Onoki vs Jiraiya

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Location: Sannin showdown
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Conditions: Scenario 1, Jiraiya starts in Base. Scenario 2, he starts in SM.

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If jiraiya starts in base, then onoki stomps him. Period
 
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How does Jiraiya counter a conical Jinton from the sky?
 
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Phonas said:
How does Jiraiya counter a conical Jinton from the sky?
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Well, there's the argument that if he's standing on a frog summon, the toad can jump high and dodge the jinton.
 

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Onoki known as the third feared Tschukage. An extremely powerful Shinobi which the legendary Madara was forced to think he is the real problem. With his vast experience and arsenal, he has what it takes to beat down the legendary Sannin, Jiraiya.



Dealing with the Summons​
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Jiraiya might need to summon the 3 big toads to combat Onoki. One can assume due to their large size along with Jiraiya, they can together take down Onoki, but it will fail. No matter how big the size of an opponent Onoki is facing, its no problem for him at all. Deidara was shown to be so fast while flying with his bird, as such he was dodging Gaara's large scale of Sand. Onoki's as flying was shown to keep up with him [
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]. Toads were having a log of trouble trying to hit the Deva Pain [
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] [
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] [
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] as they failed. Onoki is a lot faster when flying. So they have no possible way of touching him. While flying, he can easily toss them around using his Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu. Onoki was capable of lifting a island turtle
[
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], and even a Meteor [
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]. The 3 toads will get tossed around with Onoki's physical strength, and eventually Onoki throws them brutally to the ground as resulting them disappearing. Even without method, he can combat them using his Doton Golem can repel them as it did to the 5 V3 Susanoo:

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I would like to also add that Onoki's golem is in fact much larger than the toads. Jiraiya and toads comparison can be shown here [
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]. Ay who is undoubtly a log bigger than average person was dwarfed by the golem [
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]. The golem will overwhelm the toads as it did to the 5 V3 Susanoo. Although, Onoki would overuse his Chakra, so my method of the flight and Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu still stands and defeats the 3 toads in short amount of time. They are non factor.



Dealing directly against Sage mode Jiraiya​

Onoki is well aware of Sage mode as he seen it through Naruto [
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] and he knows its from the toads since Naruto's SM eyes gives toad marking. He should be well aware of giant Rasengan Jiraiya has, as well as other Senjutsu techniques.

If both decided to combat Taijutsu, effortlessly, Jiraiya will be taken down in no time. You might get the idea of Jiraiya possessing the same physical strength, speed and frog Kata like Naruto, but as i said and Manga showed, Jiraiya does not have perfect mastery over Sage mode, meaning he lacks those toad SM combating skills. a punch from Onoki can in fact penetrate a human flesh [
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]. His speed while flying instantly took instantly Kabuto and Deidara even though they were Bunshin since they knew Onoki will be coming, but Jiraiya has no knowledge here, the same thing will be duplicated. Add his speed with with the Doton fist [
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] as well as the Doton added weight [
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], Jiraiya will get destroyed to dead meat. Taijutsu is on Onoki's side.

Regarding Jiraiya's arsenal such as his hair needles, Odama Rasengan, Katon, and combination of Pa&Ma techniqeus, these can be tanked by the Doton golem. As i have shown above, Doton golem was in fact combating 5 V3 Susanoo. Its defence can be argued as Jukai Kutan was destroyed through multiple Odama Rasengan, and it required the flower tree world to penetrate through Doton golem. Jiraiya's destructive techniques have no possible way to get through the golem. The golem was beating 5 V3 Susanoo. It is way above Jiraiya here. With the golem summoned, Onoki can proceed to beat Jiraiya through its giant hands [
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]. Ninjutsu here is useless as well in front of the might of Doton Golem.

Regarding Ma&Pa's Genjutsu, this will also be proven useless. It needs to actually be in range with Onoki, which in fact cannot for several reasons.

1-Onoki is long range fighter.
2-He can fly.

Since Jiraiya will be standing waiting for them to finish their Genjutsu, he is opened for Jinton.



How Onoki finishes off Jiraiya​

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The Jinton will finish this match up regardless. You will try to counter through Jiraiya stopping the prep time, but he cannot since his techniques are all close and mid range. Onoki is long range, therefore he can hit him with Jinton, but how can he do that. The Doton bunshin can be used as distractions [
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]. Based on their hand seals, they can use some of Onoki's techniques as clones are created from their Chakra. His tactic of finishing Jiraiya can performed with Doton Bunshin. As the real Onoki charges Jinton, a Doton bunshin can raise up the ground of where Jiraiya is standing at [
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] and Jinton to the face as Jiraiya is turned into molecular levels.

I would like to also add is Jiraiya has no possible way of avoiding the scale range which Jinton can cover. A normal Jinton can in fact take out the island turtle [
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]. The island toad is so large that it looked like landscape. Jiraiya hasn't shown speed feats suggesting he can avoid something like that.

Onoki is overall more powerful due to greater experience and stronger techniques.



[video=youtube;CHZtMNbrmWE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHZtMNbrmWE[/video]​
 
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RazorMack said:


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Onoki known as the third feared Tschukage. An extremely powerful Shinobi which the legendary Madara was forced to think he is the real problem. With his vast experience and arsenal, he has what it takes to beat down the legendary Sannin, Jiraiya.



Dealing with the Summons​
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Jiraiya might need to summon the 3 big toads to combat Onoki. One can assume due to their large size along with Jiraiya, they can together take down Onoki, but it will fail. No matter how big the size of an opponent Onoki is facing, its no problem for him at all. Deidara was shown to be so fast while flying with his bird, as such he was dodging Gaara's large scale of Sand. Onoki's as flying was shown to keep up with him [
You must be registered for see links
]. Toads were having a log of trouble trying to hit the Deva Pain [
You must be registered for see links
] [
You must be registered for see links
] [
You must be registered for see links
] as they failed. Onoki is a lot faster when flying. So they have no possible way of touching him. While flying, he can easily toss them around using his Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu. Onoki was capable of lifting a island turtle
[
You must be registered for see links
], and even a Meteor [
You must be registered for see links
]. The 3 toads will get tossed around with Onoki's physical strength, and eventually Onoki throws them brutally to the ground as resulting them disappearing. Even without method, he can combat them using his Doton Golem can repel them as it did to the 5 V3 Susanoo:

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I would like to also add that Onoki's golem is in fact much larger than the toads. Jiraiya and toads comparison can be shown here [
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]. Ay who is undoubtly a log bigger than average person was dwarfed by the golem [
You must be registered for see links
]. The golem will overwhelm the toads as it did to the 5 V3 Susanoo. Although, Onoki would overuse his Chakra, so my method of the flight and Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu still stands and defeats the 3 toads in short amount of time. They are non factor.



Dealing directly against Sage mode Jiraiya​

Onoki is well aware of Sage mode as he seen it through Naruto [
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] and he knows its from the toads since Naruto's SM eyes gives toad marking. He should be well aware of giant Rasengan Jiraiya has, as well as other Senjutsu techniques.

If both decided to combat Taijutsu, effortlessly, Jiraiya will be taken down in no time. You might get the idea of Jiraiya possessing the same physical strength, speed and frog Kata like Naruto, but as i said and Manga showed, Jiraiya does not have perfect mastery over Sage mode, meaning he lacks those toad SM combating skills. a punch from Onoki can in fact penetrate a human flesh [
You must be registered for see links
]. His speed while flying instantly took instantly Kabuto and Deidara even though they were Bunshin since they knew Onoki will be coming, but Jiraiya has no knowledge here, the same thing will be duplicated. Add his speed with with the Doton fist [
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] as well as the Doton added weight [
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], Jiraiya will get destroyed to dead meat. Taijutsu is on Onoki's side.

Regarding Jiraiya's arsenal such as his hair needles, Odama Rasengan, Katon, and combination of Pa&Ma techniqeus, these can be tanked by the Doton golem. As i have shown above, Doton golem was in fact combating 5 V3 Susanoo. Its defence can be argued as Jukai Kutan was destroyed through multiple Odama Rasengan, and it required the flower tree world to penetrate through Doton golem. Jiraiya's destructive techniques have no possible way to get through the golem. The golem was beating 5 V3 Susanoo. It is way above Jiraiya here. With the golem summoned, Onoki can proceed to beat Jiraiya through its giant hands [
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]. Ninjutsu here is useless as well in front of the might of Doton Golem.

Regarding Ma&Pa's Genjutsu, this will also be proven useless. It needs to actually be in range with Onoki, which in fact cannot for several reasons.

1-Onoki is long range fighter.
2-He can fly.

Since Jiraiya will be standing waiting for them to finish their Genjutsu, he is opened for Jinton.



How Onoki finishes off Jiraiya​

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The Jinton will finish this match up regardless. You will try to counter through Jiraiya stopping the prep time, but he cannot since his techniques are all close and mid range. Onoki is long range, therefore he can hit him with Jinton, but how can he do that. The Doton bunshin can be used as distractions [
You must be registered for see links
]. Based on their hand seals, they can use some of Onoki's techniques as clones are created from their Chakra. His tactic of finishing Jiraiya can performed with Doton Bunshin. As the real Onoki charges Jinton, a Doton bunshin can raise up the ground of where Jiraiya is standing at [
You must be registered for see links
] and Jinton to the face as Jiraiya is turned into molecular levels.

I would like to also add is Jiraiya has no possible way of avoiding the scale range which Jinton can cover. A normal Jinton can in fact take out the island turtle [
You must be registered for see links
]. The island toad is so large that it looked like landscape. Jiraiya hasn't shown speed feats suggesting he can avoid something like that.

Onoki is overall more powerful due to greater experience and stronger techniques.



[video=youtube;CHZtMNbrmWE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHZtMNbrmWE[/video]​
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You have convinced me. Good job.
 
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Yeah I don't agree with some of RazorMacks post.
 
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Is that a copy paste from Razor's debate with PC?
 
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Onoki always starts off with a Jinton. He's a pretty boring old man.
If Jiraiya starts off in base then Onoki will win with a big a$$ Jinton from the sky because it takes time to prep SM for Jiraiya, but if he starts off In SM then he might have a chance to win because Jinton can be dodged with SM sensing.
 

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It saves me the effort of doing writing all that. So in any Jiraiya vs Onoki, this will always be the post. Btw PC, do you want our debate to be judged? I opened it.
 
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Onoki, easily. All of the Summons are worn down by increasing their weight as Onoki did to Muu and Susano'o clone - all he has to do is touch them. The former literally sunk into the ground. Onoki can take to air and fly as high as he can. Him and Deidara were shown to be flying alongside the clouds. They were at least a couple of thousand feet above the ground. Unless anyone here believes that the Frogs can jump that high.

The Frog Song was literally used at point-blank range to make it effective. All the paths could listen to it, and it took a lot of time to prepare as well. Onoki, if he is at a closer range can simply increase the distance, as Jiraiya had to manipulate the blindness of one of the paths, used Katon on another one, and lastly swamp of the underworld on the last as distractions to make it affective. In fact, Ma and Pa kept using it repeatedly to make it effective. Lastly, Jinton can be dodged, as Madara was shown to move back to avoid a much larger Jinton fueled by Tsunade - he did lost a part of his body though - but by using so many techs, I doubt Jiraiya would be left with much, and Frog Song would be suicide as the sage frogs cannot aid in anything during this period and it requires a massive chakra as well. If he doesn't use it, he lasts longer. If he does, then it ends fairly quickly.

The rest of his techniques are tanked by Golem summons, which are pretty fast. He wins quite easily.
 
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RazorMack said:


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Onoki known as the third feared Tschukage. An extremely powerful Shinobi which the legendary Madara was forced to think he is the real problem. With his vast experience and arsenal, he has what it takes to beat down the legendary Sannin, Jiraiya.



Dealing with the Summons​
You must be registered for see images

Jiraiya might need to summon the 3 big toads to combat Onoki. One can assume due to their large size along with Jiraiya, they can together take down Onoki, but it will fail. No matter how big the size of an opponent Onoki is facing, its no problem for him at all. Deidara was shown to be so fast while flying with his bird, as such he was dodging Gaara's large scale of Sand. Onoki's as flying was shown to keep up with him [
You must be registered for see links
]. Toads were having a log of trouble trying to hit the Deva Pain [
You must be registered for see links
] [
You must be registered for see links
] [
You must be registered for see links
] as they failed. Onoki is a lot faster when flying. So they have no possible way of touching him. While flying, he can easily toss them around using his Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu. Onoki was capable of lifting a island turtle
[
You must be registered for see links
], and even a Meteor [
You must be registered for see links
]. The 3 toads will get tossed around with Onoki's physical strength, and eventually Onoki throws them brutally to the ground as resulting them disappearing. Even without method, he can combat them using his Doton Golem can repel them as it did to the 5 V3 Susanoo:

You must be registered for see images

I would like to also add that Onoki's golem is in fact much larger than the toads. Jiraiya and toads comparison can be shown here [
You must be registered for see links
]. Ay who is undoubtly a log bigger than average person was dwarfed by the golem [
You must be registered for see links
]. The golem will overwhelm the toads as it did to the 5 V3 Susanoo. Although, Onoki would overuse his Chakra, so my method of the flight and Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu still stands and defeats the 3 toads in short amount of time. They are non factor.



Dealing directly against Sage mode Jiraiya​

Onoki is well aware of Sage mode as he seen it through Naruto [
You must be registered for see links
] and he knows its from the toads since Naruto's SM eyes gives toad marking. He should be well aware of giant Rasengan Jiraiya has, as well as other Senjutsu techniques.

If both decided to combat Taijutsu, effortlessly, Jiraiya will be taken down in no time. You might get the idea of Jiraiya possessing the same physical strength, speed and frog Kata like Naruto, but as i said and Manga showed, Jiraiya does not have perfect mastery over Sage mode, meaning he lacks those toad SM combating skills. a punch from Onoki can in fact penetrate a human flesh [
You must be registered for see links
]. His speed while flying instantly took instantly Kabuto and Deidara even though they were Bunshin since they knew Onoki will be coming, but Jiraiya has no knowledge here, the same thing will be duplicated. Add his speed with with the Doton fist [
You must be registered for see links
] as well as the Doton added weight [
You must be registered for see links
], Jiraiya will get destroyed to dead meat. Taijutsu is on Onoki's side.

Regarding Jiraiya's arsenal such as his hair needles, Odama Rasengan, Katon, and combination of Pa&Ma techniqeus, these can be tanked by the Doton golem. As i have shown above, Doton golem was in fact combating 5 V3 Susanoo. Its defence can be argued as Jukai Kutan was destroyed through multiple Odama Rasengan, and it required the flower tree world to penetrate through Doton golem. Jiraiya's destructive techniques have no possible way to get through the golem. The golem was beating 5 V3 Susanoo. It is way above Jiraiya here. With the golem summoned, Onoki can proceed to beat Jiraiya through its giant hands [
You must be registered for see links
]. Ninjutsu here is useless as well in front of the might of Doton Golem.

Regarding Ma&Pa's Genjutsu, this will also be proven useless. It needs to actually be in range with Onoki, which in fact cannot for several reasons.

1-Onoki is long range fighter.
2-He can fly.

Since Jiraiya will be standing waiting for them to finish their Genjutsu, he is opened for Jinton.



How Onoki finishes off Jiraiya​

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The Jinton will finish this match up regardless. You will try to counter through Jiraiya stopping the prep time, but he cannot since his techniques are all close and mid range. Onoki is long range, therefore he can hit him with Jinton, but how can he do that. The Doton bunshin can be used as distractions [
You must be registered for see links
]. Based on their hand seals, they can use some of Onoki's techniques as clones are created from their Chakra. His tactic of finishing Jiraiya can performed with Doton Bunshin. As the real Onoki charges Jinton, a Doton bunshin can raise up the ground of where Jiraiya is standing at [
You must be registered for see links
] and Jinton to the face as Jiraiya is turned into molecular levels.

I would like to also add is Jiraiya has no possible way of avoiding the scale range which Jinton can cover. A normal Jinton can in fact take out the island turtle [
You must be registered for see links
]. The island toad is so large that it looked like landscape. Jiraiya hasn't shown speed feats suggesting he can avoid something like that.

Onoki is overall more powerful due to greater experience and stronger techniques.



[video=youtube;CHZtMNbrmWE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHZtMNbrmWE[/video]​
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This is tight, legit read. Kind of saddens me though, because I thought I was the first to come up with this matchup and it turns out it's already been debated :(
 
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RazorMack said:


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Onoki known as the third feared Tschukage. An extremely powerful Shinobi which the legendary Madara was forced to think he is the real problem. With his vast experience and arsenal, he has what it takes to beat down the legendary Sannin, Jiraiya.



Dealing with the Summons​
You must be registered for see images

Jiraiya might need to summon the 3 big toads to combat Onoki. One can assume due to their large size along with Jiraiya, they can together take down Onoki, but it will fail. No matter how big the size of an opponent Onoki is facing, its no problem for him at all. Deidara was shown to be so fast while flying with his bird, as such he was dodging Gaara's large scale of Sand. Onoki's as flying was shown to keep up with him [
You must be registered for see links
]. Toads were having a log of trouble trying to hit the Deva Pain [
You must be registered for see links
] [
You must be registered for see links
] [
You must be registered for see links
] as they failed. Onoki is a lot faster when flying. So they have no possible way of touching him. While flying, he can easily toss them around using his Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu. Onoki was capable of lifting a island turtle
[
You must be registered for see links
], and even a Meteor [
You must be registered for see links
]. The 3 toads will get tossed around with Onoki's physical strength, and eventually Onoki throws them brutally to the ground as resulting them disappearing. Even without method, he can combat them using his Doton Golem can repel them as it did to the 5 V3 Susanoo:

You must be registered for see images

I would like to also add that Onoki's golem is in fact much larger than the toads. Jiraiya and toads comparison can be shown here [
You must be registered for see links
]. Ay who is undoubtly a log bigger than average person was dwarfed by the golem [
You must be registered for see links
]. The golem will overwhelm the toads as it did to the 5 V3 Susanoo. Although, Onoki would overuse his Chakra, so my method of the flight and Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu still stands and defeats the 3 toads in short amount of time. They are non factor.



Dealing directly against Sage mode Jiraiya​

Onoki is well aware of Sage mode as he seen it through Naruto [
You must be registered for see links
] and he knows its from the toads since Naruto's SM eyes gives toad marking. He should be well aware of giant Rasengan Jiraiya has, as well as other Senjutsu techniques.

If both decided to combat Taijutsu, effortlessly, Jiraiya will be taken down in no time. You might get the idea of Jiraiya possessing the same physical strength, speed and frog Kata like Naruto, but as i said and Manga showed, Jiraiya does not have perfect mastery over Sage mode, meaning he lacks those toad SM combating skills. a punch from Onoki can in fact penetrate a human flesh [
You must be registered for see links
]. His speed while flying instantly took instantly Kabuto and Deidara even though they were Bunshin since they knew Onoki will be coming, but Jiraiya has no knowledge here, the same thing will be duplicated. Add his speed with with the Doton fist [
You must be registered for see links
] as well as the Doton added weight [
You must be registered for see links
], Jiraiya will get destroyed to dead meat. Taijutsu is on Onoki's side.

Regarding Jiraiya's arsenal such as his hair needles, Odama Rasengan, Katon, and combination of Pa&Ma techniqeus, these can be tanked by the Doton golem. As i have shown above, Doton golem was in fact combating 5 V3 Susanoo. Its defence can be argued as Jukai Kutan was destroyed through multiple Odama Rasengan, and it required the flower tree world to penetrate through Doton golem. Jiraiya's destructive techniques have no possible way to get through the golem. The golem was beating 5 V3 Susanoo. It is way above Jiraiya here. With the golem summoned, Onoki can proceed to beat Jiraiya through its giant hands [
You must be registered for see links
]. Ninjutsu here is useless as well in front of the might of Doton Golem.

Regarding Ma&Pa's Genjutsu, this will also be proven useless. It needs to actually be in range with Onoki, which in fact cannot for several reasons.

1-Onoki is long range fighter.
2-He can fly.

Since Jiraiya will be standing waiting for them to finish their Genjutsu, he is opened for Jinton.



How Onoki finishes off Jiraiya​

You must be registered for see images

The Jinton will finish this match up regardless. You will try to counter through Jiraiya stopping the prep time, but he cannot since his techniques are all close and mid range. Onoki is long range, therefore he can hit him with Jinton, but how can he do that. The Doton bunshin can be used as distractions [
You must be registered for see links
]. Based on their hand seals, they can use some of Onoki's techniques as clones are created from their Chakra. His tactic of finishing Jiraiya can performed with Doton Bunshin. As the real Onoki charges Jinton, a Doton bunshin can raise up the ground of where Jiraiya is standing at [
You must be registered for see links
] and Jinton to the face as Jiraiya is turned into molecular levels.

I would like to also add is Jiraiya has no possible way of avoiding the scale range which Jinton can cover. A normal Jinton can in fact take out the island turtle [
You must be registered for see links
]. The island toad is so large that it looked like landscape. Jiraiya hasn't shown speed feats suggesting he can avoid something like that.

Onoki is overall more powerful due to greater experience and stronger techniques.



[video=youtube;CHZtMNbrmWE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHZtMNbrmWE[/video]​
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1) golem sinks after Jiriya uses his swamp
2) deva's speed wasn't the issue, it was his tiny size. If they'd use their elements they'd finish him as it covers a larger mass.
3) no matter how high onoki flies, a toad can drop on top of him, unless you believe he can react to s/t
4) onoki hasn't shown reaction speed to combat multiple long distance attacks, as you seem to think they'd attack one at a time. Toads also have sm techniques.
 
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