There's a difference between blow up and kill. Onoki was going to blow up the whole Island with his Conical one. Maybe it can't destroy the whole CT itself but it should be pretty close given the fact that his Cubical version covers a larger area normally.
Tsunade given him chakra because he was low on chakra. The chakra didn't enhance the use of technique
I've never agreed with that scan myself. I personally feel like the meaning behind it was that Oonoki would destroy the foundation of the island, or if he realized that it was a living creature kill it. But, the Turtle Island is huge and Oonoki's largest Jinton couldn't completely obliterate it. Not to mention IIRC, it doesn't contain an explosive effect afterwards to give it more AoE.
OT: A sizable Jinton destroys. It doesn't need to break through the entire thing, just needs to cut into the center and destroy the black orb. As long as it is powerful enough to last that long, I don't see how Chibaku Tensei endures.
There's a difference between blow up and kill. Onoki was going to blow up the whole Island with his Conical one. Maybe it can't destroy the whole CT itself but it should be pretty close given the fact that his Cubical version covers a larger area normally.
Tsunade given him chakra because he was low on chakra. The chakra didn't enhance the use of technique
and how did Onki’s body gaurd know that onki was going to use island sized jinton, it looked the same as when he uses normal jinton
yes, he was low on chakra, but that doesn't mean he can use such a big jinton on his own
tusonade’s chakra enabled him to make bigger jinton just like kiuybi chakra enabled kakashi to make bigger kamui and warp hachibi twice
I've never agreed with that scan myself. I personally feel like the meaning behind it was that Oonoki would destroy the foundation of the island, or if he realized that it was a living creature kill it. But, the Turtle Island is huge and Oonoki's largest Jinton couldn't completely obliterate it. Not to mention IIRC, it doesn't contain an explosive effect afterwards to give it more AoE.
OT: A sizable Jinton destroys. It doesn't need to break through the entire thing, just needs to cut into the center and destroy the black orb. As long as it is powerful enough to last that long, I don't see how Chibaku Tensei endures.
the biggest conical one oonoki ever made couldnʻt even erase a most of flower tree world, and his conical one combined with muuʻs cylinder only did
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his conical jinton destroying the entire island is false, what was probably meant was that it would have killed the island since itʻs a living thing.
also, no oonoki doesnʻt destroy chibaku tensei if itʻs formed or if itʻs at the point where naruto, bee and itachi had to fire their strongest attacks to bust it.
I'm iffy on that part because according to the Viz, Akatsuchi exclaimed that Onoki could have "[blown] up" the entire island, with specific emphasis on the singularity of the island and the Jinton as a single unit: insinuating that it would encompass everything. In addition, Muu even goes on to confidently state that numbers don't mean anything to him, which sort of substantiates the argument that the Jinton can be formed at an island radius level.
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Then we have the Shuriken jutsu comparison proposed by Hiruzen regarding how Jinton can mold into various shapes that the user desires, because of its multiple elemental makeup: in a similar fashion to how Sasori's Iron Sand Puppet can take the form of whatever he wishes.
I'm iffy on that part because according to the Viz, Akatsuchi exclaimed that Onoki could have "[blown] up" the entire island, with specific emphasis on the singularity of the island and the Jinton as a single unit: insinuating that it would encompass everything. In addition, Muu even goes on to confidently state that numbers don't mean anything to him, which sort of substantiates the argument that the Jinton can be formed at an island radius level.
well first off, jinton doesnʻt blow things up right, it disintegrates them, so doubt the quote was to be taken literally.
Second, weʻve seen muu and oonokiʻs jinton encompass a massive AoE and used in a fashion that would wipe out enormous numbers very quickly w/o having to blow jinton up to evaporating an entire island despite even its greatest feats suggesting nothing of such scale.
Then we have the Shuriken jutsu comparison proposed by Hiruzen regarding how Jinton can mold into various shapes that the user desires, because of its multiple elemental makeup: in a similar fashion to how Sasori's Iron Sand Puppet can take the form of whatever he wishes.
donʻt see what this has to do with jinton blowing up an island. hiruzen is talking about the shapes oonoki can form, not the size of those shapes.
If the manga makes a hyperbole statement, the viz scan is going to give you a hyperbole statement as well. even if we were to combine the power of all the jintons weʻve seen in the manga, they wouldnʻt even blow up turtle island.
Due to the fact that Naruto English translators have the propensity to make semantic based errors, the phrase "blow up" was used as a lack of a better term. Still, when we look up the denotation of the phrase "blow up," we find that its meaning is synonymous to Jinton's action of atomically disintegrating, since Jintons essentially extirpate on the molecular level just like Bijuu Damas:
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lanakui8 said:
Second, weʻve seen muu and oonokiʻs jinton encompass a massive AoE and used in a fashion that would wipe out enormous numbers very quickly w/o having to blow jinton up to evaporating an entire island despite even its greatest feats suggesting nothing of such scale.
That doesn't necessarily mean that their encompassing feats are restricted to the width that they've exhibited, when nothing suggests that the technique even has a common sensical, limited AoE range. Not trying to applicate a no limits fallacy here, but I find Akatsuchi's statement along with the jutsus feats to be quite odd and ambiguous.
Well of course the Jintons we have strictly seen won't wholly evaporate the Turtle Island, but that's because we haven't seen the said jutsus probable utmost potential in terms of size (of course). However, the Jintons we have seen would indefinitely pulverize the portions of the island that they come in contact with, or else Aktasuchi wouldn't have expressed impassioned, perspiration-invoking angst towards Onoki's determination to wipe out the island length Manda II.
lanakui8 said:
donʻt see what this has to do with jinton blowing up an island. hiruzen is talking about the shapes oonoki can form, not the size of those shapes.
If the manga makes a hyperbole statement, the viz scan is going to give you a hyperbole statement as well. even if we were to combine the power of all the jintons weʻve seen in the manga, they wouldnʻt even blow up turtle island.
I was making an attempt to correlate that scan with what happened to Sasuke's encounter with the Jinton. When Onoki used the cubical Jinton, it initially encapsulated Sasuke and then proceeded in trying to pulverize before Obito came to the rescue. If the Jinton actually could vaporize Turtle Island, Onoki would have to contrive a Jinton large enough to fit Turtle Island in its cubical container.
Thats what I meant. I didn't think it could literally vaporize a whole CT because Onoki doesn't have the stamina to do that on his own (and probably even with help either) but he can shoot a jinton through its core, thus making everything else crumble apart so I guess you can count that as "destroying" it. At the end of the day CT is just super highly compressed debris into a huge sphere in the sky but that doesn't change the fact that the debris its made of are still just rock fragments, dirt, and trees and it does not have the composition to withstand Jinton. It slices through it like cake.
