying machines. Check Onoki out at 0329 slow and barely keeping up. He is fast maybe going upward but his lateral is more of a float. Look at Kisame vs Bee l Bee might not be as fast as A but he had the lighting increase speed so that tell you how fast Kisame is. Your rigt if he get hit by Jinton it is over but he has to be sitting for that to happen. Yes he has golems but can he make as much as Kisame sharks does he has the Charka storage. He is older he does not have the prime factor of Kisame at his battle grounds. Kisame fouught fast people from bee, Gai and smart people from Itachi.

where are you getting that the owl is one of his slowest flying machines? in his fight against gaara, deidara was flying on a regular bird and got caught by gaara's sand, but afterwards when he rode on his owl he was dodging the sand much more easily.

true, kisame does have mosntrous chakra supply but rendered useless if he cant move, i.e., super heavyweight jutsu. this technique will almost certainly (in my mind, at least ) hit, because kisame always goes in close to absorb chakra or attack, either with samehada or in his water dome, in which case onoki spams stone clones and one of them tags him.
also, jinton does not have to be a direct hit with the beam, as you can see in chapter 575, page ten. as you can see there, the trees and roots around the gokage in a 360 degree circle were completely destroyed, implying that he can manipulate the area of effect with less or more chakra. this tech would most likely be kisames downfall. lol dont get me wrong though im not saying i think this is a stomp, far from it actually

to those saying super heavyweight or super lightweight jutsus wouldnt work on samehada because samehada absorbs chakra, of course it absorbs it, that would be it's weakness in this case. these two techniques are meant to be dodged, not blocked. if you attempt to block it, you're hit with it. off topic: did kisame and itachi really fight? i thought that was filler or something.

 

[Bijuu13]

"Nice try cool guy", but you didn't disprove of anything I said.

Does Onoki have any evasive feats that would suggest that he would be able to dodge? And how exactly is Onoki blocking Samehada which is nearly 3 times his size that can effortlessly

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? Certainly not with his barehands. The 10m start puts Onoki in a severe disadvantage.

One, you didn't even provide the link to the correct manga scan. Two, Samehada didn't like the chakra taste of the Katon. He didn't get hit by the technique itself. Onoki used the same technique on Muu [

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] and no such pebble transformation occurred. It will be absorbed by Samehada and rendered useless. Also, this is under the assumption that Onoki is able to get close enough to Kisame to land a hand on Samehada which is much easier said then done.

I'm not responding because all of the things you wanted me to answer have rhetorical and obvious counters but if you're that desperate:
Nobody needs an "evasive feat" he has a 4 in speed and he's a ninja who isn't fodder. He can dodge.
Fist rock technique would block and destroy Samehade at once.

And a sword 3 times his side ? Onoki took 2 meteors that are a thousand times his size to the dome and lived, big whoop
And If your seriously suggesting he can't turn Samehade into a rock go reread chapter 466 .. pages 10-13 more specifically

I never said once said this would be easy for Onoki and I could accept it if he lost, you on the other hand stated Kisame wins mid difficulty like it's nothing

Kisame Is one of the strongest but I'm not dumb enough to treat Onoki like fodder and say he loses by getting "knocked down"

 

[GrayParadise]

Kisame.

If he's around that area, he can just make Water Dome. Oonoki has no speed or swimming feats, so he's bound to drown or get knocked around until he dies. And in water, Kisame can dodge all his Dust Rays.

 

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I'm not responding because all of the things you wanted me to answer have rhetorical and obvious counters but if you're that desperate:
Nobody needs an "evasive feat" he has a 4 in speed and he's a ninja who isn't fodder. He can dodge.
Fist rock technique would block and destroy Samehade at once.

And a sword 3 times his side ? Onoki took 2 meteors that are a thousand times his size to the dome and lived, big whoop
And If your seriously suggesting he can't turn Samehade into a rock go reread chapter 466 .. pages 10-13 more specifically

I never said once said this would be easy for Onoki and I could accept it if he lost, you on the other hand stated Kisame wins mid difficulty like it's nothing

Kisame Is one of the strongest but I'm not dumb enough to treat Onoki like fodder and say he loses by getting "knocked down"

So I'm guessing anybody who isn't fodder with a 4 in speed is deemed untouchable then, huh? I don't even know where you got that he has a "4" in speed, anyways. He is old, with back spasms. It doesn't seem plausible that he has the reaction speed of Bee's caliber which took to dodge Samehada.

I'm going to pretend you were joking with the fist rock technique destroying Samehada and ignore it.

I really hope you don't believe that the two meteor landed on Onoki's head. He would of been squashed to nothing if that were to be the case. That's all I got to say about that. Again, Samehada would absorb the chakra which will rid it of the rocks.

I said if Onoki is able to go airborne then it will require high-difficulty for Kisame to defeat him. If Kisame doesn't allow him to go airborne, given the 10m starting distance, Kisame would defeat him comfortably.